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[ICPjuggla]

Seems only you both still have ledcontrol.vbs and have issues, it doesn't seem like a coincidence, there are no disadvantage to upgrade to dof, or even just try it

Did you read my post above?

Will I lose the led bells and whistles if I don't use a db2s backglass? I have to use static backglass's or uvp on some tables b/c of stutter db2s causes.

[mukuste]

Why would I disable the ledwiz? I have it on for my lights and shaker motor on my cab. It just doesn't make seance and seem like a viable solution, I installed the lights and shaker motor to actually use it. What has changed b/c it works fine under 921 and not 990.

 

The point is to figure out where the problem lies. If you get all aggressive and don't help debug the problem, we're not getting anywhere.

[ICPjuggla]

Didn't realize I was getting aggressive. My bad and not my intention. I'm just pulling out my hair to upgrade my system and don't remember having all the issues 2 or 3 years ago setting up my cab.

UW's Fire! works and isn't set to work with the Ledwiz so I'm assuming that's the problem.

[luvthatapex]

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Why would I disable the ledwiz? I have it on for my lights and shaker motor on my cab. It just doesn't make seance and seem like a viable solution, I installed the lights and shaker motor to actually use it. What has changed b/c it works fine under 921 and not 990.

 

The point is to figure out where the problem lies. If you get all aggressive and don't help debug the problem, we're not getting anywhere.

 

 

I agree. I wanted to figure it out before going to directoutput (dof). Seems something changed in the initialization of the flashers. I don't know why vp990 would have anything to do with this, which it shouldn't. So here is the latest ledcontrol.vbs if you want to analyse it and try it. I will try it when I have time.

 

 

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[arngrim]

ledcontrolv.247 has very little changes compared to 245, it's only for a better recognizing of the roms and that's all if i remember

 

for sure, uvp can creates stutter, ledcontrol also, and a combination of both is disastrous

 

just try a table which is causing problems with dof, and db2s (in exe mode) and see if you have a difference

[arngrim]

And it is possible to use dof without a db2s backglass

[ICPjuggla]

ledcontrolv.247 has very little changes compared to 245, it's only for a better recognizing of the roms and that's all if i remember
 
for sure, uvp can creates stutter, ledcontrol also, and a combination of both is disastrous
 
just try a table which is causing problems with dof, and db2s (in exe mode) and see if you have

  

Surprisingly uvp has never given me problems..

And it is possible to use dof without a db2s backglass

I'll make the switch and try dof tonight.

How do I get it to work without db2s?

Edited by ICPjuggla, 02 July 2014 - 03:12 PM.

[arngrim]

To be more precise you still need b2s.server, but there is an option to disable errors on b2s.server gui , so you can afford to not have a bg with b2s.server

[ICPjuggla]

Since I added this file to my tables folder I've had problems

ledcontrol.nofeedback.ini

When did this file become necessary?

If I take this file out of my tables folder 990 works.

[arngrim]

It is not necessary, If you use dof, go to my account page of configtool, choose dof framework instead of legacy, and you will have directoutputconfig.ini files, so you can remove all lc ini and the lc vbs as well

[luvthatapex]

Since I added this file to my tables folder I've had problems

ledcontrol.nofeedback.ini

When did this file become necessary?

If I take this file out of my tables folder 990 works.

 

ledcontrol.ini is the file that has all of the names of the tables and settings for your config of your flashers/colors, etc.

This file and ledcontrol.nofeedback.ini are created when you create a ledwiz config on the "other site".

The nofeedback file is if you are running a cab without feedback devices and only flashers (like me).

 

you have to rename ledcontrol.nofeedback.ini to ledcontol.ini and the ledwiz will read the tables and initialize your flashers.
 
 

[ICPjuggla]

LTA when I remove ledcontrol.nofeedback.ini 990 works.

I'm still leaving ledcontrol.ini file in the tables folder, I'm only removing the ledcontrol.nofeedback.ini

[arngrim]

guys, if you have only flashers on your config, the feedback and nofeedback ini are the same

 

when you switch to dof, you must remove or rename ledcontrol.vbs or you will have dof and ledcontrol working at the same time.

 

And if you have ledcontrol ini and directouput ini in the same folder, dof is clever enough to use directouptut ini only

[luvthatapex]

ok, excellent! I wonder if somehow the nofeedback.ini got in my folder too.

 

hmmf, but yet vp921 doesn't care, why does vp990? I will check when I to my cab.

 

LTA when I remove ledcontrol.nofeedback.ini 990 works.

I'm still leaving ledcontrol.ini file in the tables folder, I'm only removing the ledcontrol.nofeedback.ini

arngrim, I hope this isn't bugging you with all of the talk going back and forth with the ledwiz files, but we are just trying to figure out why this happened.

It just doesn't make sense why every table works with vp921 and as soon as both of us tried vp990 all tables crash.

