128 replies to this topic

[jpsalas]

Bullshit from a bullshitter again. I've mentioned this exact problem - first time, at least a couple of years back when I started to modify my own versions of tables. It all has to do with the ball speed. If it gets close to zero and is hitting a loop cut, that is the only time you will see this issue. So, in almost all cases, all you have to do is to make sure that there isn't any loop cuts near the flippers. In order words, exactly what JP said. I would even stay away from his good example though.

 

 

http://vpforums.org/...-0607-47-38.png

 

If you are in orthographic view - seen straight from above '7' on numpad. It becomes easier. You can use knife cut tool instead of loop cuts. Select whole PF mesh after that, in edit mode ... Face -> Triangulate Faces, followed up with Face -> Tris to Quads.

 

This was a 3 minute edit, a bit rusty on the procedure. Here the holes are just holes, you want to make them have beveled edges etc. Just did this to more visually show you what I mean.

 

So, should this be fixed ? I don't think it needs to. Actually, a ball on a regular PF has a lot of these oddities happening to it. Even on brand new machines, going over cutout insets it might influence the ball very very slightly, on older machines where the inserts has become "beveled"  - you see the ball follow what used to be a flat area. PF mesh - needs to be done right, that's all.

 

It is a long long time ago, since primitives where an issue and it most cases - it was authors misstakes in the first place.

 

Thanks, Thalamus, I see what you mean now. And I see that I have a lot of to learn about Blender. The new meshes I did for the tables are much better than before, but I still see some weird ball movements on some tables. I have been watching some videos, and I have learned what the knife tools is used for. I'll do some more playfield meshes for the next tables and I'll see if I can get them done right this time,

 

If any of you get a ball stuck on a flipper after cradling the ball on any of these last 40 tables, then please tell me and I'll make a new mesh for it. And you may ask why are you using meshes at all? Because many tables have real holes, and I want to use one method to make the holes on all the tables. It's all about practice

[humunut]

I tried the latest versions of these tables from JP tonight:

 

Addams Family

Ghostbusters Slimer

IT

Lord of the Rings

Space Cadet

Spiderman

Serious Sam I and II

TOTAN

 

I saw a problem only with Spiderman. The ball got stuck on a flipper a few times. Otherwise, tables played great.

 

Thanks again JP for putting these tables together!  There are many people who get a lot of enjoyment from them.

[jpsalas]

Thanks, humunut for the info. I'll check Spiderman.

 

 

UPDATED: JP's Spiderman

 

5.0.3 Updated 07.12.2024

- New playfield mesh to stop the ball stuck on top of the flippers.  (again )

 

I think I got the idea now how to make those #¤%&/(XX meshes

Edited by jpsalas, 07 December 2024 - 07:00 AM.

[jpsalas]

200 tables to go, so today's tables are my 90's tables. Tomorrow we'll start with some oldies

There are 12 tables today, so don't forget to click on my signature to go to my upload list and get the rest of my tables

 

250cc (Inder - 1992) v5_VPX8.vpx

Attack and Revenge from Mars v5_VPX8.vpx

Attack from Mars LE v5_VPX8.vpx

Attack from Mars v5_VPX8.vpx

Harley Davidson (Bally - 1991) JP_VP8.vpx

Jolly Park (Spinball - 1996) v5_VPX8.vpx

JP's Street Fighter II (Gottlieb 1993) v5_VPX8.vpx

Metal Man (Inder 1992) v5_VPX8.vpx

Party Zone (Bally 1991) v5_VPX8.vpx

Pool Sharks (Midway 1990) v5_VPX8.vpx

Punchy the Clown (Alvin G and Co 1993) v5_VPX8.vpx

Radical (Bally 1990) v5_VPX8.vpx

Verne's World (Spinball 1996) v5_VPX8.vpx

 

Not much to say about these tables. They all are vpinamme tables, and I got a lot of help from many friends to be able to make them, like redrawing images and making 3D objects. There are also a few Spanish tables, as you can see.

Attack from Mars has modulated flashers as default, they look a little better

 

(just ignore the next line )

Some thoughts:  90's tables are considered "new" or "modern" tables, the ones before them, for ex. the 80's tables are "old". Aren't they all old?    Oh, I see, ramps vs no ramps 

[havemusic]

Loving the Table updates.  Thank you for your work. I don't know if this on my end or vpx is the issue but on the transformer table. I get this error when I get to destroy prime: This on the new vpx8 RC6 I rolled back and got the same thing

Runtime error

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Line: 1

Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'PrimeShake'

 

Runtime error

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Line: 1

Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'PrimeShake'

[jpsalas]

 

Loving the Table updates.  Thank you for your work. I don't know if this on my end or vpx is the issue but on the transformer table. I get this error when I get to destroy prime: This on the new vpx8 RC6 I rolled back and got the same thing

Runtime error

-------------

Line: 1

Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'PrimeShake'

 

Runtime error

-------------

Line: 1

Wrong number of arguments or invalid property assignment: 'PrimeShake'

 

 

I'll check the table. 

