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[Pinnutz]

I posted this problem in the PinSim DB forums on this table and was told to turn the Glossiness down to 1 and to rename one of the files in the Futurama.zip file. I tried both of these suggestions and neither worked. I've tried both the 1.0 version of Futurama as well as the DOF version. As soon as I hit play the table shows for a brief moment and FP just disappears. All my other FP tables run fine including the PinEvent tables. I thought I would post the question over here as you guys are as savvy as it gets on FP. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Here is my BAM crash log. 

 

 

------------------- BAM crash-report -------------

 

  BAM path: C:\Games\Future Pinball\BAM

 

       XML: C:\Games\Future Pinball\Tables\FUTURAMA.zip

 

     table: C:\Games\Future Pinball\Tables\FUTURAMA.fpt

 

         1: TAG: FILE=dllmain.cpp, LINE=709, FUNC=Routed_SwapBuffers

 

         2: TAG: FILE=dllmain.cpp, LINE=726, FUNC=Routed_SwapBuffers

 

       SBC: -1

 

       NFC: 17

 

Loaded modules:

 

Future Pinball.exe, 1.9.2008.1225 : 00400000 - 01F3F000

 

ntdll.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 779A0000 - 77B43000

 

KERNEL32.DLL, 6.2.19041.546 : 77710000 - 77800000

 

KERNELBASE.dll, 6.2.19041.572 : 76880000 - 76A94000

 

USER32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 76E10000 - 76FA6000

 

win32u.dll, 6.2.19041.572 : 77310000 - 77328000

 

GDI32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 76660000 - 76683000

 

COMCTL32.dll, 6.10.19041.488 : 71D30000 - 71F42000

 

Newton.dll,  : 10000000 - 10071000

 

gdi32full.dll, 6.2.19041.572 : 77230000 - 7730A000

 

msvcp_win.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 77610000 - 7768B000

 

msvcrt.dll, 7.0.19041.546 : 75E20000 - 75EDF000

 

ucrtbase.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 77870000 - 77990000

 

COMDLG32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 76D60000 - 76E0F000

 

combase.dll, 6.2.19041.572 : 75EE0000 - 76161000

 

RPCRT4.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 76710000 - 767CA000

 

shcore.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 76BD0000 - 76C57000

 

SHLWAPI.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 761D0000 - 76215000

 

SHELL32.dll, 6.2.19041.572 : 75860000 - 75E12000

 

ADVAPI32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 76690000 - 76709000

 

sechost.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 76C60000 - 76CD5000

 

ole32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 77040000 - 77123000

 

OLEAUT32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 767E0000 - 76876000

 

DINPUT8.dll, 6.2.19041.1 : 729B0000 - 729E7000

 

GLU32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 71650000 - 7168F000

 

fmod.dll, 3.7.4.0 : 02670000 - 02706000

 

ILUT.dll, 0.1.6.5 : 02130000 - 0213D000

 

ILU.dll, 0.1.6.5 : 02710000 - 02723000

 

libcurl.dll, 7.13.1.0 : 02730000 - 027CD000

 

DevIL.dll, 0.1.6.5 : 027D0000 - 02943000

 

OPENGL32.dll,  : 02950000 - 02C3B000

 

MSACM32.dll, 6.2.19041.1 : 71250000 - 71269000

 

WINMM.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 74730000 - 74758000

 

WSOCK32.dll, 6.2.19041.1 : 71D20000 - 71D28000

 

WININET.dll, 11.0.19041.546 : 63650000 - 63AA8000

 

winmmbase.dll, 6.2.19041.1 : 71230000 - 7124D000

 

WS2_32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 771C0000 - 77223000

 

imagehlp.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 76D40000 - 76D59000

 

IMM32.DLL, 6.2.19041.546 : 77190000 - 771B5000

 

BAM.dll, 1.5.317.0 : 6F860000 - 6FED8000

 

PSAPI.DLL, 6.2.19041.546 : 767D0000 - 767D6000

 

SETUPAPI.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 76220000 - 76654000

 

cfgmgr32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 76170000 - 761AB000

 

VERSION.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 74BC0000 - 74BC8000

 

bcrypt.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 761B0000 - 761C9000

 

HID.DLL, 6.2.19041.546 : 739F0000 - 739FA000

 

renderingengine.dll,  : 6F330000 - 6F858000

 

