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[jpsalas]

I'm trying to fix the errors with the ball getting stuck in different places, thanks to all who sent me reports and pictures where the ball got stuck.
Also the code for the analog plunger isn't working.
The flippers aren't so bad, but maybe I'll just increase a little bit the strength, but not much. I guess it depends of the preferences. The table should be hard, so I didn't went for the easiest flipper settings.
I had a funny thing while playing (look at the picture): I shot the ball from the left flipper, the ball hit the rubber behind the target (since the target was down), then the ball jumped into the air and landed on the left ramp and it moved down the ramp and into the lock. I didn't know the ball could jump like this, then it is not strange that the ball gets stuck in many places smile.gif

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Well, I'll see if I find a solution for the problems, and I'll make an update.

JP

[Sabbat]

The flippers are already powerful enough.

What you should try is lowering the dampering speed. 65 is just too high for a playfield with such little space.

Edited by Sabbat, 30 April 2011 - 12:30 PM.

[jpsalas]

But if you lower much the dampening speed then the ball won't go up the ramps. Anyway, the dampening speed is just the max speed the ball can get.

[Sabbat]

But if you lower much the dampening speed then the ball won't go up the ramps. Anyway, the dampening speed is just the max speed the ball can get.

Yeah i know, its just something me and Bob5453 have been experimenting with. For EM's and early SS tables a lower speed is better I think. Bob suggested dampering speed of 45 on Radical, i haven't tryed it. Seems lower then what i prob would of had it

[Sabbat]

I crash landed on my skateboard JP. The red line shows the path of the balls bounce

[jpsalas]

Update 1.01
- build extra high wall around the snake lock (left side of the table) to prevent balls jumping into the plastics and getting stuck.
- rebuild the wall around the center hole.
- build an extra wall at the bottom of the blue ramp.
- made the flipper a little bit stronger, not much. Just 0,01 more, nearly nothing actually
- fixed the analog plunger subs. Now they should work better. Thanks Hernán for testing the plunger.

I'm not sure if the walls will keep the ball from getting stuck, but lets hope it works better now.
The analog plunger should display better the animation now. Now, I cannot test the strength of the plunger, but Hernán told me that the analog plunger seems to have the same strength from the half position to the end position. So if some of you have the analog plunger and want to test a few values then please be welcome to share your findings (I guess this is more for the FS version )

Greetings
JP

[ta2686]

Thanks for the update JP!

[bladexdsl]

gah so many ramps so hard to see

[rob046]

But if you lower much the dampening speed then the ball won't go up the ramps. Anyway, the dampening speed is just the max speed the ball can get.

I thought the flipper strength was fine. My issues were with the elasticity (too high), flipper arc (distance between start & end angle was too short), & then after adjusting that stuff I found bumping the upper left flipper to the right a tad really helped.
Before doing this, I also had issues where the ball would slow down going up the "bust a move" ramp & not make it up. But it wasn't a flipper strength issue, maybe that sharp curve has some issues in VP, maybe it is the overlap of ramps there or the side ramp decal interfering with ball speed? Maybe something that can be fixed?
Though my adjustment on the up left flipper helped cure this & get more torque on the ball on a fast right orbit shot feed, it should still be a smoother shot & easier for the ball to get up there.

Also some other notes. The "Vertical" ramp, this ramp should be open ended enough that a slow ramp shot can make the ball fall off of it. Think Hurricane & how its ramp does the same thing on that ramp that goes over top the flippers, except here on the vert ramp the spot where the ball most often falls is near the left slingshot.

Same deal with the left (blue) ramp. I believe a good chunk on the right side of this ramp is also open ended. I have pics here that show where a weak shot would fall off & into the bumper area. In fact, the plastics to the left of the bumpers even have an extra clear protector on them just for this reason, for when the ball falls off onto that area.

I might have some other notes here but want to play this newer version first.
Again, great work everybody on this table, it has me interested enough that I care about getting it to play as well as possible! While its not one of my fav tables in real life, I do think it can make for a fun VP table & give it a 2nd life, as it is rare to come across one of these in real life w/ the limited production run.
Not to mention that this is the prototype Radical! Which is super rare, but I do think the prototype is a bit better than the regular version thanks to the snake shot subway. Though I can imagine some people may not like that subway there because it slows down the flow of the game. However that shot isn't made very often, so I think its fine.

JP, I wanted to ask. Do you build the ramps & test them with the slider all the way right? It seems like you might, because when you move the slider left, more & more gaps appear. I'm wondering that if you built the ramps with the slider all the way left, or halfway, & got them to render perfectly at those settings, then the ramps might look better no matter where the slider is.

Edited by rob046, 30 April 2011 - 11:52 PM.

[mach2]

thanks jpsalas, Grizz, hassanchop,
beautiful! and awesome work!! never played this table in the real life

[jpsalas]

Usually I built the ramps with the slider halfway, but win7 is playing tricks on me and yesterday I found out I had the slider all the way to the right. Win7 from time to time restores the program states to an older date, and I mostly detect this with photoshop which sometimes has all the settings restored to its defaults. Anyway from this table on I use the transparent ramps for decoration only, and the real ramps are invisible, this way I can be sure the ramps don't get holes so the ball can't fall down to the playfield.

About the ramps which are open: I don't think you want the ball to fall down from the ramp, since in VP the ball falling from a ramp can and will get stuck into objects

JP

[bladexdsl]

i tried ramps all the way to right and left and didn't see any difference i'm running win7 64x

[yussufi]

I get during play some strange VBScript error: Line 0 "ii" and the the game stops. Any ideas?

[DedRok_V]

This table looks awesome Guys.
Thanks for the update JP.

[hassanchop]

great work jp!

obrigado!

[mosk79]

I can't get enough of your tables.
You are the best!! Thanks!