 

Edit:

I have updated the table, version 5.1.2. The error was at the line 388, it was missing a '

 

SolCallback(12)  = "PrimeShake '" ' Optimus Prime shake

 

When I updated & tested the table, in May this year, I still had the old core.vbs, and the new one detects these kinds of errors, while the old one allowed them.

Edited by jpsalas, 08 December 2024 - 02:26 AM.

[jpsalas]

Today's tables are my tables from the 50's and 60's, and they are all uploaded

 

Ace High (Gottlieb 1957) v5_VPX8.vpx

Alice in Wonderland (Gottlieb 1948) v5_VPX8.vpx

Apollo (Williams 1967) v5_VPX8.vpx

Coronation (Gottlieb 1952) v5_VPX8.vpx

Hi-Diver (Gottlieb 1959) v5_VPX8.vpx

Hi-Score (Gottlieb 1967) v5_VPX8.vpx

Masquerade (Gottlieb 1966) v5_VPX8.vpx

Moulin Rouge (Williams 1965) v5_VPX8.vpx

Nairobi (Maresa 1965) v5_VPX8.vpx

North Pole (Playmatic 1967) v5_VPX8.vpx

Pit Stop (Williams 1968) v5_VPX8.vpx

Schuss (Rally 1968) v5_VPX8.vpx

Sky-Line (Gottlieb 1965) v5_VPX8.vpx

Super Score (Gottlieb 1967) v5_VPX8.vpx

Sweet Sioux (Gottlieb 1959) v5_VPX8.vpx

Universe (Gottlieb 1959) v5_VPX8.vpx

[jpsalas]

Since I have these tables ready with a new playfield mesh, and I won't be home a few days before the 24th, then here you have a few more tables. These are my LTD do Brasil tables

 

Cowboy Eight Ball (LTD do Brasil 1981) v5_VPX8.vpx

Cowboy Eight Ball 2 (LTD do Brasil 1981) v5_VPX8.vpx

Disco Dancing (LTD do Brasil 1979) v5_VPX8.vpx

Galáxia (LTD do Brasil 1975) v5_VPX8.vpx

Hustler (LTD do Brasil 1980) v5_VPX8.vpx

Kung Fu (LTD do Brasil 1975) v5_VPX8.vpx

Kung Fu (LTD do Brasil 1978) v5_VPX8.vpx

Mr. & Mrs. Pec-Men (LTD do Brasil 1983) v5_VPX8.vpx

O Gaucho (LTD do Brasil 1975) v5_VPX8.vpx

Trick Shooter (LTD do Brasil 1980) v5_VPX8.vpx

Zephy (LTD do Brasil 1982) v5_VPX8.vpx

 

And remember if you find an error in any of my new uploads then post it here or in the Support thread of the table itself. Please do not post any errors in the Reviews thread, as I don't get notified of any posts there, and as you can understand I can't check all the reviews of all uploads in case someone reports any bug

 

And also remember the shortcut to all my uploads by clicking on the image of my signature

Edited by jpsalas, 08 December 2024 - 07:06 AM.

[jpsalas]

Today's tables are the first part of the Taito do Brasil tables.

You'll notice there are some new versions of 2 tables, one EM version and one UPC version, this is actually an EM version but with electronic displays and sounds, before Taito made the SS versions. Thanks to Halen for these versions and for their directb2s files.

 

There are also some new updates directb2s files, Saloon and Sultan.

 

Also the Sultan table doesn't uses anymore the Sinbad ROM, because the Sultan's rules were very different than Gottlieb's Sinbad. The tables were built from scratch due to a new playfield by Halen.

This table also comes in two versions: the original with 4 flippers and the version they made with only 2 flippers due to complains about people losing the balls too quickly.

