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#1 MikePinball

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Posted 03 June 2020 - 06:17 AM

My original impetus for creating the Pinscape AIO product was to provide a ready-made, guaranteed tested Pinscape solution that allowed people to get up and running fast and to provide a "gold standard" solution that was much better than any competition. I have now sold 60 Pinscape AIO boards. Some people have even upgraded their older systems to the AIO.

 

Not satisfied with just the AIO, I created several other products, the success of which has actually astonished me. Everything from the innovative Rotary encoder to the Flipper RGB boards and clear buttons that filled a gap with a ready-made solution. I recently got started with a 3D printer, initially for my own cabinet, and then to make products. I introduced the Plunger kit a month ago and have already sold more than 30 which is essentially one a day since the announcement. Who knew there was such a demand? And I use all my products in my own wide-body Pinball cabinet.

 

I strive for quality products that are thoroughly tested. Where possible my products are integrated so there is very little for you to do except install, configure, and play pinball. For example the plunger kit comes with #10 screws for the cabinet and a lighter spring to replace the usual heavier spring used to move a steel ball.

 

While I will sometimes take pre-orders, I usually only allow people to purchase from stock and my page is very clear about my policies and what products I have, their user guides, number sold, and number in stock.

 

I started in this hobby barely 18 months ago. I knew almost straightaway that I wanted to use the Pinscape software in my cabinet. I even wrote-up my rationale.

 

Like many new users, I wanted to start small and experiment. After playing on my PC and dual monitors, I initiated the build of my Mikrocontroller cabinet using the KL25Z with Pinscape. I experienced the “joys” of plugging Dupont jumper cables into header pins and crimping. After creating a MOSFET power board with fuses, I realized I really needed a way to physically mount the KL25Z and provide other types of outputs and so I created my own version of the Pinscape main board.

 

I have had several people approach me who weren’t ready for the Pinscape AIO; they just needed a way to use the KL25Z to provide button inputs, nudge, plunger, and perhaps light some LED buttons. Many people have used a bare KL25Z and wired in their own stuff such as MOSFET boards etc. Some people will be quite happy with this and never need more.

 

This got me thinking about a concept I'm calling "Pinscape Lite". It would allow people to get started quicker in this hobby with a smaller initial cost. The Pinscape Lite fits on a 4” square board (100mm x 100mm) and has the following features:

  • Integrated KL25Z controller with Pinscape software and nudge capability
  • 24 button inputs
  • Plunger controller options (all Pinscape supported variations)
  • 16 small LED/opto 20mA PWM LED outputs (flipper RGB LEDs, other LED buttons)
  • 4 opto-isolated PWM outputs for motors (speed control), large LED devices like beacons and strobes as well as all other kinds of devices such as solenoids and contractors
  • 8 opto-isolated digital outputs (on/off) for solenoids and contactors
  • Pluggable screw connectors (as used in my other products)
  • Input and Plunger buttons in the same layout as the Pinscape AIO

The Pinscape Lite is not expandable. Instead I am thinking about a “trade-up” solution where you return your Pinscape Lite to me (USA only) and I give you a discount on a new Pinscape AIO. Some people will never want or need to do this. The trade-up discount will not apply if you return a non-functioning board.

 

The pricing is still provisional. I am thinking that the Pinscape Lite will be $80. A returned and functional Pinscape Lite has a discount of $25 on the price of a new Pinscape AIO. I will carry over the KL25Z from the returned Pinscape Lite board to the Pinscape AIO and update the configuration.

 

Let me know what you think about this idea and any suggestions. I am also open to other product ideas.

 

Edit: Clarification on PWM capable outputs (20 total) and opto-isolated outputs.


Edited by MikePinball, 11 August 2020 - 04:13 AM.

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#2 ludovids

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Posted 03 June 2020 - 06:01 PM

If I had to do it over again, this is definitely the kind of product I would be looking for.


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Posted 03 June 2020 - 08:38 PM

Agree with Ludovids on this one.


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Posted 04 June 2020 - 02:38 PM

Take my money. When can I have one in hand? 



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Posted 04 June 2020 - 04:54 PM

This is a tremendous solution and I would have jumped at this immediately for my setup.

 

I currently have an AIO and the only thing keeping me from building a mini cab for my kids is the expense of another Pinscape setup. This would tip the scales for me, for sure.

 

Thanks for all of your product offerings. They are excellent.



#6 MikePinball

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Posted 04 June 2020 - 05:21 PM

Take my money. When can I have one in hand? 

