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[Armyaviation]

anyone having issues with gottlieb system 1 and 80 games after vpx/vpinmame update,  assuming i have a problem with gts1.vbs.  have all roms and they always worked.  remember had this issue years ago and cant remember the fix

 

 

Fixed with updated rom package

Edited by Armyaviation, 11 February 2025 - 02:16 AM.

[Thalamus]

That's you problem, there has been new and improved dumps. So, yes, if you have old pinmame and upgrade, You will have to ask around for new roms or new dump files that you can apply yourself.

 

Update : Ups, something got screwed up in my edit. Meant to say. Updating pinmame, there is your problem. See that you found what's needed. Good. If not, just ask.

Edited by Thalamus, 11 February 2025 - 04:08 PM.

[digitalarts]

Hi Armyaviation,

I'm glad to could help, perhaps...   and happy birthday !

i got a gift for you...

Edited by digitalarts, 11 February 2025 - 08:42 AM.

[eiserne_maske]

using vpinmame 3.6 final caused new problems with gottlieb roms (same with vpx72 or vpx80). shown in the picture is the charlies angels table (vpx72 4.0 / vpx80 5.5) - same issue for both releases.

 

i actually have a weird, overlapped numberfield with pin dmd. it doesnt show the correct counter digits while playing. i already updated to the latest gottlieb roms as mentioned in the forum lately. it works fine with i.e. amazing spiderman.

 

i had the exact same issue with black hole. i could manage to switch to another rom : blckhol7s, which gives me 7digits now and there you go.

 

however its a different thing with charlies angels, because it appears to be there is only one rom for this table: "charlies.zip". any chance to also change this in a 7digits solution with another rom? or at least restore the counter for the pin dmd with 6digits with the current rom?

 

 

 

[Thalamus]

 

Pinmame 64 Only - 3.7.0.32 - seems ok to me.

[eiserne_maske]

okay... until now 3.6.0.1227 on github was the latest for me? 

[eiserne_maske]

that´s the score when starting over:

 

and this the score while playing:

for me it´s not a vpinmame issue, it´s more like don´t getting a reset for whatever reason.

did u screenshot your score after playing or just after starting over the game?

as mentioned i could fix this problem in blackhole with a different ROM. however there is no other ROM for charlies angels.

[Thalamus]

I took it only directly from pinmame, testing the rom, showing an old score. The version I used is close to latest. But, some releases back because of sticky flippers. 

If pinmame says the rom is ok, then it should be. But, I would almost always recommend going for the latest. It is quite seldom that pinmame introduces new bugs.

 

Always ... use pinmame to check if you're rom is up to snuff. Without a working pinmame, everything else might not work as intended.

 

https://github.com/v...ment-2871003335

 

Recommend that you get your roms from VPU btw. Carney rebuilds and updates the roms over there. Here, they are pretty static and like what the thread hints about,

there where changes to several Gottlieb rom sets a while back.

Edited by Thalamus, 21 May 2025 - 11:38 AM.

[eiserne_maske]

i have to open this up again because the problem with certain Gottlieb ROMS isnt solved yet.

 

after getting the latest ROMS update at VPU the issue is still up: the digits of the score dont work properly. its like the 000000 score doesnt gate a reset at the start of the game. i have this problem with CHARLIES ANGELS, and now with GENIE, see blurry picture. got the latest VPM and the ROMS in the tests are ok for both pins.

 

as an example from the bally  fathom, its about the GOTTlieb ROMs, however there is only one ROM either for CA and for GENIE. any ideas?

 

[Gorgarspeaks28]

I have the same issue on some Gottlieb tables.

They error out or load sideways smaller than they should be 

Charlies Angles

Close Encounters

Some other system 80's

Another one is Bally Playboy...

Had it working five years ago before I upgraded

Now nothing... deleted everything... reloaded... 

