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[bigraceusa]

First again and again, sorry for my bad english...

I'm on the finish line for my cabinet, the ATI Radeon 5750 with 1 GB works great with Future Pinball and with 2 displays (only with driver 10.3 or higher).
With the release of the table from Popotte "Rocket III" I read this "problems with arcade render and the "can't see flippers, can't see other things I see in normal mode.

Now my question to you and realy of course to the table builder - when I move the things, resize some things - it that allowed?
or is it a bad thing to speak about that here?

I ask, because I have a resolution to make it possible - for me it look now the same as in normal view mode.

Can make some screenshots too... when you want something - I post it - but again, I ask you... I don't want trouble, I only want to see the same in normal mode see on my cabinett...


Now only without pics, what I do:
-look the table in acarde mode
-resize it but not complete !
-then on the left side (90° is it for me it FP) I see the end of the pinball cover
-to this end you can move the first layer, it's nice layer with Bally, Gottlieb etc. logo on it
-this I move in the editor 30 or 40 press the arrow-button on the keybord to the down direction
-now make it with all the other things there are down on this side of the table (like the screws, like ball shot out etc)
-it will don't work, you must resize somethins under the nice layer, because the physics will not work yet (but this things you can't see in arcade mode.
-to work on the phyics and look what the ball do, is the normal view the best thing, here you can change to manual camera and see what you must change for it work.

-When you be finished (after 1-2 hours) yes so long take it for me, the first time is double that I sit 4 hours on it
...when you are on this, you can see the same as in normal view, it's look realy better...

...but nothing with "but" in normal view it looks horrible, not finished - the same it looks in arcade mode when you come from normal mode view.


That's the theorie.

Please read what I want to do - I only want to "HELP" cabinet-owners to play this great tables from all the authors (I realy big respect all of you and your work). I realy want to help all to play the same great tables in arcade mode.


That's all, when you say "it's ok" I will post 1 screenshot of the "changing for arcade mode".
When you say that's not ok "let me know this, than I do it only for me"...

I come to a time, there I say "I resell the displays and other parts, destroy my cab and play only with normal view" because it looks more nice as arcade view, I can see all... now I'm back again, I love my cabinet and found a way to looks table more real in it.

...and I'm a Linux-user - Ubuntu too- Linux "that one user change in a program, give it back to all" - Ubuntu Linux for human beings - help all with all.

Now I be patient what you say - Is it ok or is it not?
The great thing I need is a "OK" from popotte, hope he read here too - He is my table king!


OK - the first user "Rawd" his cabint video I saw on youtube do this:
http://www.vpforums....i...ost&p=44125

I do the same, only a little bit more after reading I this I hope it's ok when I post it here.

Hope that bring not bad thinking over me...
Here is it - a screenshot of the great table from popotte Rocket III how it looks in my cabinet:


I can see the flippers, I can see the red thing that moves up and down (sorry don't know the word for it)
I can see more... I can see the same as in normal view.
Make it with fraps and vsync enabled (the ball runs smooth)

Edited by bigraceusa, 05 April 2010 - 10:04 PM.

[Rawd]

It is perfectly OK to mod tables for your own use!

The only reason that anyone ever gets 'in trouble', is if they are modding someones table, and releasing it without permission from the original table maker.

Nice to see that you are learning the editor! I am too! Why did it take you 4 hours to move the apron though? Screenshot looks nice.



...the red thing that moves up and down (sorry don't know the word for it) I call it a 'Pop-up bumper'.. I think that is the name for it.

[bigraceusa]

It is perfectly OK to mod tables for your own use!

The only reason that anyone ever gets 'in trouble', is if they are modding someones table, and releasing it without permission from the original table maker.

Nice to see that you are learning the editor! I am too! Why did it take you 4 hours to move the apron though? Screenshot looks nice.



...the red thing that moves up and down (sorry don't know the word for it) I call it a 'Pop-up bumper'.. I think that is the name for it.

.....Ahhhhh now I know what you mean... to release it without the permission of the original table author - I never would do this!
I realy respect the work of the author, I know which work is it to make this little thing looks good, how much work must it be to looks all good?
The only thing I would do is to give my "little" changing back to the table author for release it for him self.
....like LINUX - give my work back to the owner of it.

Learning the editor, that's what I need 4 hours, learn some things I must do to look it better, learn somethings over FP-physics learn try out, go back to the first time again, than make it again...

...and I don't only move the apron (copy the word from you ) I change all under the apron, with only move the apron, it don't looks the same on the screenshot, you must all change under the apron, move the ball things (I say to it shot out) so it works, resize somethings on the table - all for have the same physics as in normal mode.

After the 1 test, nothing works, I must move the ball drain, move the some ramps, try here some changing, try there.
It's easy to looks the same, but it's hard (for me) to work, the ball and physics are strong things I never think about then I think over building a table.

I change one of your tables (you have it in real) the name is tripplestrike - in your video (real vs. FP) I can't see the bonus on your pincade... now I see it too, not all (don't know is it possible) but that´s the first I try out.
Have your video for look again and again how it looks in real.

...I forget, it's not my work that screenshot looks nice, it's the work from popotte, I only make the "car a little bit bigger, now it looks better in my big garage)
...Rawd learn to build tables, the finish must be a cool thing... you build one of the amazing cabinet I see, you table videos are the first I see again and again on youtube, without this I would never become the wish to build my own minipin (I see your minipin)

Edited by bigraceusa, 05 April 2010 - 10:33 PM.

[Rawd]

.....Ahhhhh now I know what you mean... to release it without the permission of the original table author - I never would do this!
I realy respect the work of the author, I know which work is it to make this little thing looks good, how much work must it be to looks all good?
The only thing I would do is to give my "little" changing back to the table author for release it for him self.
....like LINUX - give my work back to the owner of it.

