73 replies to this topic

[Noah Fentz]

When you check/uncheck the HD Render box, are you saving the table and closing VP entirely before running these tables?

[alessio]

Hi Noah, i have windows 7 with ati 4870 graphic card.
Can not disable "HD render box"....
Why?
Because i don't have Nvidia graphic card?

[Noah Fentz]

Did you run the registry fix to enable HD Render permanently?

I think destruk made a batch file to remover it, as well. Run that.

[SuckerFish]

When you check/uncheck the HD Render box, are you saving the table and closing VP entirely before running these tables?

I've done this with my issue and doesn't resolve the glitches. It did however fix the white playfield when loading up the tables the first time like Indiana Jones.

[SuckerFish]

Here are some examples:





The ball is hidden under the glitches most of the time.

Normally I run @ 1920*1200
After testing with some help when running in windowed mode 1280*960 there are no more glitches.
In windowed the highest is 1280*960 and there are no glitches anymore.

[Noah Fentz]

You should never run VP in windowed mode. It will cause rendering issues in MANY tables.

Give 1280x960 Fullscreen a go.

[SuckerFish]

I didn't mention that VP is setup for a 2 monitor cabinet ATM. some tables are liking 1280x960 much better. Diner and Stern Simpsons are still glitching.

[chas]

With VP9 - it looks like the Hardware Render box is only acted on when the table is loaded into the editor. You have a couple of options if you load a table and the graphics are missing, or faded, or look strange.

You can check or uncheck the hardware render box on the properties pane of the table view - then save the table, then close the table and reopen it.
You can add a key to the windows registry to change and set the default preference of the checkbox for any table you load on the pc. To do this, run regedit, go to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Visual Pinball\Player and add a "New DWORD VALUE", name it "HardwareRender". Then right click it, modify the value to 1 for On, or 0 for off. With that key present, vp9.x will select or unselect the hardware render box by default every time you load any table with it.

With or without the key in the registry, the status of the checkbox is saved with any table you save, and that saved value is used on a table by table basis if the registry key isn't available.

If you don't want to add the key manually, you can use the attached file to do it for you - this will ONLY add that one key, with that one setting without changing anything else, and will have absolutely no impact on any other VP versions on your system except for the 9.x ones.

Hardware Rendering does look much better than software rendering IMO - it gets rid of the gray box around the ball image, allows you to use transparency on ramps, smooths and refines side wall images, and a bunch of other nifty stuff. It was always on for me, so I didn't notice any issues before.

I would like to thank Noah for his help getting this tracked down last night.>>..........when i check/uncheck the render box i get an error window...... cant save changes.....any suggestion for this?....

i had graphics trouble and white images.
checking the HDR box did not work.
run 2-3gs higher speed RAM fixed it.

Edited by chas, 11 June 2011 - 10:04 PM.

[donmarko]

His file turns hardware rendering always on. This is why you can't uncheck the box anymore. Thats the wrong thing to do on a PC that can't handle hardware rendering, which from your pics it appears is your problem. Here is the same file with a version to make it always on or off , which you can try.


Note that destruk's hardware rendering always on fix above should only be run after you have tried many tables with VP9, and enabled the hardware rendering box, saved the table, close the table and re-load and play, and confirmed that it works, and you really want hardware rendering to be always on. This might be a good warning to put into the initial post.

I can't use hardware rendering on any of my 3 PCs, and none of them have any of the problems you listed, I have dozens of tables all working great in VP9. I like the transparency on ramps and have used it on many. Strange?

I used your fix & now hardware rendering is always of.This has fixed the problem.
Cactus Canyon, The Who´s Tommy, Jungle Lord & Pinbot are playing perfectly & the problem with the grafics disapeared.
I´m using an ATI Radeon express 200 with XP/SP3.
One question though:
Is there a way I can go back to the original situation so that I would be again able to check/ uncheck "hardware rendering" manually in the VP9 editor?

THank you very much for your help.

Is it safe to delete this registry key (will i than have: select on and off hd render)? In all my vp9 (9.7) tables are fine but pinballs (left and right disappears and shows)? thx in advance!

Edited by donmarko, 20 March 2010 - 10:53 PM.

[donmarko]

His file turns hardware rendering always on. This is why you can't uncheck the box anymore. Thats the wrong thing to do on a PC that can't handle hardware rendering, which from your pics it appears is your problem. Here is the same file with a version to make it always on or off , which you can try.


Note that destruk's hardware rendering always on fix above should only be run after you have tried many tables with VP9, and enabled the hardware rendering box, saved the table, close the table and re-load and play, and confirmed that it works, and you really want hardware rendering to be always on. This might be a good warning to put into the initial post.

I can't use hardware rendering on any of my 3 PCs, and none of them have any of the problems you listed, I have dozens of tables all working great in VP9. I like the transparency on ramps and have used it on many. Strange?

I used your fix & now hardware rendering is always of.This has fixed the problem.
Cactus Canyon, The Who´s Tommy, Jungle Lord & Pinbot are playing perfectly & the problem with the grafics disapeared.
I´m using an ATI Radeon express 200 with XP/SP3.
One question though:
Is there a way I can go back to the original situation so that I would be again able to check/ uncheck "hardware rendering" manually in the VP9 editor?

THank you very much for your help.

Is it safe to delete this registry key (will i than have: select on and off hd render)? In all my vp9 (9.7) tables are fine but pinballs (left and right disappears and shows)? thx in advance!

I deleted key now i can check on or off hd render and seems all fine (win 7)

[Green909]

MISSING FLIPPERS / GRAPHICS

Hello. First I want to thank every person who posted recommendations, they are all very helpful. I'd like to share a solution for missing flippers/ball, etc ... that I found worked for me when these others did not. My card does not support AGP and turning off hardware alone did not do the trick, but with many thanks to those of you who also suggested disabling direct draw as a possible solution, I have found that using both of these options together worked perfectly and I now can enjoy VP9!

