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[OuchTilt]

Farsight's have announced on Facebook that they will NOT be charging extra for the upcoming cabinet support.

https://www.facebook...664924293528634

[Pinball999]

Good news!

As there been any improvement on the portrait view recently?

[kruge99]

Not to throw cold water on a fire, but to paraphrase, they said they aren't "planning" to charge extra... Just sayin'...

[open6l]

and it's funny how everyone is so 'happy' that FS say they aren't planning on charging. Why be happy for something that shouldn't have been an issue from the beginning? Praising and thanking them for what should have been a given from the start.

[Pinball999]

I've not seen anyone praising them. But I guess people are just happy cause they don't have to hold on to buy the PC version any longer, or if they have it, to pay twice.

In my case, I'm not going to get it until DX11 is implemented. There is just so much to do at the moment with VP, FP, and the upcoming timeshock and PU3ED.

[The Loafer]

Jeez, they are spending development time (ie: money) for what will probably be used by what, 500 people? maybe a few hundred more? They also had to spend real bucks on hardware for a cab and some toys. personally, I just cannot feel any entitlement is warranted here. I am happy for us of course, always nice to save money but if they would have charged a $10 DLC fee, that would have been by cool!

Question to all: am I the only one to think like this?

[kruge99]

Jeez, they are spending development time (ie: money) for what will probably be used by what, 500 people? maybe a few hundred more? They also had to spend real bucks on hardware for a cab and some toys. personally, I just cannot feel any entitlement is warranted here. I am happy for us of course, always nice to save money but if they would have charged a $10 DLC fee, that would have been by cool!

Question to all: am I the only one to think like this?

 

I'm REALLY looking forward to cabinet support but I'm saving my money until it appears because I agree, it's for a niche market and I don't see how they can add cabinet support to the existing product and then just give it away.  Once cabinet support is fully available, I will most certainly buy TPA again for my cabinet.

 

Just try and develop "something" for your boss and then tell them you're going to add it to one of your existing products for free. How is your boss supposed to pay for your development time, and then not receive income from your work?

 

It DOES NOT make good business sense!

[Pinball999]

You are not the only one loafer. I've spent money on the PS3 and Android version. So I'm just patient for the PC one.

I'm ready to pay extra for the cab support, but I want to see the product first.

As for the business logic, I see them working on it as a vitrine for their software. A big marketing add!

Seeing the tables on cabs will for sure convince additional consumers to get the PS3, PS4, Android and PC versions.

[ringorian]

Jeez, they are spending development time (ie: money) for what will probably be used by what, 500 people? maybe a few hundred more? They also had to spend real bucks on hardware for a cab and some toys. personally, I just cannot feel any entitlement is warranted here. I am happy for us of course, always nice to save money but if they would have charged a $10 DLC fee, that would have been by cool!

Question to all: am I the only one to think like this?

Its always the same. In simracing they spend also hundreds and thousands in hardware, but the software should be cheap/free ..no extra charges for anything. Pay one time 20 bucks and get updates for ten years ...
Maybe the more people spend in hardware the less some of em are willing to pay .. Strange

[The Loafer]

No Doubt its an investment that can be more profitable in having it free, a smart idea. I am just saying I would be willing to pay

[open6l]

NHL 11 comes out, then NHL 12 comes out, then NHL 13 and everyone bitches and complains because its the same old game wrapped with new jerseys, a few enhancements etc. Engine rarely changes. TPA re-releases the exact same table over and over again but changes the view to portrait then is going to change the view again to fullscreen and yet we cannot complain about them charging for it? TPA is no different than any other company out there. We shouldn't feel like they are doing us a service by re-charging over and over again and failing to deliver on empty promises.... but hey... if you want to keep putting money in TPA's pockets go for it. I for one will wait to see what their end product is (if it ever gets there) before putting another penny in their pocket I've put money into a failed XBOX attempt (yeah I hate to keep bringing it up too) and have bought every table individually for the iphone/ipad. It stops til I see actual progress (not this abomination called Portrait view).

 

Whilst I understand some saying there shouldn't be such negativity against TPA I also feel there shouldn't be so much sugar coating either. Seems everytime TPA says or announces something the fanboys (its not just designated to Apple is it?) jump up and down clapping hands and cheering

 

This isn't a personal attack on anyone - just another person's POV.

 

No Doubt its an investment that can be more profitable in having it free, a smart idea. I am just saying I would be willing to pay

Edited by open6l, 12 December 2013 - 12:27 AM.

[LoadedWeapon]

Jeez, they are spending development time (ie: money) for what will probably be used by what, 500 people? maybe a few hundred more? They also had to spend real bucks on hardware for a cab and some toys. personally, I just cannot feel any entitlement is warranted here. I am happy for us of course, always nice to save money but if they would have charged a $10 DLC fee, that would have been by cool!