--------------------------------------------------

 

Error code C0000005: ACCESS VIOLATION

 

 

 

   Address: 00000001 -> UNKNOWN:00000001

 

     Flags: 00000000

 

 

 

  Fault Occured At $ADDRESS:00000001 ->UNKNOWN:00000001

 

         with 8B 0E 01 CD AA 2C 9F 92 E0 9B 14 02 

 

 

 

   Address: 71B913A2 -> UNKNOWN:71B913A2

 

***  0 called from $ADDRESS:71B913A2

 

         with 

 

 

 

   Address: 00439B46 -> Future Pinball.exe:00039B46

 

***  1 called from $ADDRESS:00439B46

[GeorgeH]

All I can suggest is to perform Steps 6 and 12 of my guide here:

 

http://gopinball.com...php?f=84&t=6054

[TerryRed]

I had the same issue.

 

For me, I needed to goto translite editor:

 

- show only layer 1

- select all the lights (with no model)

- change it on the top right so that all those lights now have a model (just pick one of the bulb models)

 

On the playfield editor:

 

 - change glossiness slider on the right to the mid position

 

Save the table. Close FP and re-open the table.

 

Now it should work.

Edited by TerryRed, 03 November 2020 - 09:45 PM.

[Pinnutz]

Wow, this table is being stubborn. I figured out how to do what TerryRed suggested. Still crashes. I also went thru the settings that GeorgeH pointed out and everything seemed to be okay. This table just doesn't like my system.

 

New crash log..

 

------------------- BAM crash-report -------------

  BAM path: C:\Games\Future Pinball\BAM

       XML: C:\Games\Future Pinball\Tables\FUTURAMA.zip

     table: C:\Games\Future Pinball\Tables\FUTURAMA.fpt

         1: TAG: FILE=dllmain.cpp, LINE=709, FUNC=Routed_SwapBuffers

         2: TAG: FILE=dllmain.cpp, LINE=726, FUNC=Routed_SwapBuffers

       SBC: -1

       NFC: 17

Loaded modules:

Future Pinball.exe, 1.9.2008.1225 : 00400000 - 01F3F000

ntdll.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 770C0000 - 77263000

KERNEL32.DLL, 6.2.19041.546 : 76770000 - 76860000

KERNELBASE.dll, 6.2.19041.572 : 756D0000 - 758E4000

USER32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 76510000 - 766A6000

win32u.dll, 6.2.19041.572 : 76FC0000 - 76FD8000

COMCTL32.dll, 6.10.19041.488 : 73B70000 - 73D82000

GDI32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 752F0000 - 75313000

fmod.dll, 3.7.4.0 : 10000000 - 10096000

msvcrt.dll, 7.0.19041.546 : 762C0000 - 7637F000

gdi32full.dll, 6.2.19041.572 : 74F80000 - 7505A000

msvcp_win.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 750A0000 - 7511B000

ADVAPI32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 763F0000 - 76469000

ucrtbase.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 751D0000 - 752F0000

sechost.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 760D0000 - 76145000

RPCRT4.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 766B0000 - 7676A000

COMDLG32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 75120000 - 751CF000

combase.dll, 6.2.19041.572 : 75440000 - 756C1000

ole32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 76870000 - 76953000

shcore.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 76F20000 - 76FA7000

MSACM32.dll, 6.2.19041.1 : 740B0000 - 740C9000

SHLWAPI.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 75F70000 - 75FB5000

WINMM.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 72FB0000 - 72FD8000

SHELL32.dll, 6.2.19041.572 : 76960000 - 76F12000

WSOCK32.dll, 6.2.19041.1 : 742C0000 - 742C8000

WS2_32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 77040000 - 770A3000

winmmbase.dll, 6.2.19041.1 : 74090000 - 740AD000

OLEAUT32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 76470000 - 76506000

DINPUT8.dll, 6.2.19041.1 : 6F120000 - 6F157000

GLU32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 74050000 - 7408F000

Newton.dll,  : 02660000 - 026D1000

DevIL.dll, 0.1.6.5 : 026E0000 - 02853000

ILU.dll, 0.1.6.5 : 02860000 - 02873000

libcurl.dll, 7.13.1.0 : 02880000 - 0291D000

ILUT.dll, 0.1.6.5 : 02920000 - 0292D000

OPENGL32.dll,  : 02930000 - 02C1B000

imagehlp.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 753C0000 - 753D9000

