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[MrKnister]

but vsync enabled will always wait for vsync, no matter what. so no matter what the counter says, it will be vsync'ed (e.g. matching your monitors refresh rate).

 

hey toxie,

 

just wanted to tell you my findings regarding the micro stutter while using the exclusive fullscreen mode with the latest revisions. you were absolutely right, there wa NO problem with your updates or code changes. you, fuzzel and robx did a great job once again. ..

 

so ... since im always trying to fiddle with any settings i can adjust. i may have done changes which i forgot to revert when they had no positive effect. the problem with the exclusive fullscreen for me was ... NVIDIA FAST SYNC opton which can now be activated without hacks in the nvidia control panel with one of the later driver revs.

 

so .. when the fast sync option is on .. ONLY in exc. fullscreen mode, the vsync is not "nailed" to 60 anymore (which might be normal as per definition maybe) and slight ball stutter appear. even the "-1" setting in the table option seems to have no efect at all anymore. while in the windowed mode this works still perfect (at least to me).

 

so .. reverting nvidia setting back to "controlled by app" i have now once again buttery smooth ball appearance while using the exc. fullscreen option.

 

just wanted to give you some feedback on this .

 

cheers .. and appreciate all of the work y'all guys did in the past !! 

Edited by MrKnister, 19 November 2016 - 04:05 PM.

[gStAv]

Hi MrKnister!

 

Wow! Cool find! I also experienced stuter, especially on multiball and heavy flashing effects during play in exclusive fullscreen.

Thought it was something with my newly installed win10.

 

Tried to fint the "fast sync"-option you talked about to I too could get buttery smooth game experciens. Can not find it though.

Did you mean the "vertical sync"-option, and that one should select the "Use the 3D-aplication setting"?

 

[MrKnister]

Hey gStAv,

 

yeah your absolutely on the right track . just pick the last option in this dropdown box. its simply just called "fast". sorry to be not clear enough in my last post . feel free and try to experiment with it. as far as i remember toxie had high hopes on this technique. just kep in mind that you did change something here to not fell in a trap like i did . with windowed mode i had good results but in fullscreen mode it was counter prductive. good luck and post any findings here please .

 

cheers

[gStAv]

Thanks for the quick reply Knister 

 

I think you meant to turn the fast setting OFF for smooth experience sinve have it ON was even wors than before.

I'm interested in your settings as I too want to have that silky gaming experience in exclusive full screen-mode. I will not play in window mode, ever 

 

Here's my settings, which works ok. have the M*****g LE as a test table which is pretty hard on the system.

 

(It might look a bit strange as I copied the whole list in the 3D settings and pasted it in the picture.)

 

 

Any pointers and from anyone reading would be apprecieated. Want to have the fastest gameplay possible, THEN also have it look good

without beraking its smoothnes 

 

NIVIDIA drivers 375.95

VPX_2_beta_rev2847

vpinmame_2.43b + Latest B2S

Edited by gStAv, 20 November 2016 - 01:33 PM.

[MrKnister]

Hey gStAv,

Yeah absolutely .. i had to Turn the fast Option Off . Regerding some tips for smoother Gameplay .. i think there is a thread in the help section somewhere. Anyway ... You did great Posting your settings but might still Lack the settings in the Table itself, since you can configure things there also. What First came to my mind when looking at your screens, i See that you dont have any Kind of vsync enabled at all. If you did not already Test, Set the vsync in vpx to 1 .. then check with f11 when running the Table that the fps get locked to 60 there also. If not try the options in the Table and Set the to -1 or 60 which should at least work and check with f11 again ... Good luck !!! ... Sorry typing this on my Mobile is a mess

Edited by MrKnister, 20 November 2016 - 05:52 PM.

[DJRobX]

Yah.....now with DJRob's updated PinMAME that allows (with ddraw=0) for proper dmd scaling at any resolution..... I just have ddraw=0 and direct3d=0 for ALL of my VP tables now (VPX in full screen), and it's the default as well for ALL roms. There's no reason to have ddraw=1  anymore, even for vp9 or pm5 in windowed mode.

 

There is a reason to use ddraw = 1 still.  If you have a really large DMD display, and a weak processor, it might cause performance issues.   The new DMD scaling code starts burning CPU exponentially as the display grows.   Still. I think most of us have reasonably powerful dual core or better CPU setups to where this is not really problematic in practical use.    

