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[haggi]

You can rotate the backglass screen in Windows settings by setting to Portrait or Landscape. Otherwise I don't think possible to rotate the actual backglass like it was a table.

That's exactly my problem. I can't turn anything in the windows settings. With DMD tables it's no problem, I just have to adjust the b2s. Unfortunately I can't play EM tables with this system. I can not have everything.

[strells]

What exactly do you need to fix?  You can use the "small" dimensions for the backglass if you're saying you need that for certain tables.

[wiesshund]

 

You can rotate the backglass screen in Windows settings by setting to Portrait or Landscape. Otherwise I don't think possible to rotate the actual backglass like it was a table.

That's exactly my problem. I can't turn anything in the windows settings. With DMD tables it's no problem, I just have to adjust the b2s. Unfortunately I can't play EM tables with this system. I can not have everything.

 

 

What exactly is it that you are trying to accomplish?

 

You cannot rotate a B2S on a per table basis, but then no one would do that because your physical screen would not rotate on a per table basis either

 

What specifically is it that you are trying to do?
What exactly is it that you cannot do?

 

There is no difference between a EM and an SS table's backglass aside from how the backglass gets the information on what the score display etc is doing
which has nothing at all to do with screen appearances. 

[haggi]

 

 

You can rotate the backglass screen in Windows settings by setting to Portrait or Landscape. Otherwise I don't think possible to rotate the actual backglass like it was a table.

That's exactly my problem. I can't turn anything in the windows settings. With DMD tables it's no problem, I just have to adjust the b2s. Unfortunately I can't play EM tables with this system. I can not have everything.

 

 

What exactly is it that you are trying to accomplish?

 

You cannot rotate a B2S on a per table basis, but then no one would do that because your physical screen would not rotate on a per table basis either

 

What specifically is it that you are trying to do?
What exactly is it that you cannot do?

 

There is no difference between a EM and an SS table's backglass aside from how the backglass gets the information on what the score display etc is doing
which has nothing at all to do with screen appearances. 

 

To the explanation:

 

With my notebook I can rotate the screen with active b2s and play vertically.

Only then is the  keyboard right or left is vertically next to it.

This is not nice and disturbs.

 

I have a Microsoft Surface Book with high screen resolution, Core I7 processor and geforce gtx 1600Ti max q purchased.

Unfortunately, the nvidia driver no longer offers a rotation for this system. :-( I think this is a hardware - driver problem

 

I can of course rotate the table vertically in VPinball only the b2s stays horizontal.

I was hoping there was a way around this problem without having to change every b2s.

DMD can be rotated.

 

 

Nevertheless, it is nice to play horizontally with the book. The tables and b2s look simply great in high resolution and everything runs smoothly. Simply a great gaming experience.

Thanks for your effort

 

 

 

[wiesshund]

 

 

 

You can rotate the backglass screen in Windows settings by setting to Portrait or Landscape. Otherwise I don't think possible to rotate the actual backglass like it was a table.

That's exactly my problem. I can't turn anything in the windows settings. With DMD tables it's no problem, I just have to adjust the b2s. Unfortunately I can't play EM tables with this system. I can not have everything.

 

 

What exactly is it that you are trying to accomplish?

 

You cannot rotate a B2S on a per table basis, but then no one would do that because your physical screen would not rotate on a per table basis either

 

What specifically is it that you are trying to do?
What exactly is it that you cannot do?

 

There is no difference between a EM and an SS table's backglass aside from how the backglass gets the information on what the score display etc is doing
which has nothing at all to do with screen appearances. 

 

To the explanation:

 

With my notebook I can rotate the screen with active b2s and play vertically.

Only then is the  keyboard right or left is vertically next to it.

This is not nice and disturbs.

 

I have a Microsoft Surface Book with high screen resolution, Core I7 processor and geforce gtx 1600Ti max q purchased.

Unfortunately, the nvidia driver no longer offers a rotation for this system. :-( I think this is a hardware - driver problem

 

I can of course rotate the table vertically in VPinball only the b2s stays horizontal.

I was hoping there was a way around this problem without having to change every b2s.