WININET.dll, 11.0.19041.546 : 73240000 - 73698000

IMM32.DLL, 6.2.19041.546 : 76040000 - 76065000

BAM.dll, 1.5.317.0 : 67880000 - 67EF8000

PSAPI.DLL, 6.2.19041.546 : 753B0000 - 753B6000

SETUPAPI.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 75950000 - 75D84000

cfgmgr32.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 75060000 - 7509B000

VERSION.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 742E0000 - 742E8000

bcrypt.dll, 6.2.19041.546 : 76380000 - 76399000

HID.DLL, 6.2.19041.546 : 6EF60000 - 6EF6A000

renderingengine.dll,  : 672D0000 - 677F8000

--------------------------------------------------

Error code C0000005: ACCESS VIOLATION

 

   Address: 00000001 -> UNKNOWN:00000001

     Flags: 00000000

 

  Fault Occured At $ADDRESS:00000001 ->UNKNOWN:00000001

         with 6E 06 01 28 79 9D 59 5C F8 B3 1E 02 

 

   Address: 73DA13A2 -> UNKNOWN:73DA13A2

***  0 called from $ADDRESS:73DA13A2

         with 

 

   Address: 00439B46 -> Future Pinball.exe:00039B46

***  1 called from $ADDRESS:00439B46

[Strobeman]

I hadn't been able to get this table to work until recently. I'm not 100% certain what did the trick but maybe this info will help diagnose the issues. I followed TerryRed's post but also messed with my Future Pinball backglass defaults in such a way (kind of accidentally) that I was able to open the table without it crashing. I think it has something to do with scaling the backglass. I managed to get it to open with it wanting a CFG file but it didn't have one so I was able to scale and manipulate the backglass and save a new one. It opened consistently after I did that. I noticed that some elements on the Translite were originally supposed to show up on the back wall of the cabinet and I think this may also be affecting things. I was able to edit the translite so that I moved the animated TV and image of the Professor up onto the backglass. I also had to tweak  (rotate 1 degree) the left kicker, otherwise the ball wouldn't exit that left lane. Now I have a slightly broken but functional table.

[scampa123]

I had the same issue.

 

For me, I needed to goto translite editor:

 

- show only layer 1

- select all the lights (with no model)

- change it on the top right so that all those lights now have a model (just pick one of the bulb models)

 

On the playfield editor:

 

 - change glossiness slider on the right to the mid position

 

Save the table. Close FP and re-open the table.

 

Now it should work.

Terry this helped me to get the table to play however the backglass is not showing at all...I reenabled all the layers in the translite editor (not sure if necessary)

 

for the bulb models I used the bulb wedge small.  Do I need to check the Render model for each bulb too?  I do see bulb state on but my backglass is just black.  Thx again!

[topper2k]

For me it was just the glossiness. Table gave me fits. I think I had to experiment with it a little bit to find glossiness setting that didn't cause the table to crash.

[scampa123]

Table isn’t crashing now I just cannot see the backglass

[GeorgeH]

This table has a shroud that covers the entire backbox.  Try moving it off to the the right or left side of the table.  

 

Open the FP editor.  Right click on the huge object at the top of the table and select unlock.  Then just drag and drop it to the left or right of the table.  

[scampa123]

@GeorgeH I assume you mean to do this in the translite editor... I’m not seeing a large shroud.

 

ive included a photo of both the translite editor and the table editor.

 

thanks again

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[GeorgeH]

@GeorgeH I assume you mean to do this in the translite editor... I’m not seeing a large shroud.

 

ive included a photo of both the translite editor and the table editor.

 

thanks again

 

The object is on the playfield at the top of the table.  It is huge.  You can't miss it.

[scampa123]

Okay the moving of the shroud did not work...I found if I move it my DOF toys don’t work.

 

what did seem to work was I unzipped a fresh copy of the table.  This time I only moved the Glossiness slider to the half way point and the table launches.

 

so I can play the game now!! 

 

what I do not see is the score or cartoon.  On my desktop there is a cartoon on the playfield.  I see some things on on the translite not sore how to make them show though...photo attached...

 

thanks again this is so close!!!

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[scampa123]

In looking at this video I think i’m running fairly well but the backglass has a grill with the DMD showing however in my case it doesn’t show...It’s not like VPX B2S with a right click and show grill.  Is there a FP way to show it?