 

Apache! (Taito do Brasil - 1978) v5_VPX8.vpx

Apache! EM (Taito do Brasil 1978) v5_VPX8.directb2s

Apache! EM (Taito do Brasil 1978) v5_VPX8.vpx

Apache! UPC (Taito do Brasil 1978) v5_VPX8.directb2s

Apache! UPC (Taito do Brasil 1978) v5_VPX8.vpx

Cavaleiro Negro  (Taito do Brasil - 1980) v5_VPX8.vpx

Check Mate (Taito do Brasil - 1978) v5_VPX8.vpx

Check Mate EM  (Taito do Brasil 1978) v5_VPX8.directb2s

Check Mate EM  (Taito do Brasil 1978) v5_VPX8.vpx

Check Mate UPC  (Taito do Brasil 1978) v5_VPX8.directb2s

Check Mate UPC  (Taito do Brasil 1978) v5_VPX8.vpx

Cosmic (Taito do Brasil - 1980) v5_VPX8.vpx

Criterium 77 (Taito do Brasil - 1977) v5_VPX8.vpx

Drakor (Taito do Brasil - 1979) v5_VPX8.vpx

Fire Action (Taito do Brasil - 1980) v5_VPX8.vpx

Fire Action de Luxe (Taito do Brasil - 1983) v5_VPX8.vpx

Football (Taito do Brasil - 1979) v5_VPX8.vpx

Gemini 2000 (Taito do Brasil - 1982) v5_VPX8.vpx

Gork (Taito do Brasil - 1982) v5_VPX8.vpx

Hawkman (Taito do Brasil - 1983) v5_VPX8.vpx

Hot Ball (Taito do Brasil 1979)  v5_VPX8.vpx

Saloon (Taito do Brasil 1978) v5_VPX8.directb2s

Saloon (Taito do Brasil 1978) v5_VPX8.vpx

Sultan (Taito do Brasil - 1979) 2 flippers v5_VPX8.vpx

Sultan (Taito do Brasil - 1979) v5_VPX8.directb2s

Sultan (Taito do Brasil - 1979) v5_VPX8.vpx

[jpsalas]

And here it is the second part of Taito tables. 

There are 21 tables today. Enjoy!

 

Lady Luck (Taito do Brasil - 1978) v5_VPX8.vpx

Lucky Strike (Taito 1978) v5_VPX8.vpx

Lunelle (Taito do Brasil - 1982) v5_VPX8.vpx

Meteor (Taito do Brasil - 1979) v5_VPX8.vpx

Mr Black (Taito do Brasil - 1984) v5_VPX8.vpx

Oba Oba (Taito do Brasil - 1979) v5_VPX8.vpx

Polar Explorer (Taito 1983) v5_VPX8.vpx

Rally (Taito do Brasil - 1980) v5_VPX8.vpx

Roman Victory (Taito 1978) v5_VPX8.vpx

Shark (Taito do Brasil - 1982) v5_VPX8.vpx

Shock (Taito do Brasil - 1979) v5_VPX8.vpx

Snake Machine (Taito do Brasil - 1981) v5_VPX8.vpx

Space Patrol (Taito 1978) v5_VPX8.vpx

Space Shuttle (Taito do Brasil - 1982) v5_VPX8.vpx

Speed Test (Taito do Brasil - 1982) v5_VPX8.vpx

Sure Shot (Taito do Brasil - 1981) v5_VPX8.vpx

Titan (Taito do Brasil - 1981) v5_VPX8.vpx

Vegas (Taito do Brasil - 1980) v5_VPX8.vpx

Volley (Taito do Brasil - 1981) v5_VPX8.vpx

Vortex (Taito do Brasil - 1981) v5_VPX8.vpx

Zarza (Taito do Brasil - 1982) v5_VPX8.vpx

[jpsalas]

I just realized that I made a mistake in my ball spin control: I just simply made it way too strong, and I simply killed the ball acceleration!!!

 

I didn't notice that when I was making the updates with my portable computer, but on the desktop computer I have started noticing that the ball is way too slow, and I started compensating by increasing the slope. I also noticed that the metals grab the ball much more than before like they were rubbers. I started to wonder if the physics on the latest VPX betas had been changed, since I didn't notice that on the portable. But no, the problem is in my ball spin control, which is just too aggressive and slows down the ball just too much. The tables are almost unplayable like they are now.

 

So, guess what? I'll be re-uploading a new version of all the tables! So, for now, just relax, don't download more tables and wait for the next batch of uploads.   

 

The I'll be testing the playfield_mesh of all the tables and fix the ball spin. I'm sure this is because I said I didn't have anything to do

 

Aggghhhhhhh!

[teisen]

what a job!

 

stay strong JP

Edited by teisen, 10 December 2024 - 12:08 PM.

[jpsalas]

And here we start again, this time 2 important updates have been made to all the tables:

 

- New playfield mesh to avoid the ball getting stuck on top of the flippers.

- Fixed my ball spin control, which were too aggressive, and it killed the ball's acceleration, making the ball too slow, getting stuck on ramps, and also being unable to climb the ramps on many tables.

 

All the tables have been given the version number 5.5.0, regarless of the previous version number. 