DMD can be rotated.

 

 

Nevertheless, it is nice to play horizontally with the book. The tables and b2s look simply great in high resolution and everything runs smoothly. Simply a great gaming experience.

Thanks for your effort

 

 

 

 

 

i do not exactly follow, but windows display settings offer the option to change screen orientation

 

B2S has no means of rotation though

 

Windows 11 but it is similar in Windows 10 and 7

[xenonph]

Have you tried the FSS tables? There is a huge collection of them out there.

They are made for 1 screen use and will have the backglass in correct orientation above table.

[wiesshund]

Yea FSS is great

If they were not so much of a pain in the ass to do, i would make more of them

 

This is i think what he is trying to do, but if you rotates the screen orientation in windows, it should work fine?
It does here anyways

[haggi]

Have you tried the FSS tables? There is a huge collection of them out there.

They are made for 1 screen use and will have the backglass in correct orientation above table.

Yes, we can play FSS, Hybrid, VR Rooms Table on a vertical screen without any problems. This is true and it is great.yes,

[haggi]

Yea FSS is great

If they were not so much of a pain in the ass to do, i would make more of them

 

This is i think what he is trying to do, but if you rotates the screen orientation in windows, it should work fine?
It does here anyways

 

Yes, windows display settings allows rotation but when vpinball is applied to the faster graphics card
(whose drivers do not allow rotation) the screen is rotated horizontally again.
This annoys me a little and I had hoped to solve my problem differently.

 

 

There is always a solution

[wiesshund]

 

Yea FSS is great

If they were not so much of a pain in the ass to do, i would make more of them

 

This is i think what he is trying to do, but if you rotates the screen orientation in windows, it should work fine?
It does here anyways

 

Yes, windows display settings allows rotation but when vpinball is applied to the faster graphics card
(whose drivers do not allow rotation) the screen is rotated horizontally again.
This annoys me a little and I had hoped to solve my problem differently.

 

 

There is always a solution

 

 

set that card as your primary video device so that windows uses it as your desktop, and you should be able to rotate the desktop?

[haggi]

Thanks to all who tried to help me

 

I have learned that the drivers of convertible notebooks with nvidia graphics cards do not offer the rotation.

There should be a way to unlock it in the driver, but I don't know yet how and if that will work then

But that probably does not belong in this treat

 

I consider my problem solved for the time being

[wryker]

For this new version - what does "Add ROMName call" mean?

I don't use separate LEDs so I'm not sure if I need to upgrade to this latest version.

[xenonph]

The RomName was specifically added and is made to work with alias named tables.

Toxie updated the core.vbs to use the nvoffset command, but needed to also update the Backglass Server, to cover the errors created when having B2S enabled.

[wryker]

Thank you. I have set up a bunch of my tables w/NVOffset so I may update this though I have not encountered any errors.

[xenonph]

You would only encounter those errors, if you have the latest beta core.vbs.

[wryker]

You would only encounter those errors, if you have the latest beta core.vbs.

Thank you for responding! In that case, I'll hold off.

[jarr3]

I have been trying the "small" button feature lately.I want to use it with my mini 2 Screen cab for something it wasn't initially intended for...

Instead of adding borders around the back glass, I want to switch the grill, for the tables which does not include a grill in the back glass.

 

I have different screenres files pointing to different background pictures with different grill types:

 

1920
1080
1280
1024
1
1920
0
0
0
0
0
0
1920
0
1280
730
C:\Background\GrillBackground1280x720.png

For JPSalas Attack from Mars LE:

 

 

 

And for the normal "Attack from Mars (Bally 1995)" I have a more slim grill.