At this point I am just floating the idea and gauging the interest. Assuming I started in earnest on this project, it would be a couple of months.


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Posted 04 June 2020 - 10:38 PM

 

Take my money. When can I have one in hand? 

At this point I am just floating the idea and gauging the interest. Assuming I started in earnest on this project, it would be a couple of months.

 

 

I'll keep watching. I have a flatpack along with the plunger kit coming from Virtuapin once he gets to my order. I also want a rotary encoder and fuse board. This pinball project price has blown through the roof and my better half is starting to let her thoughts be known. I need to cool my jets for a little bit. 



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Posted 04 June 2020 - 11:35 PM

I'm itching to build my first VP cabinet. I will definitely buy one.

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Posted 05 June 2020 - 12:40 AM

I'm definitely interested, no rush on my part. My pin stubby is a next winter project

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Posted 12 June 2020 - 11:23 PM

Looks like a good solution, but I would want all the PWM that the kl25Z has, not just 5. You need 6 just for the RGB of the flippers and magnasave, plus two more for the gear motor and shaker.  the lastly would want the last two for the start and launch LED, that the 10 total that the KL25Z can output.


Edited by randyre, 12 June 2020 - 11:28 PM.


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Posted 13 June 2020 - 02:49 AM

Looks like a good solution, but I would want all the PWM that the kl25Z has, not just 5. You need 6 just for the RGB of the flippers and magnasave, plus two more for the gear motor and shaker.  the lastly would want the last two for the start and launch LED, that the 10 total that the KL25Z can output.

I added a clarification. The 16 small/opto LED outputs are all PWM capable (just like in larger Pinscapes) and can be used for flipper RGB buttons, start, launch ball etc.. In addition you have 4 other high current PWM outputs with MOSFETs that can be used for motor control or for other types of devices that need more power.


Edited by MikePinball, 13 June 2020 - 02:53 AM.

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Posted 13 June 2020 - 02:55 AM

 

Looks like a good solution, but I would want all the PWM that the kl25Z has, not just 5. You need 6 just for the RGB of the flippers and magnasave, plus two more for the gear motor and shaker.  the lastly would want the last two for the start and launch LED, that the 10 total that the KL25Z can output.

I added a clarification. The 16 small/opto LED outputs are all PWM capable (just like in larger Pinscapes) and can be used for flipper RGB buttons, start, launch ball etc.. In addition you have 4 other PWM outputs with MOSFETs that can be used for motor control or for other types of large amperage devices.

 

That's great, so the additional 4 PWM would not need additional Optocouplers or other relays/isolation? If so that would be great, would save a bunch of time and additional wiring and sourcing, especially since the KL25Z is so sensitive to higher voltage as compared to an Arduino.



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Posted 13 June 2020 - 04:56 AM

That's great, so the additional 4 PWM would not need additional Optocouplers or other relays/isolation? If so that would be great, would save a bunch of time and additional wiring and sourcing, especially since the KL25Z is so sensitive to higher voltage as compared to an Arduino.


 

 

Correct. All 12 MOSFET outputs (4 PWM, 8 on/off) have builtin opto-couplers and are driven from KL25Z pins. The 16 small LED/opto outputs are driven from a TLC5940.


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Posted 14 June 2020 - 08:06 PM

I’d rather not go with a non-upgradable solution as it’s fully against the concept of the Pinscape ecosystem as far as I can tell.
But on business side it’s a good idea to charge people for a product, buy it back later for a discounted price or exchange it for a plus against a bigger board and sell the used one as new to other customers!!! That’s real American spirit, I love those ideas.

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Posted 14 June 2020 - 09:00 PM

So do you have an estimate of the price?



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Posted 14 June 2020 - 09:05 PM

So do you have an estimate of the price?

 

Yes it is in the first append - $80. But this is all provisional as I have to complete the design and prototype. I just wanted to float the idea initially and it seems that it is getting a good reaction. I'm thinking that $80 would be a maximum including the KL25Z.
 


Edited by MikePinball, 14 August 2020 - 06:40 AM.

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Posted 15 June 2020 - 04:05 PM

Put me down for one of the first ones, happy to beta test as well.

 

I'm just starting to build some systems for a few local people and if this starts to take off and I build more than 2-3 a year I'll need a good basic easy to install and maintain component like this.



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Posted 24 August 2020 - 02:08 AM

This sounds perfect, I'm aiming to build a mini before undergoing a full size build.







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