 

VP is currently single threaded, and VPM is not CPU bound in most cases, so most of us can afford to spend CPU power on the software scaling.   The video quality of Toxie's algorithm is much better than ddraw=1.     Toxie had done some optiimizations I haven't merged yet that I need to look at still too.   

[MrKnister]

Uuuh optimizations i love that word. Really looking Forward too

[Vinthar]

Not sure this wasn't reported already, because I don't follow this tread and it's like 40+ pages long now... but since anniversary update there is problem with VP 10 and windows taskbar in Windows 10 - taskbar is always on top. I crapy-work-arounded it by setting on "hide taskbar in desktop mode" - but it's not long term solution. Some other software I am using that also had this  problem (like attractmode emu frontend for example) have been updated and right now VP 10 is only last remaining program where problem persists. Could you please take a look at it, and fix it if possible?

[fuzzel]

Do you use the latest beta? Toxie changed something regarding mouse cursor and task bar.

[Slydog43]

I have anniversary edition and full screen works fine, where on other arcade machines it does not without updated programs like attractMode FE for mame.  Run latest 10.2 and it should work fine.

[Ark Malmeida]

Is there a way to get earlier versions of the vpx 10.2 beta?  I grabbed the latest yesterday and I'm suddenly experiencing lag.  Probably not related to the latest builid, but I'd love to be able to rule it out.

Edited by Ark Malmeida, 21 November 2016 - 10:05 PM.

[Vinthar]

Using VP 10.2.0 (Revision 2847, 32 bit) - taskbar still on top, problem persist. Not sure it's VP of Vpinmame (I don't have any non-pinmame table to check)... anyway this taskbar drives me crazy!

[Drybonz]

Vinthar, I would recommend running in true fullscreen and you will never have to worry about the taskbar again.

[Knorr]

Using VP 10.2.0 (Revision 2847, 32 bit) - taskbar still on top, problem persist. Not sure it's VP of Vpinmame (I don't have any non-pinmame table to check)... anyway this taskbar drives me crazy!

set the graphic card settings to default and test if it still happens... i had something similar in the past.

[flupper1]

Feature request (maybe a long shot, but I have to try): displacement map
Is it possible to make it possible that you can use a displacement map or the existing normal map for a displacement trick? The thing I really am having a hard time to get looking good is transparent plastic refraction. If a transparent ramp is very transparent, you immediately see that there is no refraction. In blender this is a raytrace function, which is hard/impossible to do in VPX. However, there is a cheap trick maybe: a displace or normal map (texture) which displaces pixels rendered in previous render layers. So first the whole table is rendered (playfield, ligts, primitives), then the displacement or normal map shifts the rendered playfield pixels up/down/left/ right. On top of that I can put the glossy part of a transparent ramp, by using a regular ramp primitive with a transparent texture.
The displacement map would be the simplest (I hope), no calculations, just shifting of pixels. The normal map would require some transform I guess, not sure how that would work.
If I am not making sense, I could make a mockup render/example with a FS playfield view tonight.

Edited by flupper1, 24 November 2016 - 07:19 AM.

[fuzzel]

I'm not 100% sure if that is easily possible but you can send me an example in a PM

just another question: I think what you're after is refraction mapping aren't you? A more detailed explanation for that is given here: http://http.develope..._chapter19.html

Displacement mapping is explained here http://http.develope..._chapter08.html

[flupper1]

I will make an example tonight and PM it to you!

The links are indeed what I was thinking of (did not know this page), I was assuming that a displacement map would be easier. I will make an example of the first link (chapter 19.1 from the first link), using a normal map. 

[flupper1]

I sent Fuzzel a PM, but for all others, this is what I would like to achieve in VPX:

 

This is made in Blender, but not rendered: it is a displacement map for fake refraction, and on top of that a fake glossy texture I made. This is the node setup in Blender:

My node setup is just to show the effect, in VPX this should work with a primitive and a displacement map.

 

If you do not have the fake refraction by a displacement map, the shot looks like a ghost ramp:

 

So if this is possible in VPX, it would make a big difference in visuals! Hope I am not ranting...

[vogliadicane]

^^ makes sense, does actually look A LOT more real.

[Ben Logan]

A few tables are throwing .net framework errors with latest 10.2 and vpinmame from DJRobX (latest Scared Stiff and Adler Stern from another sithe). I believe I have the latest .net framework, and this is the first time I've ever seen these errors.