Learning the editor, that's what I need 4 hours, learn some things I must do to look it better, learn somethings over FP-physics learn try out, go back to the first time again, than make it again...

I change one of your tables (you have it in real) the name is tripplestrike - in your video (real vs. FP) I can't see the bonus on your pincade... now I see it too, not all (don't know is it possible) but that´s the first I try out.
Have your video for look again and again how it looks in real.

Yes. If an author didn't want you to change something, I think he can lock his table. This is how I am learning to build my own table, by looking at others work.

I am using a doghouse roof, and an explosion animation from 'Metal Slug' in my new table. I have asked both authors permission to use these things. If I don't get permission I will have to build my own... but at least I could learn how it is done from them.

The reason why you can't see some things on some tables (as you know) is because of the viewing angle in arcaderender. Most tables are good, but on some tables, some things get cutoff (like the BONUS in Triple Strike).

Maybe you can start working on your own table now!

[bigraceusa]

Maybe you can start working on your own table now!

I have it in mind "the viewing angle in arcade render"...
My own tables? I must I have not the talent to do this.

I'm good on building PCs, I'm good in write with 10 fingers (blind), I'm good for repair bicycles.
...but I'm not good in painting in school - that's one thing you need when you want to be a artist. Somday I learn it too, but the goodness is that popotte only (don't forget the others, there are much more) build so much tables I must play... with ProPinball I have only "BigRaceUSA" it's my favorite, that thing in FP would be a dream. Has Pure Pinball too, there was 3 tables - now I have more then 30 tables on my harddisk - the most are from IRPinball and the members there. 3= happy 30 = paradise you know what I mean

Edited by bigraceusa, 05 April 2010 - 10:45 PM.

[Rawd]

3= happy 30 = paradise you know what I mean

I must be in heaven with 224 then. I just deleted over 80 tables in the last months, and left only the good ones. heh

[destruk]

Future Pinball can't lock tables. It's a "popup post" - and it's great so many people are learning to edit tables.

[bigraceusa]

To edit or see how made the others do it is the way to learn...that's how my little princes will learn write and read in school (and I learn to write wrong english words in the wrong direction) that´s nice to read it here in the forum.

A little bit harder is this, I reviewed it some minutes ago, I can't make all show the same, but it's ok for me. Rawd have the original (real table).

Have made vsync off to show you good perform my Radeon 5750 with 1 GB (but without the second display).

Here is Rawds Video:

Edited by bigraceusa, 05 April 2010 - 11:43 PM.

[Rawd]

Great! It looks much better that way.. Ill do that to my own as well.

By the way. The middle lights on your table are not the correct color. They should be brighter and more orange. Somebody else had that problem, and I totally forget what they did to fix it.. I think it was UncleWilly if you want to send him a PM.

I love the real Triple Strike, and Greywolfs FP remake. UncleWilly said that he would work on A triple Strike for VP9 eventually, but I know he has alot on his plate right now

My dad brough home my first Triple Strike when I was 9, and I gave it away when I was 21, and tired of moving it. I finally found another one to buy a few years ago. Man, I wish I still had my old one for the bakcglass, and parts!

Mind my friends swearing at the end of the video!

popup post Thanks!@ Destruk.

FP tables can't be locked Ohh.. I thought they could. I never really looked into it.

[bigraceusa]

Have test a little bit more, some authors made the apron with different ideas...

I have one, the apron is a part of the complete playfield, now I has a problem, can't move the apron without changing the texture on it.
But I don't want give up - want to have the same nice table on my cabinet.

The solution is:
-click on the apron look right in the FP editor and there is the name of the texture.
-look now in texture manager (found it in the menu bar) and search for this name
-export it
-open it with GIMP or something good grafic program you have (I'm Linux friend, I take GIMP under Windows)
-copy and paste some white places from the playfield you see now and paste over all that is not you want to see - some things down the table is enough
-now you have down the playfield only the apron... cut it out and save it as BMP or TGA - don't know much about games, but JPG is not a good choice need CPU-time...
-now go back to the FP-editor
-import your new apron
-click on the apron in the editor
-go to the right side and change the texture to your import texture

Now the thing you must do, only with that it works: disabled the little checkpoint: "cookie cut from global texture"
Now you can move the apron... and make your cabinet a little bit cooler.

Hope I can help some cabinet owner with this. Learn from table to table, when I found a new problem and a way to make it better, I post here again.

EDIT:
some things to do (write it for GIMP):
-only cut out with white background is not the best idea for the table I test... then I has a little bit whit around the apron in the front of it.
-better is that: cut it out with the freehand tool it's not heavy to do this
-after cut out and copy to RAM made a new file with the same pixel-size as the original
-in the properties of the the new file in GIMP you have the chance to made it transparency now it looks like a chess pictures
-here insert the cut out from the RAM and safe it as TGA
-when you import it in FuturePinball all is fine
...hope that helps.

Edited by bigraceusa, 07 April 2010 - 09:45 AM.

[bigraceusa]

Before



and after hours of resize the table it self



That´s it - show you this table in normal FP-view you see the same as on my picture after resize it, that´s what I want.
But a much of work, must do this for every table I want to see the same good view as in normal-view.

Edited by bigraceusa, 29 June 2010 - 04:26 PM.

[bigraceusa]

Videos say more as words
Will edit this post to the finish-line...

Here is part 1 for the 1. type of tables without a own apron picture.


Here is part 2 for the 1. type of tables without a own apron picture.


Here is part 3 for the 1. type of tables without a own apron picture.


Here is part 4 for the 1. type of tables without a own apron picture.


Here is part 5 for the 1. type of tables without a own apron picture.

Edited by bigraceusa, 05 July 2010 - 07:37 PM.