 

thank you

I got it!!

 

I remembered about the BAM menu for stretching the backglass... I got the grill not!!

 

Now I just to figure out why the videos don’t show at the back of the table...

[scampa123]

One interesting point I should mention...and maybe this has to do with the videos

 

 

the accompanying zip file containing the models dir and bmp dir seems to make the difference of the backglass showing or not.  If it’s in my tables dir on my cabinet the backglass won’t load so I moved it to my BAM balls directory...and the backglass loads but the playfield videos do not work

 

on another computer I have I have that zip in my tables folder and the table loads with playfield videos running.  I cannot tell if the backglass works because on that computer I only have one monitor

[GeorgeH]

Okay the moving of the shroud did not work...I found if I move it my DOF toys don’t work.

 

what did seem to work was I unzipped a fresh copy of the table.  This time I only moved the Glossiness slider to the half way point and the table launches.

 

so I can play the game now!! 

 

what I do not see is the score or cartoon.  On my desktop there is a cartoon on the playfield.  I see some things on on the translite not sore how to make them show though...photo attached...

 

thanks again this is so close!!!

 

I found this on another forum:

 

"Black screen on futurama just seen this

renaming 354. Models file AND then adding a decal to layer 9 of the translite. To do this: click on translate, then enable all layers (the numbers in the lower left). Then click on special (bottom of screen). Select "decal" from the list. Then click somewhere on the translite. (A small blue box will appear). On  the right side of the screen click on Image and select BACKGLASS. Do not change the size etc. Just save it and test."

 

If that does not work, all I can suggest is to review the comments on these two links to the table on PinSimDB:

 

http://www.pinsimdb....-24458-futurama

 

http://www.pinsimdb....oflinx)_cabinet

[scampa123]

Thank you GeorgeH, I appreciate this!  I’ll try it!

Edited by scampa123, 23 February 2021 - 04:04 PM.

[scampa123]

It seems that FP Arcade mode is what enables/disables the video at the back of the playfield.

 

For others, here are the steps I've used based on the guidance I've received and from other posts to get this fully working:

Making the Future Pinball Futurama Work in Cabinet Mode

Here were the steps I’ve taken to get this table working on my cabinet

1. In FP Select Table and move the glossiness slider to the middle (this is on the right hand side menu)
2. Unpack the accompanying zip which contains a bmp and a models folder.  Rename the 354 and 391 models.  Rezip the file with name matching the table and place in tables folder alongside the table.
3. In FP disable Arcade mode (you will still want you backbox and BAM Forced Arcade Mode turned on in this case.
4. In BAM settings for the backbox, stretch/resize the backbox so that the score will show if you’d like to know your score ;-)

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Edited by scampa123, 23 February 2021 - 04:16 PM.

[TerryRed]

The reason why the backwall stuff isn't showing in cabinet mode...is the same reason the older SLAMT1LT BTTF table didnt show the time circuits in cabinet mode.

 

It's because these things were placed on the translite editor. Anything on the translite editor won't show on the playfield in cabinet / arcade mode.... but will show up in vr or desktop mode.

 

 

For Overlay videos... these can be placed on the playfield editor, and then you can use a BAM mini playfield to relocate it on the backwall, or anywhere you want on the playfield. Something that was impossible to do with native FP.

Edited by TerryRed, 23 February 2021 - 05:44 PM.

[GeorgeH]

You could try deleting the 391 file out of the Zip.  It is the file that creates the game room which you don't need on a cabinet.  If it doesn't fix it, it would reduce the memory needed and would make it perform better anyway.  

[scampa123]

Thanks @TerryRed I'll have to do more research to figure out that as I'm not even sure where or how to start!  I was thinking I could turn on/off Acrade Mode just for this table via my Popper start script and a custom field. 

 

**I know you highly recommend not turning off Arcade mode without also turning off Forced Arcade mode, but in this case the table (at least initially) seems to play fine....

 

Thanks again!

@GeorgeH thank you!  I listed out what I did to make everything work and renaming model 391 was part of that....This doesn't help.  At the moment, aside from the fix for running this table in cabinet mode as Terry points out, I can get it to work with the steps above...Probably not the ideal way but its running

@TerryRed would what you discussed about be BAM Texture Swapping as discussed here:  https://pinballnirva...01/#post-120538