This is not original advice - I am only putting together the two steps that worked for me when all else failed - I just want to be as helpful for a new person as all of you have been for me.


STEP 1: V9 SETTINGS (BY TABLE)

LAUNCH - VP9
OPEN - VP9 TABLE
SELECT - OPTIONS
TURN OFF - HARDWARE RENDERING
SAVE - TABLE
CLOSE - TABLE
EXIT - VP9

STEP 2: DIRECT X (9C) SETTINGS

SELECT - START (WINDOWS)
SELECT - RUN
ENTER - DXDIAG.EXE
SELECT - RUN (OK)
SELECT - DISPLAY TAB
LOCATE - DX FEATURES
DISABLE - DIRECT DRAW ACCELERATION
MINIMIZE - DX DIAG

STEP 3: PLAY!

LAUNCH - VP9
OPEN - VP9 TABLE
SELECT - PLAY

STEP 4: ENABLE DIRECT DRAW (DONE)

EXIT VP9
MAXIMIZE - DX DIAG
ENABLE - DIRECT DRAW ACCELERATION
EXIT - DX DIAG


Again, I just wanted to thank the community. This is my first experience with VP and from all I have read this forum is one of the best for helpfulness and great attitudes all around.

GREEN909

"Hello, I am GREEN909, and I am addicted to COMET/CYCLONE pinball ..."

[mpeman]

Wow, what a difference.
I can see the flippers and targets. you guys are great.

[niliang]

if i enable hardware render on the Road Show jpsalas 1.0 tables, the flippers became ghosts! they appear only if i flip them. Someone with the same problem?

[chas]

Hi Noah, i have windows 7 with ati 4870 graphic card.
Can not disable "HD render box"....
Why?
Because i don't have Nvidia graphic card?

to naling.
909-912 are global.
open any of these.
in the video toolbar there will be the HDR box.
check or uncheck, close and restart or there might be an error.
close and restart after playing a table
dont go table to table without closing and restart.
you might get an "offscreen z surface" error.
the video mem overloaded.

alessio.
if having graphics trouble and white images on the table you might need to invest in 2-3gs of higher speed RAM.
RAM is not all the same.
the maker puts the cheap RAM in at the time because it is cheap and keeps the price down.
installing the better RAM could easily jump the price $100 and more.
do it yourself.

DDR2 and DDR3 are not the same.
make sure you get the correct RAM and higher speed for that PC.

Edited by chas, 10 June 2011 - 12:49 AM.

[niliang]

909-912 of what? i don't understand! how can i do?

Edited by niliang, 11 June 2011 - 12:46 PM.

[maceman]

niliang,

He is talking about the version numbers of VP 9.09 to 9.12

9.12 is what we are using now, but globalsettings can be changed in these versions.

Maceman

[Lysurgeon]

i cant get the flippers or table lights to show with HR on....if i turn HR off, i get all graphics, butt it looks crappier and runs stuttery....

[Lysurgeon]

i cant get the flippers or table lights to show with HR on....if i turn HR off, i get all graphics, butt it looks crappier and runs stuttery....

my specs

Processor 1 ID = 0
Name AMD Athlon II X2 220
Codename Regor
Specification AMD Athlon™ II X2 220 Processor
Package Socket AM3 (938)
Core Speed 2812.5 MHz
Multiplier x FSB 14.0 x 200.9 MHz
HT Link speed 2009.0 MHz
Stock frequency 2800 MHz
L1 Data cache 2 x 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 2 x 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 2 x 512 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size
Northbridge AMD 780G rev. 00
Southbridge AMD SB700 rev. 00
Memory Type DDR3
Memory Size 4096 MBytes
Channels Dual, (Unganged)
Memory Frequency 669.7 MHz (3:10)
CAS# latency (CL) 9.0
RAS# to CAS# delay (tRCD) 9
RAS# Precharge (tRP) 9
Cycle Time (tRAS) 24
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 33
Command Rate (CR) 1T
Uncore Frequency 2009.0 MHz

Memory SPD
DIMM # 1
SMBus address 0x52
Memory type DDR3
Module format UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) ASint Technology (7F7F7F7F7F7FC100)
Size 2048 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3-10700 (667 MHz

DIMM # 2
SMBus address 0x53
Memory type DDR3
Module format UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID) ASint Technology (7F7F7F7F7F7FC100
Size 2048 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3-10700 (667 MHz
Display adapter 0
Name AMD 760G
Memory size 256 MB
GPU ref clock 27000

[chas]

dont have time to read the entire thread.

i ve been telling you its the RAM.
i had the same.
problems with graphics, white washed, HD box, HR(high res) tables did not work and Z errors.
installed 2-3gs of higher speed RAM 4600-6400 fixed it.

Edited by chas, 27 June 2011 - 07:58 AM.

[GSGregg]

Four gigs of PC10700 DDR3 667MHz would seem to take care of size and speed, but your (maximum allocated?) shared RAM of 256MB is a far cry from today's recommended 1GB---plus, the 760G chipset uses AMD's Radeon HD3000 IGP operating at only 350MHz; compare that to the 500MHz and up on available discreet cards and you'll get the picture. Of course, you can install an HD3450 and run Hybrid Graphics to get a performance boost, but there are non-Hybrid cards that will probably exceed that performance without using the IGP (maybe rob046 will weigh in on this?)

Thanks to Wikipedia's article, AMD 700 Chipset Series---although they cite its being out of date, and "Public documentation is not available yet".