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[editoy]

File Name: Apache! (Taito 1978)

File Submitter: editoy

File Submitted: 30 Oct 2018

File Category: dB2S Animated Backglasses

Author(s): Editoy
Manufacturer: Taito
Year: 1978

Apache! (Taito 1978) kit (backglass + media pack)

Ready after a long work the first 1978's TTL version of Taito's Apache! (a little different from it's earlier SS '79 version)
 
Thanks to Loserman for table script that makes the "match-clock" work, for light assignement and for a lot of other things...
 
 
Backglass and Media Pack for Apache VPX table made from Loserman76, Editoy, Xenonph, Tio Italo, JP Salas
download it here
https://www.vpforums...&showfile=13885
 
The team that made Pinball
Loserman76: original table and script mod
Editoy: table graphics redraw from scratch, playfield adjust, backlass from scartch, media pack
Xenonph: original sounds
Tio Italo: apron image and instruction translate
jpsalas: finishing touches, backdrop, gi lights
 
 
what a job! Enjoy

Click here to download this file

[cestmoi]

Merci beaucoup à Tous

Bravo !

Encore encore !!!

[kalavera]

Thanks for your hard work guys! Looks awesome

[STAT]

Thanks Man Would Need it just a bit darkener, as the last one, Maybe.

[CARLOSGUIZZO]

Just one thing, the backglass is making clicking noises while scoring. This should not happen, as this is not an EM table and there are no score reels.

Is it possible to correct this?

Edited by CARLOSGUIZZO, 31 October 2018 - 02:51 AM.

[CARLOSGUIZZO]

Thanks Man Would Need it just a bit darkener, as the last one, Maybe.

Do you have any idea how to solve the problem concerning the EM sounds made by the BG?

[Albert]

Just one thing, the backglass is making clicking noises while scoring. This should not happen, as this is not an EM table and there are no score reels.

Is it possible to correct this?

 

This question has been asked here before (https://www.vpforums...showtopic=30908), but without a solution.

 

Yesterday i experimented with the b2s vbscript file (like exit the "SetB2SScoreSounds" sub if exename = "Apache!" or if cGameName = "Apache_1978", among other things), but nothing worked.

[STAT]

Imo. Sounds can be only coming from VPX and not from directb2s ...

[Albert]

Imo. Sounds can be only coming from VPX and not from directb2s ...

 

No. Those sounds are generated by the B2SBackglassServer software. You can test it: Just delete all sound files in the sound manager. You will still hear the reel clicks.

[STAT]

I read too fast, of Course about the Scoring.
Carlos, no idea at the monent, sorry.

Edited by STAT, 31 October 2018 - 08:15 AM.

[CARLOSGUIZZO]

Thanks for your hard work guys! Looks awesome

Do you have any idea how to solve the problem concerning the EM sounds made by the BG?

[kalavera]

The truth is that I did not start to review it, today I'm going to post it later, but I'm not very experienced in the subject

[CARLOSGUIZZO]

@32assassin could give a help here, please?

[CARLOSGUIZZO]

Wildman just gave some tips on what is happening with the Apache BG, that I will try to reproduce below.

 

The author used EM reels in the BG designer for some reason.

 

So, basically, the BG is acting like a EM and it’s using EM B2S commands to make the game work cause there’s no rom.

 

The way around the issue is to make the BG with rendered leds.

 

More or less, that’s it.

 

Thanks a lot for your precious tips, Wildman!

[Albert]

I changed the EM Reels to a LED image set and now the annoying clicking is gone.

[STAT]

Yep, i also got the Info from Wildman, sorry for the late, but here complete:

The issue with the Apache BG is he used em reels in the bg designer for some reason, he does his bg's that way instead of using rendered leds,

so basically the BG is acting like a EM and its using EM B2S commands to make the game work cause theres no rom....

The way around the issue is to make the bg with renderd leds like 99% of all the BG's lol

 Wildman.png   749.41KB   1 downloads

Edited by STAT, 01 November 2018 - 08:51 AM.

[editoy]

sorry guys i was out last days so i read only now

yes i confirm i used em reels so that i can make custom counters more similar to original ones

but i did the same in space shuttle with no "click problems"  maybe because space shuttle is an SS while Apache is an EM

if the only solution is to use render leds, ok i'll fix

[Albert]

if the only solution is to use render leds, ok i'll fix

 

If you're able to accomplish it with rendered LEDs, please tell me how you did it.

 

I had to do it with a LED image set; rendered LEDs didn't work.
 

Edited by Albert, 01 November 2018 - 03:57 PM.

[editoy]

Albert you talk about "a click" but i have a "bell sound" this is strange

 

rendered leds don't work for me too, but what is worst is that even using one of the default led sets sound remains

i made a try using table alone (deleting bg file from folder) and the sound is still there, and this is strange too

 

too many strange things i think i'll have to start bg from scratch

will let you know guys

[editoy]

ok guys it seems to work now, but before update if you want to test it is here

 

https://app.box.com/...ag4zt97pz9lrfrl

 

thank you all for support and help

it will be useful for next release too (but i don't want to waste surprise, right carlos?)