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[bladexdsl]

wait a min so hopefully this will be able to take a fp table and run it like vp complete with vp physics etc?!!

no more having to use fp?

Edited by bladexdsl, 28 January 2012 - 12:58 AM.

[louizou]

I use a c# interpreter component in unity for launching the table script.
So you'll just have to replace the FP script by the new ,save the table , and BINGO !!

Actually i do not master the interpreter at all so the syntax is a little boring .But it works

here is the T2 script :

... bunch of code ...

All those sendmessage are boring to type and object affectation must be done by the GameObject.Find method.
That's because i create the table in unity and then launch the interpreter.
I've planed to doit in another way, launching the interpreter and create the table from it, so the table objects will be directely accesible by the script.

So that's all the code for the lamps, what about switches and other solenoid driven mechanisms? Don't have any of that running yet?

yes for the lamps , you don't need more ...

table.SendMessage("Set_FirstL",11); // the number of the first used light
table.SendMessage("Set_LastL",88); // the number of the last one

table.SendMessage("addlamp","LightBonus2x$11"); // light declaration ( the $ is actually used as a token to separate the name of the light in FP and the number of this one ROMside)


Switches are not handled at the moment, but it will be the same thing.

Wow. that is amazing. I am trying to get a handle on what is happening here. So is this UW's VP table with some sort of 3d rendering? I don't get what i am seeing just yet.

Flippers are slow for me, but i understand this is just the sample. Very interesting, i just don't get it yet

Maceman

Yes flippers were very bad in the bad cats prototype.
But don't worry about this . when the flippers will be added , i'll try to make them supa tweakable(and all this by scripting)

why hiding physics parameters essential to the gameplay ?
for the same reason as not implementing VPM directly in FP (you see what i mean)

[louizou]

wait a min so hopefully this will be able to take a fp table and run it like vp complete with vp physics etc?!!

no more having to use fp?

it already takes lots ol FP tables (only one known crashing the extractor => jurassik park=>needs investigation)


All the tables you can see in the vidéo are screenshots or little clips made from VPM3d , not from FP

I do my tests on those tables :

Badcats, T2 , The dark knight , IJ ,Addams family , Cyclone , Taxi , Whirlwind , doctor who , medieval madness and more .......

Forget VP or FP physics , there will be VPM3d's physics (good or bad).

FP is just used as the editor . point !

[Dazz]

At the moment my focus is putted on the table ...
As you can see in the video , there is no backglass at all.
You can be sure that there will be a cabinet view .
The backglass on the second screen is a good idea , but i'll need to create a second exe and make it comunicate with the main one .....
I don't know if unity can handle this ... with ethernet perhaps

Even without the backglass, it's be awesome just to get the main table & vpmame running together and playable. Does your method have it's own script (like vpm tables do) for working back and forth with pinmame? Should talk to one of the FP table guys about making a version of one of their tables (like glxb) that is set up however would work best for your system.

Anxious to see whatever happens, no matter what, that's for sure.

What about spanning the table, would that work?

I wouldn't even worry about spanning as it only works in XP.

[maceman]

I think this is really cool, regardless of which table file is used to import into a different physics environment.

I think it is cool as well, but i just don't yet understand the reason to do it. I mean, i guess for FP, it would be to have the ability to perhaps tweak the physics more in Unity 3D?

I thought it was something that could take a VP file and render it in 3D, then i was getting excited, as that would be superb.

I don't know enough about this, but will watch the progress. It looks promising! Does this mean that FP will be able to use VPM roms possibly?

Maceman

[bent98]

wait a min so hopefully this will be able to take a fp table and run it like vp complete with vp physics etc?!!

no more having to use fp?

it already takes lots ol FP tables (only one known crashing the extractor => jurassik park=>needs investigation)


All the tables you can see in the vidéo are screenshots or little clips made from VPM3d , not from FP

I do my tests on those tables :

Badcats, T2 , The dark knight , IJ ,Addams family , Cyclone , Taxi , Whirlwind , doctor who , medieval madness and more .......

Forget VP or FP physics , there will be VPM3d's physics (good or bad).

FP is just used as the editor . point !

I know this is a major undertaking to program this. Just wondering is this something that will take a year or more to complete?

[rehab]

This looks very promising! Thanks for your hard work and I hope this succeeds!

[Dazz]

I think this is really cool, regardless of which table file is used to import into a different physics environment.

I think it is cool as well, but i just don't yet understand the reason to do it. I mean, i guess for FP, it would be to have the ability to perhaps tweak the physics more in Unity 3D?

I thought it was something that could take a VP file and render it in 3D, then i was getting excited, as that would be superb.

I don't know enough about this, but will watch the progress. It looks promising! Does this mean that FP will be able to use VPM roms possibly?

