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[epthegeek]

Settings Used in screenshot: 12,50,80,270,1.31,1.85,-314,215

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Still really loving the FOV pinch.

[maceman]

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geewiz, this took me like 20 minutes to find again

I am going to try some of these newer ones right now. I want to try scott's first...

cheers,
maceman

[scott-Detroit Pinball]

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I studied up and did some experimenting with exactly what the various view settings mean/do, and though these visual aids might be helpful for anybody who hadn't read into the details. Maybe not. Probably for a lot of you guys this stuff is old OLD news, but I never paid much attention to layback until checking out this thread the other day. I knew more recent builds were using it, but that was all.

All you have to do to implement layback on most tables (that don't make use of reels) is 1) Lower the inclination and 2) Increase the layback -- until you find numbers you're happy with. Inclination of 10 and Layback of 75 seems to be a good rough starting point.

[color="#FF0000"]Inclination has to do with the starting angle of the entire view. 0 Degrees is directly overhead, 90 Degrees would be staring at the end of the playfield.

Like so:


For cabinet tables, lower angles on inclination make the flippers look better because you're looking more straight down on them. Just as if playing a real pinball table, your 'angle of view' of the front of the table where the flippers are is pretty close to straight down (depending on how you stand of course).

Without layback, this makes the back of the table look really strange. In real life, your view angle to the back of the playfield is drastically different, because you're in front of the machine, the farther back something is, the greater the view angle on it becomes. Layback skews the angle the farther back you go to give you a similar visual effect. If you leave the layback at zero, the entire thing is at the same angle as the inclination (making the whole view top-down as if you were hovering over the machine) - if you increase layback, it's as if you're skewing the back wall away from you and stretching the playfield along with it.

Sort of like this:


Those of you with cabinets with a recessed display that angles away from the glass like a real table does (usually) may not need to do anything with the FOV setting -- but in my case, the LCD is right under the glass, and parallel. Using a lower FOV to 'pinch' the back end of the playfield makes it appear to be farther away, and gives you the illusion of seeing the inside walls of the cabinet as you would in a real game (or do on a recessed LCD). This really helps me with perception of shots and angles, but I might be alone there.

Big thanks to Scott for bringing that change up - it's a night and day difference for me.

E, I like where your going with this thread but some of your definations are off.... you have the words inclination, and lay back mis-matched in a couple of your definitions.

Layback is one piece of the equation, with FOV and inclination-- the entire end result, I think the general term some are using is the "keystone effect".

I am happy to see games are finally being designed to take advantage of this "upgrade" to VP.

Scott
Detroit Pinball

[sharkus]

If some rendering (soft reflections) could be done in the black "pinch" areas I have a feeling it would add even more to the illusion of depth...

[DrJoeC]

I agree, perhaps some kind of shadowing or horizontal lines (wood grain)

[hashman]

Scott, have you done any more tables lately? Im lazy so I like copying your settings instead of screwing mine up

[scott-Detroit Pinball]

Scott, have you done any more tables lately? Im lazy so I like copying your settings instead of screwing mine up

Yes, Congo and No Fear.
I will post this weekend.

Scott
Detroit Pinball

[bodydump]

Scott, have you done any more tables lately? Im lazy so I like copying your settings instead of screwing mine up

Yes, Congo and No Fear.
I will post this weekend.

Scott
Detroit Pinball

Thank you Scott. Your settings make the tables come alive. Please keep posting 'em.

[hashman]

Same from me man. Really appreciate you sharing your settings. Thank you.

[scott-Detroit Pinball]

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Congo, Thank you JP Salas, great table!!!
Side Note to everyone-- I did make some changes to the volcano to make it taller, its experimental so far, but I changed playfield piece (you can go to these by selecting script, then drop down menu) :
F27 Top, changed to 580 (increase)
F27a "same as above"
F27b "same as above"
F27c "same as above"
Also, lowered flipper strength down to .085 to make shots tougher / table slope to 8

incl- 12
FOV 45
LB 80
xy 270
x 1.32
y 2
x -220
y 550

I am getting a rail on the left hand corner that you cant see in the picture that, needs to be deleted out.

hope you like
Scott
Detroit Pinball

[settingsons]

Many thanks for the settings Scott - they really do add depth - appreciate your efforts on these and would love to see your settings for other tables. I also applied the flipper settings and table slope change to make the shots tougher which is certainly better. They seem really weak but I am sure you have adjusted them close to the real table so I will stick with those. Did you also change the flipper speed by any chance?