 

I agree, DOF seems like the way to go forward, and I am definately looking forward to better performance, but I would like to get vp990 working on my cab with the ledwiz files so I can have a baseline to see how much better DOF is when I replace them

 

 

 

 

guys, if you have only flashers on your config, the feedback and nofeedback ini are the same

 

when you switch to dof, you must remove or rename ledcontrol.vbs or you will have dof and ledcontrol working at the same time.

 

And if you have ledcontrol ini and directouput ini in the same folder, dof is clever enough to use directouptut ini only

Edited by luvthatapex, 02 July 2014 - 04:36 PM.

[85vett]

ICPJuggla and luvthatapex- DOF should help you a whole lot with your stutter problem.  I don't know all the tech stuff but when I made the switch I noticed a larger improvement in how things ran.  I think the old ledwiz function along with the UVP just was to resource heavy.  I can understand the desire to figure out what the problem may be but I really think the old ledwiz tool will share the same fate as a floppy disk.  This new DOF program is by far the superior program.  On top of that you have a lot more features you can use light fading lights.  Really cool stuff.

I agree, DOF seems like the way to go forward, and I am definately looking forward to better performance, but I would like to get vp990 working on my cab with the ledwiz files so I can have a baseline to see how much better DOF is when I replace them

 

 

For your baseline just use the old VP..  I don't recall if I even showed an improvement in FPS but stutter is a thing of the past even when you've got the active backlass going on, lights and flashers going, solenoids popping with MB going.  No drop at all.

[ICPjuggla]

Okay, turns out removing the one file ledcontrole.onfeedback.ini dose not help at all.. Tables running the led legacy still crash with the line one issue.

Removing both the ledcontrole.ini and the ledcontrole.onfeedback.ini the tables work as intended. No crash no problems

So is this an ledcontrole issue or a 9.9.0 issue?

In 9.2.1 all tables work with and without the two files. It seems 9.9.0 is causing something to go wrong with the ledcontrole files or vice versa..

Hmmmmmmm, I'm stumped even more.. lol :-)

[The Loafer]

I know it was said that db2s was causing you stutter and that's why you went to a static backglass ICPJ, but when you finally get the chance to try db2s, your headaches with this issue will go away quickly and you will be kicking yourself for waisting so much time. If you were able to use UVP, there's no way DOF will cause more stutter. This isn't a message that UVP sucks it certainly does not and there's a few backglass I remember keeping because I thought the UVP looked better. However, for pure performance, there is NO comparison.

If you had stutter before, just ensure when you try it this time that you set all the backglass to default to exe mode, that should do the trick.

What exactly are your pc specs?

[ICPjuggla]

Loafer

I run db2s already, and get stutter with it on some tables and not others.. I have to be selective with it..

It's weird as I have a pretty powerful rig.

ASUS Sabertooth X58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600Mhz Desktop Memory
2x EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1372-AR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Cards
Rosewill BRONZE Series RBR1000-M 1000W PSU
Windows XP

40" playing field Samsung LED TV
17" DMD old monitor from an old computer
27" Asus LED monitor

Parts:
iPac 2
Shaker motor
Led-wiz
Dual H-Bridge
4 channel relay board
Led light kit for flippers
Flexible Led strips for the bottom of the cab (wired parallel to the flippers)
3; mercury switches (for left,center,right nudge)
4; 140mm fans
2; 80mm fans
Logitech 2.1 speaker system
12V, 12.5A Mean Well power supply
IEC power jack
3; 12 position terminal block strips
Sunbeam Rheobus Extreme (powering the 6 fans)
In-desk USB hub 2"
Smart strip 10-outlet

[The Loafer]

Let us help you sort out the issue ICPJ, as that's all this was, an issue preventing db2s from working as it should. You are right, that is a decent rig, the only thing that worries me is the SLI configuration because some members have said on some rigs sometimes SLI cards can have a little stutter (but others are fine so who knows?).

 

As I mentioned earlier, one of the big things with db2S is that for many people, you need to run the backglasses in exe mode, so if that's not something you've tried, I figure that would do the trick.  As well, there are a few db2s out there that are a little bit pushing the hardware but in all cases I've come across, there's been another version that available somewhere that has resolved the issue.  What I would suggest is, if you can find the time to try reinstalling it, ensure you put it in exe mode, give it a try and for a table that you find has some stutter issue, let us test that same table and see if we can figure out the issue.

[arngrim]

ledcontrol was nice, but is using a nasty and heavy method to catch events, basically, every 60 ms, it checks which sols and switches are active, and if they are mapped, ledwiz fire them.
this 60 ms has also the negative effect that if a switch was briefly active BETWEEN these 60 ms checks, ledcontrol will simply not be able to see it.
on the other hand, all the dof mappings are acting like listeners, so when a certain solenoid is active and is mapped in dof, it will naturally flow at the speed of 1 ms.
and dof can handle hundreds of thousand events at the same time without stutters!
finally some say dof is quicker than ledcontrol, in fact it is just that it is in sync