Maceman

This takes tables that are created in FP, imports them into Unity. Unity is a 3d gaming/physics engine. It then communicates with VPM for the use of roms. The tables will NOT be played in the FP environment. This is NOT making FP able to use VPM roms.

[yoeyyutch]

"Have you ever had a dream that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?"

[Nick Warcholak]

This looks amazing. Great work man.

Yes, the idea is that you make the table in FP's editor, which from what I understand is on the whole more user friendly than VP's editor. Then it can be exported to Unity where it can interface with VPM and have it's physics adjusted to degrees not allowed in FP. That's a win all around IMO.

[louizou]

This looks amazing. Great work man.

Thanks a lot man

Yes, the idea is that you make the table in FP's editor, which from what I understand is on the whole more user friendly than VP's editor. Then it can be exported to Unity where it can interface with VPM and have it's physics adjusted to degrees not allowed in FP.

exactly

Edited by louizou, 28 January 2012 - 03:44 PM.

[settingsons]

Wow - that is extremely impressive! Excellent work and very exciting news.

[tipoto]

Some questions for you louizou
Can we import directly into Unity 3D a table done with a 3D software like 3dsmax, Maya or whatever? If so, do the animations, UVW map and textures are imported as well? And what about the lighting?

Thanks!

[louizou]

Salut tipoto , et tout dabord merci pour ton mail , ca fait zizir
Je sais pas si tu as recu la réponse , je l'ai envoyé 3 fois mais la messagerie du forum me dit 0 elements envoyés , donc j'en profite pour te remercier sur ce post.


Unity handles directly max ,fbx ,3DS ,OBJ and many more files , but only in the editor part.
At runtime it doesn't by scripting.
It handles mesh ,materials , 2 or 3 uv channels . I think it can handle baked lights for lightmapping but i don'tknow how this works....

Unity has some limited features at runtime . You can't do everything by scripting but it's great

Edited by louizou, 28 January 2012 - 09:57 PM.

[tipoto]

Salut tipoto , et tout dabord merci pour ton mail , ca fait zizir
Je sais pas si tu as recu la réponse , je l'ai envoyé 3 fois mais la messagerie du forum me dit 0 elements envoyés , donc j'en profite pour te remercier sur ce post.


Unity handles directly max ,fbx ,3DS ,OBJ and many more files , but only in the editor part.
At runtime it doesn't by scripting.
It handles mesh ,materials , 2 or 3 uv channels . I think it can handle baked lights for lightmapping but i don'tknow how this works....

Unity has some limited features at runtime . You can't do everything by scripting but it's great

Oui j'ai bien reçu tes réponses, merci ! Il y a une case à cocher en bas des messages avant de les envoyer, si tu veux les voir dans la sentbox il me semble... Pas sûr...

Thanks for the quick reply, sounds very interesting! I'm gonna take a look at it and see the way it works with the import part

[louizou]

good luck , it's a really tricky part.(at runtime of course)

To import MS3D , i needed to port the milshape C++ importer code to c# and it's not finished .(lacks animations .... working on this at that time)

[wtiger]

louizou,
This is very fasinating. Thank you for sharing your works with us on this forum. I look forward to watching this progress.

[louizou]

you do not have to thank me tiger ,even if i appreciate this
it's just normal to do this , as a pinball fan.

i must admit i had this idea since FP was released ! i don't remember the year
I've tryed to do my own editor/simulation , first using delphi and GLscene (that was ugly, i let it down quicly)
Then i tried something with virtools , a french game development tool => the same result even if it had better GFX and good physics

Borred with all this ,i decided to try something to rip FP data as the most difficult and long part, IMO , is the editor, and you must admit that it's editor is awesome.

I made some tools remoting FP in order to capture images , models ,etc .... That was not very "PRO" but it did the job (some data of the badcats prototype were taken from this)

And after releasing the video on youtube , LVR contacted me , and with the help of his tools , i started this project to him

As MLK said : "I have a dream .... It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream" (in our case , it is some french men's dream too )

All that to say that if we work all together (VP and FP fans) , we'll make that dream come true !

OMG , i do have lots of poetic and revolutionnary feelings tonight !!

[bent98]

I am so happy you are working on this. It will be an exiciting day when the community can start playing tables in unity.

[louizou]

true

There are two things that worries me , the ramps and the toys .It will be IMO the hardest part.

As we can see on some FPT tables , the creators add surfaces or other invisible ramps over the real one(simple ramps) to avoid physics problem...

I thought about doing this natively , so the sides and bottom will be drawn with their FP textures,transp , spheremap ,etc ... and the top will be in the physic world but not visible.

What do you think about this ?

Edited by louizou, 29 January 2012 - 11:40 PM.