Question to all: am I the only one to think like this?

No I agree with you but I also think that they tried to take on/promise way to much maybe for their small team and I bet it will be late next year or longer before we even get to see real Cab support.. I will also wait for DX11. If they manage to get that out then I will prob buy some tables but VP has came so far and I'm happy with just playing it for now..

[djcpe]

Yeah, the tables may not have to be re-purchased for full cabinet support, but watch FarSight charge us an additional $5.00 for each backglass and an additional $2.50 for each "moveable" DMD!       Not hoping on such ignorance....

LOL!  

Edited by djcpe, 12 December 2013 - 02:39 AM.

[The Loafer]

1 - all those hockey games are on the same platform. If you are comparing TPA to PHOF Gottlieb and Williams collections, then the TPA is a new engine, anyone playing those older games can tell you they pay very different! If you are saying you don't want to buy the products on multiple platforms, well I agree that sucks but there are only a handful of companies that allow that and very little of them are probably dealing with licensees I would guess.

2 - you keep bringing up the Xbox issue and yet you have read countless times they legally are f'ed up over this because of Craves bankruptcy and MS' need to have a publisher.. You are blaming the wrong guys man! Most of the tables until two packs ago were developed on the 360, it was the primary dev platform. Since all the work is done on the 360, don't you think they would release them if they could? Easy money no? If they don't release the tables, its because they can't.

FS deserves some flack on a couple of areas for sure. They can't communicate well and they spread themselves too thin. I have zero problems with people not wanting to support them until these areas are fixed, or if they feel the product isn't to their liking or up to each of our own QS, then that is perfectly cool to not buy it. But the Xbox thing and rebuying the tables? I find those to be "thin ice" arguments

On the cab support I am certainly saying they should be commended for not charging DLC, since this will serve probably less than 1 percent of their potential user base. However given your expectations, here's a tip for you: don't get your hopes up, since I am pretty sure they won't support much more beyond read dmd, nudging and backglass support. At least I am not expecting more than that. Even if they provide contactors/LEDs/shaker motor, etc, the product itself is not designed to be flexible, but thank goodness we have VP/FP and the unity project for those of us who seek this. Everyone wins my friends

NHL 11 comes out, then NHL 12 comes out, then NHL 13 and everyone bitches and complains because its the same old game wrapped with new jerseys, a few enhancements etc. Engine rarely changes. TPA re-releases the exact same table over and over again but changes the view to portrait then is going to change the view again to fullscreen and yet we cannot complain about them charging for it? TPA is no different than any other company out there. We shouldn't feel like they are doing us a service by re-charging over and over again and failing to deliver on empty promises.... but hey... if you want to keep putting money in TPA's pockets go for it. I for one will wait to see what their end product is (if it ever gets there) before putting another penny in their pocket I've put money into a failed XBOX attempt (yeah I hate to keep bringing it up too) and have bought every table individually for the iphone/ipad. It stops til I see actual progress (not this abomination called Portrait view).
 
Whilst I understand some saying there shouldn't be such negativity against TPA I also feel there shouldn't be so much sugar coating either. Seems everytime TPA says or announces something the fanboys (its not just designated to Apple is it?) jump up and down clapping hands and cheering
 
This isn't a personal attack on anyone - just another person's POV.
 

No Doubt its an investment that can be more profitable in having it free, a smart idea. I am just saying I would be willing to pay

[Joe]

1 - all those hockey games are on the same platform. If you are comparing TPA to PHOF Gottlieb and Williams collections, then the TPA is a new engine, anyone playing those older games can tell you they pay very different! If you are saying you don't want to buy the products on multiple platforms, well I agree that sucks but there are only a handful of companies that allow that and very little of them are probably dealing with licensees I would guess.

2 - you keep bringing up the Xbox issue and yet you have read countless times they legally are f'ed up over this because of Craves bankruptcy and MS' need to have a publisher.. You are blaming the wrong guys man! Most of the tables until two packs ago were developed on the 360, it was the primary dev platform. Since all the work is done on the 360, don't you think they would release them if they could? Easy money no? If they don't release the tables, its because they can't.

