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[DDH69]

OK, Two things;

 

1. For the Notepad test to work you need to add NUDGE_CHECK_BASIC_KEYBOARD=1 to your INI file.  I've just done it, tests fine with Notepad.  Sorry I missed telling you this before.  The parameter is needed to do the nudge checking if the triggering process is nor FX3.

 

2. To cascade the L-Ctrl and R-Ctrl of your cabinet to FX3 you need to set NUDGE_LEFT_INPUT=A2 and NUDGE_RIGHT_INPUT=A3 in your INI file.  This will not impact the Notepad test

 

Let us know how this goes for you.

[Bartosaurio]

Good afternoon,

 

I did this and worked in Notepad. Then it start working in Pinball FX2. But only if I launch FX2 without PinUp. When I launch the tables with PinUp, it does not work.

 

The log shows that the keystroke was sent but FX2 nor FX3 receive it.

[DDH69]

I don't use PinUp on my pinball cabinet, still toying around with it for my new arcade cabinet.  The inference here is that PinUp is somehow stopping the keystroke placed into the keyboard buffer, odd, but ultimately possible.  It might be worth hopping on the PinUp support thread and asking the question.  If this is the case, I'm sure NailBuster and I can sort it out.

[NailBuster]

PinUP doesn't 'eat' any keys... how would that work if it did, the emulators wouldn't get any keys/button presses if it did.  

 

I'd guess its something else...maybe a windows focus issue of what gets the keys (again, outside of Pinup realm).

[Bartosaurio]

The emulator is receiving the input from the buttons and the keyboard, but not from Doflinx.

 

Any idea on what to test next?

[Spitfire]

@DDH69 hey Mate just cant seem to get nudge to work correctly in fx3. No matter what settings i place for nugde points in ini whether it be -high number of plus highnumber or 0 when in game nudge is always active. Also in joy test after i nudge it the nudge word always is on even at rest??
Have setup with X360ce and all good function wise in that program.
Follow instructions and attached are my doflinx.ini and Joytest screen.

What am i missing? Nudge works as it should in VPX.
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[DDH69]

@DDH69 hey Mate just cant seem to get nudge to work correctly in fx3. No matter what settings i place for nugde points in ini whether it be -high number of plus highnumber or 0 when in game nudge is always active. Also in joy test after i nudge it the nudge word always is on even at rest??
Have setup with X360ce and all good function wise in that program.
Follow instructions and attached are my doflinx.ini and Joytest screen.

What am i missing? Nudge works as it should in VPX.
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Having the nudge point as zero means that any movement is a nudge (you don't want this), so the numbers you want are definitely higher than zero.  The numbers I see on the test screen are fairly high as maximums, but workable.  The nudge triggers when the nudge point is reached.  So on the test screen the max you reached was 21264, if you set the Y nudge point as that number then you would have to nudge the cabinet that hard to trigger the nudge.

 

What device are you getting the nudge input from?  A Pinscape?   If so, has the device been calibrated?

[Spitfire]

I am using a virtuapin board and plunger kit it seems very sensitive when doing the Joytest and even the slightest tap makes the nudge word show up. I have set the nudge points to 10000, 20000 even 100000 and still it want stop the nudge in FX3 from being always active and titting the table making it unplayable. Any thoughts?

[DDH69]

The software is doing what it should by the sounds of it.  Your problem sounds like the sensitivity of the hardware.  Is there some sort of setup process?

[Spitfire]

The software is doing what it should by the sounds of it.  Your problem sounds like the sensitivity of the hardware.  Is there some sort of setup process?

@DDH69 You have said that by putting up nudge point to 21000 that the nudge should not activate however even if i put it up to 30000 or 50000 the nudge is always activating??
I have stopped trying and have it now got it working using the X360ce software and launching with pinballX. Plunger and nudge working now in FX3 as it should.

[Bushav]

Great info!

Edited by Bushav, 19 December 2019 - 10:30 PM.