1920
1080
1280
1024
1
1920
0
667
132
2229
842
0
1921
0
1280
827
C:\Background\SlimGrillBackground.png

 

 

And now I wanted to do the same for Tables with PuP Videos (I know it is not meant to be used this way?). But when I try the same with for example GOTG:

 

1920
1080
1280
1024
1
1920
0
0
0
0
0
0
1920
0
1280
620
C:\Background\SpikeGrill.png

 

 

No matter what I do, the Backglass is put on top, even when I tell it to not to:

  <gotg>
    <HideGrill>1</HideGrill>
    <HideB2SDMD>0</HideB2SDMD>
    <HideDMD>2</HideDMD>
    <LampsSkipFrames>1</LampsSkipFrames>
    <SolenoidsSkipFrames>3</SolenoidsSkipFrames>
    <GIStringsSkipFrames>3</GIStringsSkipFrames>
    <LEDsSkipFrames>0</LEDsSkipFrames>
    <UsedLEDType>0</UsedLEDType>
    <IsGlowBulbOn>1</IsGlowBulbOn>
    <GlowIndex>-1</GlowIndex>
    <StartAsEXE>1</StartAsEXE>
    <StartBackground>1</StartBackground>  <--- "Small" turned on
    <FormToFront>0</FormToFront>          <--- "Bring BG Form to Top" turned off
    <Animations />
  </gotg>

If I kill the B2S Process, I can see the pup underneath. Is is maybe because of the "Small" button feature (StartBackground)?

 

Any ideas appreciated

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•  GrillBackground1280x720.png   217.36KB   3 downloads
•  SlimGrillBackground.png   220.56KB   3 downloads
•  SpikeGrill.png   103.83KB   3 downloads

Edited by jarr3, 06 March 2022 - 05:22 PM.

[Outhere]

Try changing the backglass size then use the offset so it will be in the right position

[jarr3]

Try changing the backglass size then use the offset so it will be in the right position

It will not work, as you see the grill is also on top. Behind it, I placed the FullDMD in the right position, but I need radar eyes to see it. If I kill the B2S BG Server, I can see the Full DMD is in the right spot.

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[jarr3]

And now I wanted to do the same for Tables with PuP Videos (I know it is not meant to be used this way?). But when I try the same with for example GOTG:

 

1920
1080
1280
1024
1
1920
0
0
0
0
0
0
1920
0
1280
620
C:\Background\SpikeGrill.png

 

 

 

No matter what I do, the Backglass is put on top, even when I tell it to not to:

  <gotg>
    <HideGrill>1</HideGrill>
    <HideB2SDMD>0</HideB2SDMD>
    <HideDMD>2</HideDMD>
    <LampsSkipFrames>1</LampsSkipFrames>
    <SolenoidsSkipFrames>3</SolenoidsSkipFrames>
    <GIStringsSkipFrames>3</GIStringsSkipFrames>
    <LEDsSkipFrames>0</LEDsSkipFrames>
    <UsedLEDType>0</UsedLEDType>
    <IsGlowBulbOn>1</IsGlowBulbOn>
    <GlowIndex>-1</GlowIndex>
    <StartAsEXE>1</StartAsEXE>
    <StartBackground>1</StartBackground>  <--- "Small" turned on
    <FormToFront>0</FormToFront>          <--- "Bring BG Form to Top" turned off
    <Animations />
  </gotg>

If I kill the B2S Process, I can see the pup underneath. Is is maybe because of the "Small" button feature (StartBackground)?

 

Any ideas appreciated

 

 

I managed to compile the B2S Backglass Server myself, and the binary still worked well. 

 

Thanks @toxie for moral support: (translated by me):

in the end you only need Visual Studio (2022 should work, 2019 and before are tested) and that's it

 

 

It actually was that easy,
1. download VS 2019 Community edition (**** Update I can confirm that VS 2022 works as well, but it wants to upgrade the project files to use .NET 4.8 instead of 4.0 ***)

2. open the solution files

3. and then build it.

I have been a developer since early 90's, but first time with these things 

 

So end of long story. I managed to update the B2S Server so that when it is using the "small" button feature (adding a picture to the background):

 

Now you will still see any PuP Videos you have running, mixed with the B2S Backglass as well as the background picture. I like the outcome:

 

 

I hope you like it as well. I think it is not only of interest for 2 screen setup's? I will work with toxie on how we should merge my code if there is interest.

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•  B2SnewVersion.png   565.07KB   3 downloads

Edited by jarr3, 13 March 2022 - 04:38 PM.