So, if you have a table with the version lower than 5.5.0 then you know it is old

To be sure you download the right table, the filename has also been changed to include v55_VPX8

 

I'll upload the tables alphabetically, which is easier for me to update and upload. 

 

There are a total of 257 tables, since I'll need to update also the ones that already were adjusted for VPX8, but which had the aggressive ball spin control.

 

Here are the first batch of tables, 30 in total:

 

123(Talleres de Llobregat 1973) v55_VPX8.vpx

250cc (Inder - 1992) v55_VPX8.vpx

301 Bullseye (Grand Products 1986) v55_VPX8.vpx

4 Aces (Williams 1970) v55_VPX8.vpx

Ace High (Gottlieb 1957) v55_VPX8.vpx

Ali (Stern 1980) v55_VPX8.vpx

Alice in Wonderland (Gottlieb 1948) v55_VPX8.vpx

Alien Poker (Williams 1980) v55_VPX8.vpx

Alien Poker (Williams 1980) v55_VPX8_Multiball.vpx

Andromeda (Game Plan 1985) v55_VPX8.vpx

Apache! (Taito do Brasil - 1978) v55_VPX8.vpx

Apache! EM (Taito do Brasil 1978) v55_VPX8.vpx

Apache! UPC (Taito do Brasil 1978) v55_VPX8.vpx

Apollo (Williams 1967) v55_VPX8.vpx

Aspen (Brunswick 1979) v55_VPX8.vpx

Attack and Revenge from Mars v55_VPX8.vpx

Attack from Mars LE v55_VPX8.vpx

Attack from Mars v55_VPX8.vpx

Banzai Run (Williams 1988) v55_VPX8.vpx

Big Brave (Maresa 1974) v55_VPX8.vpx

Big Game (Stern 1980) v55_VPX8.vpx

Big Horse (Maresa 1975) v55_VPX8.vpx

Big Indian (Gottlieb 1974) v55_VPX8.vpx

Big Star (Williams 1972) v55_VPX8.vpx

Black & Red (Inder 1975) v55_VPX8.vpx

Black Belt (Bally 1986) v55_VPX8.vpx

Black Knight (Williams 1980) v55_VPX8.vpx

Black Pyramid (Bally 1984) v55_VPX8.vpx

BMX (Bally 1983) v55_VPX8.vpx

Brave Team (Inder 1985) v55_VPX8.vpx

 

Let's go and get ready the next batch

[jpsalas]

Today's uploaded tables: 57 in total  

 