[stargate66]

Guys:

 

When I set up Pinscape with any keyboard options, the Left Nudge Point stays on a NUDGE state in DOFLinx. Any FX3 table that I start keeps nudging the table until it tilts.

 

No issues when using Pinscape with button options only, its any keyboard key enabled that causes the problem. Any suggestions?

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

DIRECTOUTPUTCONFIG=C:\DirectOutput\config\directoutputconfig.ini
PATH_FX3=C:\DirectOutput\FX3_PUPlayer\
PATH_FX3_B2S=C:\DirectOutput\FX3_B2S\
PATH_B2S_SERVER=C:\Visual Pinball\Tables\
PROCESSES=Pinball FX3
PROCESS_TO_ACTIVE_TIME=1

#L_FLIPPER_KEY=4C
#R_FLIPPER_KEY=52

#MAX_FLIPPER_ON=5000

#KEY_TO_OUTPUT=34,119

NUDGE_CHECK_BASIC_KEYBOARD=1
JOY_PORT=1
JOY_X_OFFSET=32767
JOY_Y_OFFSET=32768
NUDGE_LEFT_POINT=-6500
NUDGE_RIGHT_POINT=6500
NUDGE_FORWARD_POINT=5000
NUDGE_LEFT_KEY=4C
NUDGE_RIGHT_KEY=52
NUDGE_FORWARD_KEY=20

PLUNGER_AXIS=Z
PLUNGER_JOYSTICK_NUMBER=1
PLUNGER_KEY=0D
PLUNGER_PULL_POINT=63000
PLUNGER_RELEASE_POINT=33000

 

[DDH69]

What do you mean by "keyboard options" on the Pinscape?  What are the options you are setting?  What do you see in the test option for determining nudge points in DOFLinx when you use this setup?

[stargate66]

Everything is set as above on my .ini.

 

But When I try setting any keyboard keys vs standard joystick buttons in Pinscape DOFLink then keeps the LEFT NUDGE POINT nudging all the time (it doesn't even flash on and off when I test the joystick in debug.

 

I believe is because Windows then sees Pinscape as a keyboard and not a joystick anymore.

[DDH69]

Windows "sees" the Pinscape as both a keyboard and a joystick when setup with a mixture of key inputs.  The analogue nudge is always a joystick input.  I'm not sure if the joystick # it sees in Windows changes or not - I have never tested that, might be worth a look.

 

I think the first step would be to check at the Windows level if you still have a joystick being recognised by Windows and what number it is.  You can do this via Control Panel.  DoflInx will also report what joysticks it finds upon startup, so you can quit DOFLinx, set your Pinscape as desired then restart DOFLinx.

 

The layers to work through are;

1. Pinscape setup
2. Windows setup
3. DOFLinx test nudge
4. DOFLinx operation nudge

in that order.

[stargate66]

It had to do with Pinscape was set up as Ledwiz 1 (within Pinscape utility) once I changed the setting to Pinscape ID the issue was resolved.

 

Thanks 

[DDH69]

Great news.  Thanks for letting us all know.

[stargate66]

BTW - Hope everyone is OK back home. Stay safe DDH69

[goofything]

Hi all...late to the game here.

 

I am looking to implement analog nudge for FX3. I am using the KL25Z Pinscape as my controller. I don't have anything requiring DOF at this point, just a basic controller with buttons for flippers, etc. and analog nudge in VPX all done through Pinscape.

 

So, my question is, would installing DOF and using the methods described in this thread be the best way to go today to implement analog nudge in FX3, would I be better off going the x360ce route (like say via MajorFrenchy's video) or is there a new, better method people are using now that I just haven't discovered?

 

Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions. I really appreciate all input.

[DDH69]

I am clearly bias in believing the DOFLinx solution to be the way to go, I'll leave it to others to comment on the x360 solution 

 

You don't need any toys setup, nor a full DOF configuration, all you need is the DOF DLL's in and unblocked then the DOFLinx setup.

 

If you setup the DOFLinx solution you can always change later if its not the one for you.