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[pinballwizard234]

I really want to play some of the Spike and Spike 2 games on Visual Pinball but can't because VPinMAME can't emulate them, or even Jersey Jack or American Pinball for that matter.

[wiesshund]

I really want to play some of the Spike and Spike 2 games on Visual Pinball but can't because VPinMAME can't emulate them, or even Jersey Jack or American Pinball for that matter.

1) VPinMAME will NEVER emulate jersey jack
At jersey jack's specific request that NONE of their machine be emulated EVER

Respect his wishes, and those of any other manufacturer.

No one on this site will release a Jersey Jack table in any form, nor should any other site.

 

 

2) VPinMAME will not emulate any system that is still in commercial use and a source of revenue for the manufacturer.

Spike 2 is Sterns current hardware, we dont emulate something they are still making as a source of revenue.

Spike 1 may have a couple machines still in circulation.

 

If you want to play those games, drop some coins in a real one

 

VPX's general mission is NOT to screw up the livelyhood of pinball manufacturers

[Mitchell]

Just like some arcade games won't be added to MAME. There is a ton of others to play. Play what the vpm already have running. 

Edited by Mitchell, 31 October 2023 - 06:40 PM.

[Tesla]

Just like some arcade games won't be added to MAME. There is a ton of others to play. Play what the vpm already have running. 

 

Sorry. I know off-topic but since you mentioned it ...

 

Is there a list of popular retro 80-90's arcade games/roms that are excluded from recent MAME? 

[wiesshund]

 

Just like some arcade games won't be added to MAME. There is a ton of others to play. Play what the vpm already have running. 

 

Sorry. I know off-topic but since you mentioned it ...

 

Is there a list of popular retro 80-90's arcade games/roms that are excluded from recent MAME? 

 

80's 90's?

 

mostly are for reasons of, it just does not work, like some electronic/mechanical stuff

or no dump to work with.

 

post 90's stuff? yes for legal reasons

though i do not know that there is a user friendly list, you'd have to start wading through dev stuff

[toxie]

I really want to play some of the Spike and Spike 2 games on Visual Pinball but can't because VPinMAME can't emulate them, or even Jersey Jack or American Pinball for that matter.

Spike and Spike 2 should be possible to emulate (technically) in PinMAME, BUT we miss any volunteers with enough spare time to implement them 'on top' of the existing SAM code.

So feel free to join the development!

 

With JJP or AP its a different story. Such complex systems should rather go the Pin2K-route and use a VM-approach based on something like qemu. PinMAMEs emulation scheme would be too slow for that.

 

Then there are the mentioned above non-technical things, too, of course.

Edited by toxie, 01 November 2023 - 09:32 AM.

[wiesshund]

Spike and Spike 2 should be possible to emulate (technically) in PinMAME, BUT we miss any volunteers with enough spare time to implement them 'on top' of the existing SAM code.

 

 

 

With JJP or AP its a different story. Such complex systems should rather go the Pin2K-route and use a VM-approach based on something like qemu. PinMAMEs emulation scheme would be too slow for that.

 

 

JJP at least is a simple story
Jack said NO, and NO means NO
 

Spike 2 is of course presently very much in use.

It iwould be for the most part, a linux like emulation?
VPinMAME could do that i would imagine, since MAME can?
Though i can not comment as for efficiency? never tried to bench a MAME VM.

But Stern is still using it quite actively.

Think they may be just a wee bit upset at us?

 

Spike 1 i think is also linux type?

Though Stern did still have some spike 1 things still for sale

so not sure how the respectful time window works there?

 

Everything VPM emulates is either very much defunt

Or, like in the case of like Stern ROMs, is forever beyond being put into production again

[Joe]

 

I really want to play some of the Spike and Spike 2 games on Visual Pinball but can't because VPinMAME can't emulate them, or even Jersey Jack or American Pinball for that matter.

Spike and Spike 2 should be possible to emulate (technically) in PinMAME, BUT we miss any volunteers with enough spare time to implement them 'on top' of the existing SAM code.

So feel free to join the development!

 

With JJP or AP its a different story. Such complex systems should rather go the Pin2K-route and use a VM-approach based on something like qemu. PinMAMEs emulation scheme would be too slow for that.

 

Then there are the mentioned above non-technical things, too, of course.

 

spike 1 and spike 2 have some hardware overlap. And different from sam.

 

Others are useing PC hardware (now someone may be able to get the code to talk to an fake control boards and have the fake boards linked to VP)

More likely on Linux then windows with that.

 

With JJP may just need to bypass the dongle and fake the control boards and then load the full OS image on an PC or VM and the video out will take over the full PC video out. Running your pinball table may need to be on an differnt VM / system.

 

Spike and Spike 2 should be possible to emulate (technically) in PinMAME, BUT we miss any volunteers with enough spare time to implement them 'on top' of the existing SAM code.

 

 

 

With JJP or AP its a different story. Such complex systems should rather go the Pin2K-route and use a VM-approach based on something like qemu. PinMAMEs emulation scheme would be too slow for that.

 

 

JJP at least is a simple story
Jack said NO, and NO means NO
 

Spike 2 is of course presently very much in use.

It iwould be for the most part, a linux like emulation?
VPinMAME could do that i would imagine, since MAME can?
Though i can not comment as for efficiency? never tried to bench a MAME VM.

But Stern is still using it quite actively.

Think they may be just a wee bit upset at us?

 

Spike 1 i think is also linux type?

Though Stern did still have some spike 1 things still for sale

so not sure how the respectful time window works there?

 

Everything VPM emulates is either very much defunt

Or, like in the case of like Stern ROMs, is forever beyond being put into production again

 

emulation of all of the node boards will be needed. Now as for right to repair emulation of the spike 1 hardware may be needed.

 

Now will spike 2.5 or 3.0 (that may just be an cpu card upgrade) be able to run older spike 2 games? Spike 1 has DMD and spike 2 dropped the DMD out.
 

 

Spike 2 also has the online part and the code has code modding lockouts in it.

Edited by Joe, 01 November 2023 - 11:17 PM.

[wiesshund]

 

With JJP may just need to bypass the dongle and fake the control boards and then load the full OS image on an PC or VM and the video out will take over the full PC video out. Running your pinball table may need to be on an differnt VM / system.

 

 

 

 

Respectfully Jersey Jack asked nicely NO, not now not ever in no way shape or form NO
And thus All discussion and speculation should end

 

 

 

 

Spike 2 also has the online part and the code has code modding lockouts in it.

 

Spike 2 already sort of works to a point anyways, i am pretty sure Toxie already knows this?
But being that messing with that is messing with Stern's income, not going to share any info on it.

[toxie]

Yes, but with the existing Spike1/2 efforts, the same could also be done from within PinMAME. The mentioned PC-based setups would just be way too slow within PinMAME though.

[kontan]

Jack said no to emulation and everyone is respecting that, including myself. But let's open the debate whether it is a smart move or not.

 

First of all let me give you some context: I live in Osaka and go almost every week to the Silverball Planet (more than 100 machines in operation). I have never inserted any coin into a Jersey Jack's machine although they are all there (including Elton John). Why? because I do not know the rules and do not want to have to spend 50 bucks to start having fun with a table as they are famous for their rules complexity being mostly home market oriented machines. I do play Stern machines all the time and American Pinball ones sometimes.

 

I would definitely put some bucks into a machine if I could learn the ruleset and get familiar with the layout beforehand (at least for the oldest machines that are not in production anymore). 

 

Spooky Pinball, thanks to Ben Heck used to have a very emulation friendly policy and they seem to be doing very well today, any thoughts?