Bumper (Bill Port - 1977) v55_VPX8.vpx

Canasta 86 (Inder 1986) v55_VPX8.vpx

Captain Fantastic (Bally 1975) v55_VPX8.vpx

Carnaval no Rio (LTD do Brasil 1977) v55_VPX8.vpx

Carnaval no Rio (LTD do Brasil 1981) v55_VPX8.vpx

Cavaleiro Negro  (Taito do Brasil - 1980) v55_VPX8.vpx

Cerberus (Playmatic 1983) v55_VPX8.vpx

Chance (Playmatic 1971) v55_VPX8.vpx

Chance (Playmatic 1978) v55_VPX8.vpx

Charlie's Angels (Gotlieb 1978) v55_VPX8.vpx

Check (Petaco - 1975) v55_VPX8.vpx

Check Mate (Recel - 1975) v55_VPX8.vpx

Check Mate (Taito do Brasil - 1978) v55_VPX8.vpx

Check Mate EM  (Taito do Brasil 1978) v55_VPX8.vpx

Check Mate UPC  (Taito do Brasil 1978) v55_VPX8.vpx

Cheetah (Stern 1980) v55_VPX8.vpx

Circus (Brunswick - 1980) v55_VPX8.vpx

Conquest 200 (Playmatic 1976) v55_VPX8.vpx

Coronation (Gottlieb 1952) v55_VPX8.vpx

Cosmic (Taito do Brasil - 1980) v55_VPX8.vpx

Cosmic Princess (Stern - 1979) v55_VPX8.vpx

Count-Down (Gottlieb 1978) v55_VPX8.vpx

Cowboy Eight Ball (LTD do Brasil 1981) v55_VPX8.vpx

Cowboy Eight Ball 2 (LTD do Brasil 1981) v55_VPX8.vpx

Criterium 77 (Taito do Brasil - 1977) v55_VPX8.vpx

Crystal-Ball (Talleres del Llobregat 1970) v55_VPX8.vpx

Diablo Pinball v55_VPX8.vpx

Diamond Lady (Gottlieb 1988) v55_VPX8.vpx

Disco Dancing (LTD do Brasil 1979) v55_VPX8.vpx

Dolly Parton (Bally 1979) v55_VPX8.vpx

Drakor (Taito do Brasil - 1979) v55_VPX8.vpx

Eight Ball (Bally 1977) v55_VPX8.vpx

El_Bueno_el_Feo_y_el_Malo v55_VPX8.vpx

Elvis (Stern 2004) v55_VPX8.vpx

Faeton (Juegos Populares 1985) v55_VPX8.vpx

Fair Fight (Recel 1978) v55_VPX8.vpx

Fan-Tas-Tic (Williams 1972) v55_VPX8.vpx

Fifteen (Inder 1974) v55_VPX8.vpx

Fire Action (Taito do Brasil - 1980) v55_VPX8.vpx

Fire Action de Luxe (Taito do Brasil - 1983) v55_VPX8.vpx

Flash (Williams 1979) v55_VPX8.vpx

Flashman (Sportmatic 1984) v55_VPX8.vpx

Flip Flop (Bally 1976) v55_VPX8.vpx

Football (Taito do Brasil - 1979) v55_VPX8.vpx

Freefall (Stern 1981) v55_VPX8.vpx

Future Spa (Bally 1979) v55_VPX8.vpx

Galáxia (LTD do Brasil 1975) v55_VPX8.vpx

Galaxy (Sega 1973) v55_VPX8.vpx

Gamatron (Pinstar 1985) v55_VPX8.vpx

Gamatron (Sonic 1986) v55_VPX8.vpx

Gargamel_Park_v55_VPX8.vpx

Gemini 2000 (Taito do Brasil - 1982) v55_VPX8.vpx

Gork (Taito do Brasil - 1982) v55_VPX8.vpx

Harlem Globetrotters (Bally 1979) v55_VPX8.vpx

Harley Davidson (Bally - 1991) v55_VP8.vpx

Hawkman (Taito do Brasil - 1983) v55_VPX8.vpx

Jake Mate (Petaco - 1974) v55_VPX8.vpx

[Dutchpinball]

Hello JP, I think you forget the upload of Captain Fantastic!

Thanks for all the new updates! They are great.

[jpsalas]

Hello JP, I think you forget the upload of Captain Fantastic!

Thanks for all the new updates! They are great.

 

Captain Fantastic was made by akiles50000, I only helped him He was the one who uploaded it I have sent him the table updated, but now it is up to him to upload it I don't know if he has started testing or using VPX8.

[Nathan 1980]

thank's.

[Sbaby]

Hi everyone,

Thank you for having me here! I’m new to this forum and already impressed by the community.

 

Ghostbusters Slimer https://www.vpforums...&showfile=12488

 

I’ve set everything up perfectly: three screens with fully working backglass and DMD videos, the table plays great, and everything seems fine.

 

The only issue is that the playfield music volume is extremely low, and I can’t find a way to increase it

 

Does anyone know how I can fix this problem?

[xenonph]

 

Hi everyone,

Thank you for having me here! I’m new to this forum and already impressed by the community.

 

Ghostbusters Slimer https://www.vpforums...&showfile=12488

 

I’ve set everything up perfectly: three screens with fully working backglass and DMD videos, the table plays great, and everything seems fine.

 

The only issue is that the playfield music volume is extremely low, and I can’t find a way to increase it

 

Does anyone know how I can fix this problem?

 

Open table in editor, and click Table tab at top, then click Sound Manager from dropdown menu.

Now scroll down to the sound marked "m_main". Highlight it with mouse, and click Position/Volume button on right side of Sound Manager.

Now a Sound Position window will pop up. The far right slider controls the volume for that certain sound.

Try upping the volume and click Test button, until you are happy with the volume.

 

[Sbaby]

 

 

Hi everyone,

Thank you for having me here! I’m new to this forum and already impressed by the community.

 

Ghostbusters Slimer https://www.vpforums...&showfile=12488

 

I’ve set everything up perfectly: three screens with fully working backglass and DMD videos, the table plays great, and everything seems fine.

 

The only issue is that the playfield music volume is extremely low, and I can’t find a way to increase it

 

Does anyone know how I can fix this problem?

 

Open table in editor, and click Table tab at top, then click Sound Manager from dropdown menu.

Now scroll down to the sound marked "m_main". Highlight it with mouse, and click Position/Volume button on right side of Sound Manager.

Now a Sound Position window will pop up. The far right slider controls the volume for that certain sound.

Try upping the volume and click Test button, until you are happy with the volume.

 

 

Thank you for your reply, I had already tried this as well, the volume does not change at any position I put the sliders, the test is always the same, the volume always the same