Edited by settingsons, 31 October 2011 - 09:35 PM.

[scott-Detroit Pinball]

Many thanks for the settings Scott - they really do add depth - appreciate your efforts on these and would love to see your settings for other tables. I also applied the flipper settings and table slope change to make the shots tougher which is certainly better. They seem really weak but I am sure you have adjusted them close to the real table so I will stick with those. Did you also change the flipper speed by any chance?

thanks very much for the comments, and I did increase the flipper speed and decreased the flipper strength as noted above. I cant remember, what the settings are at the top of my head, still tinkering. When playing the real game, on occasion you should have balls not make it up the either ramp. They should not always go around like they have been shot out of a laser.

Scott
Detroit Pinball

[johnparker007]

Done a few...


CFTBL.UW.V1.1
15, 30, 60, 270, 1.332, 2.05, -145, 266

Indiana Jones -FS-Lord Hiryu-VP9-v1-2 HR
15, 30, 60, 270, 1.292, 1.72, -450, 224

doctor who OzPinUW_FS v1.0
10, 30, 60, 270, 1.325, 1.95, -372, 182


These are more Scott style perspective as they are 'deeper' tables with ramps, rather than the old EMs...

P.S. The Indiana Jones table has a very minor gfx glitch when these are applied - the ball in the plunger lane is half-cropped... still worth it for the proper perspective view though!

Cheers,
John

[DedRok_V]

Taxi : 6,40,90,270,1.25,1.8,-280,180

Sorcerer : 4,38,88,270,1.375,1.955,-351,100 (Flipper : Rubber : width 25, offset 18, thick 7)

Lectronamo : 0,40,92,270,1.33,1.998,-1460,35 (Flipper : Rubber : width 25, offset 18, thick 6)

[DedRok_V]

Congo, Thank you JP Salas, great table!!!
Side Note to everyone-- I did make some changes to the volcano to make it taller, its experimental so far, but I changed playfield piece (you can go to these by selecting script, then drop down menu) :
F27 Top, changed to 580 (increase)
F27a "same as above"
F27b "same as above"
F27c "same as above"
Also, lowered flipper strength down to .085 to make shots tougher / table slope to 8

incl- 12
FOV 45
LB 80
xy 270
x 1.32
y 2
x -220
y 550

I am getting a rail on the left hand corner that you cant see in the picture that, needs to be deleted out.

hope you like
Scott
Detroit Pinball

Scott, if everything else looks right and the flippers still look a bit flat, try changing their height and rubber sizes to look the same as the real one.
Settings look pretty good on congo, but the flippers dont match, they look too flat.

Guns 'N' Roses : 10,35,89,270,1.335,1.775,-375,280


Medusa : 2,34,92,270,1.3,1.995,-462,95

[jadflat]

Hi, I have some layback settings to share.

Some of them are just tweaks of what other people have posted, the rest are my own.