FS deserves some flack on a couple of areas for sure. They can't communicate well and they spread themselves too thin. I have zero problems with people not wanting to support them until these areas are fixed, or if they feel the product isn't to their liking or up to each of our own QS, then that is perfectly cool to not buy it. But the Xbox thing and rebuying the tables? I find those to be "thin ice" arguments

On the cab support I am certainly saying they should be commended for not charging DLC, since this will serve probably less than 1 percent of their potential user base. However given your expectations, here's a tip for you: don't get your hopes up, since I am pretty sure they won't support much more beyond read dmd, nudging and backglass support. At least I am not expecting more than that. Even if they provide contactors/LEDs/shaker motor, etc, the product itself is not designed to be flexible, but thank goodness we have VP/FP and the unity project for those of us who seek this. Everyone wins my friends
 

NHL 11 comes out, then NHL 12 comes out, then NHL 13 and everyone bitches and complains because its the same old game wrapped with new jerseys, a few enhancements etc. Engine rarely changes. TPA re-releases the exact same table over and over again but changes the view to portrait then is going to change the view again to fullscreen and yet we cannot complain about them charging for it? TPA is no different than any other company out there. We shouldn't feel like they are doing us a service by re-charging over and over again and failing to deliver on empty promises.... but hey... if you want to keep putting money in TPA's pockets go for it. I for one will wait to see what their end product is (if it ever gets there) before putting another penny in their pocket I've put money into a failed XBOX attempt (yeah I hate to keep bringing it up too) and have bought every table individually for the iphone/ipad. It stops til I see actual progress (not this abomination called Portrait view).
 
Whilst I understand some saying there shouldn't be such negativity against TPA I also feel there shouldn't be so much sugar coating either. Seems everytime TPA says or announces something the fanboys (its not just designated to Apple is it?) jump up and down clapping hands and cheering
 
This isn't a personal attack on anyone - just another person's POV.
 

No Doubt its an investment that can be more profitable in having it free, a smart idea. I am just saying I would be willing to pay

 

what about just selling the tables and not DLC for the setting menus? or at least adult content on with no need to pay more to trun it on.

[The Loafer]

Not sure and I could be talking out of my butt here but I believe one of the reasons for their "Default" to censored/family friendly roms is because of the platforms TPA is available on (ie: itunes).  Whatever the reason, I don't like their solution either.

[Joe]

Not sure and I could be talking out of my butt here but I believe one of the reasons for their "Default" to censored/family friendly roms is because of the platforms TPA is available on (ie: itunes).  Whatever the reason, I don't like their solution either.

Other games had stuff like that is the past and it was a free update / code to unlock the no censored / blood modes not an ADDED COST DLC.

[kruge99]

Has anyone made their Pinball Wizard and/or Nanotech DIY controller work in The Pinball Arcade yet?  I saw the release notes for the latest update (which was for the Fish Tales release) state that an interface issue with the Pinball Wizard support fixed.  I only have the free Steam version installed and it didn't seem to notice my Nanotech DIY plunger kit at all...

 

"

PC 1.21.2 Updates:
- New DLC: Fish Tales.
- New DLC: Fish Tales Pro Menus.
- New DLC: Fish Tales + Pro Menus Pack.
- New DLC: Season 3 Pack.
- New DLC: Season 3 Pro Pack.
- New DLC: Season 2 Ball Pack.
- Free Table of the Month: Whirlwind.
- "Leaderboards" removed from the main menu to make room for "Season Three".
- "What's New" text is displayed on the first run on a new major release.
- Config utility had a small makeover.
- Updated Config utility to include a texture filtering option.


Bug Fixes:
- Multimon fix (PBAConfig update).
- Dual Flipper when mapped to button fixed.
- Dual Flipper threshhold changed from 5% to 10% (toggle the option on and off to get the change).
- Windows Key & Accessibility Shortcuts are disabled.
- Added a 12% deadzone to triggers.
- Fixed HUD scale on portrait on Big Shot and Central Park.
- Fixed crash when entering Goin' Nuts' pro menu.
- Added "Manual" button to the Pro Help menu on landscape.
- Fixed Pro mode not saving settings.
- nVidia AA fixed
- Fixed issue with pinball wizard controller causing wierd menu issues.
- Fixed high score screen in portrait.
- Fixed Fun House cameras on portrait.
- Adjusted portrait HUD on: Centaur, Class of 1812, Dr. Dude, El Dorado, Elvira and the Party Monsters, Flight 2000, Haunted House, Pin*Bot, Space Shuttle, Victory, and Whirlwind.
- Fixed Harley not always working with multiplayer
- Game pauses if a controller connection is lost during gameplay.
- Removed the “Back” button from the High Scores screen at the end of a game.
- Fixed DMD scaling in landscape and portrait.

PC 1.21.3 Bug Fix:
- Fixed Table of the Month reaching the score limit.

Happy flipping!

"

[luvthatapex]

I'll throw a curve ball in here. I am happy with the progress of VP/VPM and all of the toys I have now on my cab with 350 tables.

As they are constantly improved and I can improve them myself, I have no interest in Pinball Arcade for my cab.

 

Thanks to the ever improving VP team for the huge boost of enhancements over the past 2 years when we thought for sure VP was dead.

[kruge99]

Well it looks like I'll try contacting their support since my purchase hinges on the pinball wizards kit being supported.