Still errors out

[Carny_Priest]

If you upgraded to VPinMAME 3.6 then those romsets are likely out of date. Go find the updated A1752CF.bin rom. It would be used in all Gottlieb Sys 1 sets.

[eiserne_maske]

rom file contains the u4_ce.bin, u5_cf.bin, which are 2kb each. appears to be the term for "a1752cf.bin" and "a1753ce.bin". and this is what is similar with all gottlieb sys1-roms

[eiserne_maske]

This is what i found on a PINMAME related site:

 

 

ONLY USE THESE new ROMS IF YOU HAVE VPINMAME V3.6.0-963 BETA or higher:

 

The old versions of these System 1 roms were using a bad "CF" spider chip dump all these years, one byte being $09 where it really is $08. So now the correct one is being used.

 

GTB system 1 and the 6 spider chips, U1 CPU PPS4/2 11660, U4, U5 PPS4/2 Programme ROM, RAM, IO.

 

Note that spider chips U4 U5 contain the game operating system ROM. Each of them contains half the content of the CPU board programme. They must be of the same revision. We recently discovered that A1752-CF and u5_cf.bin from MAME have one byte different at address 0x9A. on the other side A1753-CE and u4_ce.bin are strictly identical.

 

At address 0x00009A: 0x08 0x09

The revision levels that work together are:

 

U4 A1753-CC works with U5 A1752-CD

U4 A1753-CD works with U5 A1752-CE

U4 A1753-CE works with U5 A1752-CF

U4 A1753-EE works with U5 A1752-EF

 

 

Summary of IOL codes

 

IOL code #U Device Type Role

b0110 (0x6) U2 10696 Control P5101 (NVRAM)

b0011 (0x3) U3 10696 Control conf DIP switches

b0100 (0x4) U4 A1753 Solenoid control

b0010 (0x2) U5 A1752 Switch matrix

b1101 (0xD) U6 10788PA Display control

 

[studlygoorite]

You can find the updated ROMs here https://pinballnirva...egories/roms.5/

Edited by studlygoorite, 04 June 2025 - 01:05 PM.

[eiserne_maske]

thank you. meanwhile i was deleting associated .nv and .cfg-files, but unfortunately after downloading and using the new roms the weird score remains 

[Thalamus]

Check registry too. 

 

Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Freeware\Visual PinMame

 

Just rename one rom ... then run it and you COULD now compare the content from the new to the old, if that resolves it.

The rom "default" - is the same that pinmame setup has. It could be that this one is the culprit too. Not very dangerous to rename or delete, it is after all just default that you easily can restore/create via setup.exe or the 64bit version.

Edited by Thalamus, 04 June 2025 - 06:21 PM.

[eiserne_maske]

up to here no solution... needs a lucky hit i guess to get rid off this overlay 

Edited by eiserne_maske, 06 June 2025 - 07:19 AM.

[eiserne_maske]

• some more questions on this topic:

1. Are scripts - like gts1.vbs - also updated with new fixed ROMs? I meanwhile tried a "script-update" also, which didnt really work. also if you change this for example from gts1 to gts3 or sys80, it doesnt work anymore 
2. what are the digits for like "00001430" when loading the vbs file via table-script? are these the dip switches of the ROM?
3. there is also a number at the end of this line i.e. 3.61? what does this mean? version number of VPM?
4. necessarily the scores need a reset or initalization - shouldnt this be done with the "vpm init me" command in the table script?

[makmak]

Hi, sth strange happened to "wipe out" to me yesterday. Havent played it for a while. Now started with 10.8 and updated everything it worked until i quit and restarted it. Now coins are not registered anymore, so you cant get credits and cannot start a game anymore. Deleted nvram, reloadad rom, nothing helps. Any ideas? Thx.

[Thalamus]

https://www.vpforums...s&showfile=1362 ... some nvram needs starter help. If you delete the nvram, then you are back to not having these bootstrapped ones.

This is also why I - do take backups from time to time of my nvram files