black knight 2 30 60 270 1.34 2 -355 5
addams family 8 30 60 270 1.43 2.185 -305 102
breakshot 0 32 82 270 1.335 2.14 -412 26
fish tales 1 30 80 270 1.26 2.15 -325 10
frankenstein 10 30 65 270 1.32 1.98 -290 213
medieval madness 11 30 80 270 1.32 2 -170 255
TOTAN 11 50 75 270 1.25 1.93 -310 225
TOTAN 9 32 75 270 1.28 2.05 -315 195
indy 500 - 8 40 80 270 1.28 2.05 -375 180
elvira 8 35 80 270 1.33 1.88 -412 100
roadshow 8 40 80 270 1.32 1.8 -420 260
TOM 10 50 80 270 1.3 1.975 -347 194
circus voltaire 7 48 80 270 1.26 2.1 -511 185
CFTBL 10 30 80 270 1.35 2.2 -145 266
taxi 20 30 60 270 1.6 2.09 -380 250
guns n roses 10 35 89 270 1.4 1.82 -375 240
bram stokers dracula 15 35 60 270 1.35 1.98 -514 240
congo 9 30 70 270 1.38 2.31 -215 397
cueball wizard 12 30 60 270 1.36 2 -401 160
cyclone 12 30 60 270 1.42 2.05 -340 193
dirty harry 10 30 60 270 1.35 2.16 -220 220 : 6 24 16
dr dude 12 40 80 270 1.35 1.83 -410 285 : 6 22 17
earthshaker 8 30 60 270 1.42 2.2175 -370 175
elvis 10 30 60 270 1.4 2.2 -1390 210 ::: 0.4 0.18
f14 tomcat 7 30 75 270 1.34 2.08 -400 105
freddy 7 30 60 270 1.35 2.2 -115 190
goldeneye 10 3 60 270 1.43 2.1 -388 119
indepemdance day 7 35 85 270 1.38 2 -189 280
johnny mnen 10 30 60 270 1.32 2.2 -31 240
monster bash 10 30 60 270 1.32 2.15 -245 205
no good goffers 8 40 80 270 1.345 2.17 -362 208
pinbot 10 30 60 270 1.36 1.95 -530 160
rescue 911 8 33 70 270 1.448 2.2 -291 43
riverboat gambler 12 30 60 270 1.292 1.95 -377 170
south park 8 40 90 270 1.39 2 -315 250
star wars 10 30 80 270 1.3025 1.985 -287 220
super mario bros 8 30 80 270 1.375 2.285 -300 230
teed off 10 30 60 270 1.245 2.07 -260 149
T2 8 30 80 270 1.39 2 -425 194
Terminator 3 8 30 75 270 1.255 2.16 -375 167
the Machine BOP 7 35 50 270 1.347 2.1 -402 105
tommy 10 30 60 270 1.255 1.775 -395 180
twilight zone 10 30 60 270 1.235 1.765 -392 190
wcs94 10 30 70 270 1.375 1.95 -390 220
star trek TNG 10 30 80 270 1.3 1.87 -466 256
funhouse 8 30 100 270 1.28 2.13 -335 270
indiana jones 8 35 75 270 1.26 1.88 -445 230
lethal weapon 3 7 30 80 270 1.41 2.175 -360 98
no fear 8 30 80 270 1.22 1.98 -355 240
robo war 5 40 80 270 1.45 2.28 -442 90
rollergames 10 30 60 270 1.52 2.46 -346 -55
star trek DA 10 30 60 270 1.34 2.1 -360 180
tmnt 10 35 65 270 1.42 2.25 -352 195
time machine 8 30 80 270 1.3 1.862 -400 200
whirlwind 42 0 0 270 1.82 2.35 -340 430
whitewater 12 30 80 270 1.225 1.95 -253 360

[lolo33]

Thanks Jadflat, have you settings for "The Party Zone" table.

[pinballlooking]

Congo, Thank you JP Salas, great table!!!
Side Note to everyone-- I did make some changes to the volcano to make it taller, its experimental so far, but I changed playfield piece (you can go to these by selecting script, then drop down menu) :
F27 Top, changed to 580 (increase)
F27a "same as above"
F27b "same as above"
F27c "same as above"
Also, lowered flipper strength down to .085 to make shots tougher / table slope to 8

incl- 12
FOV 45
LB 80
xy 270
x 1.32
y 2
x -220
y 550

I am getting a rail on the left hand corner that you cant see in the picture that, needs to be deleted out.

hope you like
Scott
Detroit Pinball

Scott, if everything else looks right and the flippers still look a bit flat, try changing their height and rubber sizes to look the same as the real one.
Settings look pretty good on congo, but the flippers dont match, they look too flat.

Guns 'N' Roses : 10,35,89,270,1.335,1.775,-375,280


Medusa : 2,34,92,270,1.3,1.995,-462,95

I just saw this post and tried the G&R settings big improvement I will have to try some more.
All involved thanks for sharing!

[ced]

The "old" tables FS with this new settings are just AWESOME !!

1st) Thx for this new version of VP9. It's a great updates(I know this version it's not today, same of this topic..,but !!

2nd)Thx to Rawd for launching this topic with your new settings !!

3rd)Thx at all sharing guys !! (particular dedrock for all the new settings)

I have test the new setting on Demolition man and The Shadow. I don't know if it's the good setting for this two tables....but i like it !!

demolition man:9.20.65.270.1,3.1,9.-425.130
the shadow:8.30.60.270.1,29.2.-370.110

this settings are made with this resolution:1920x1080

I not understand why fish tales ,only 1 of inclinaison...maybe because no toys and ramp but i'm not sure..!?

@++
ced

Edited by ced, 10 April 2012 - 01:57 AM.

[ced]

sorry double post

Edited by ced, 10 April 2012 - 01:41 AM.