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[toxie]

I know there was a similar topic before (http://www.vpforums....showtopic=13779), but with the recent changes in VP9.1.4 and 9.1.3, i wanted to recheck, as it might ease future development A LOT if we could get rid of the old 'software' fallbacks and switch completely to hardware. And it -might- end up being faster than software mode on old machines, too!
So please try to judge only on your current PCs you use (or which you might have in a year or so) and when using 9.1.4, not the older versions!

Thanks!

Edited by destruk, 28 November 2012 - 02:26 PM.

[faralos]

I still must turn OFF HD in ANY version of vp I use
or else I get the famous washout look to the play field
along with white background and at times missing flippers/ball

[xio]

Not sure what to vote.
Until my new "optimus rip-off" laptop, I would never uncheck HDR. But I'm still trying to make optimus & VP914 play together, and I read somewhere that HDR off could help (for what I've seen until now, it doesn't but I didn't really explored this way).

So I should vote "only HDR, with an improved HDR"

[destruk]

I needed to add two choices to your poll Toxie, sorry about that.
HD Rendering is in video options for VP --

Edited by destruk, 28 November 2012 - 02:31 PM.

[Slydog43]

Lets move forward (especially if it makes it easier for the coders) and remove the software rendering. Video cards keep getting cheaper and cheaper.

If someone can NOT use Hardware Rendering, then they must use a version 9.14 or less, no big deal.

Edited by Slydog43, 28 November 2012 - 02:54 PM.

[toxie]

@destruk: thanks, makes sense..

[hmueck]

I still must turn OFF HD in ANY version of vp I use
or else I get the famous washout look to the play field
along with white background and at times missing flippers/ball

Graphic card drivers change all the time. When did you last update your drivers?
Washout: make sure to use trilinear filtering, not bilinear or "automatic".

[Aurich]

VP is already saddled with so much 'old' baggage, it seems crazy to me to do anything to artificially hold back development from people who are volunteering their time to do so. Especially in areas that might lead to some genuine improvements.

Now obviously that doesn't mean doing anything that will abandon the community, but if for some reason you really can't use hardware rendering just run the current version of VP for now. If things truly get better you might get tempted to upgrade!

[toxie]

So far it looks better than expected.. Mainly 'positive' answers.. But not yet representive enough.. So plz bring on the votes!

[Joe]

I have it on all the time.

[faralos]

upgrade to what exactly? I use an Nvidia card and must still turn OFF HD
or else I get whiteout
okay I do have only 1g desktop ram maybe that's it then

geez Destruk you keep the slider all the way to the right and it works?
man I wish I could do that on my tower...
my slider sits two from the left side

Edited by faralos, 29 November 2012 - 09:56 PM.

[TheMcD]

Well, let's say it this way. I have both a Intel integrated graphics chip and a dedicated 1 GB Nvidia GT 540M and can run programs using a specific one. On certain tables (for instance the VP9 Frankenstein by bmiki75), I can try using hardware rendering with my dedicated card on windowed mode with a 640x480 resolution with a maximum texture resolution of 512 and the alpha slider all the way to the left and it's still a horrendous jerky mess the moment the ball is launched. Something is wrong, and I can't put my finger on what exactly it is, although my guess is the problem lies in the drivers - using old XP drivers used to clear up my problems, but now I can't do that anymore.

EDIT: Well, that didn't help at all. I updated my drivers and wiped my previous Nvidia settings as to get as vanilla as possible, and while it somehow improved my performance in software rendering mode, in hardware rendering mode we've switched from lag-tastic unplayability to something that doesn't lag quite as bad but instead has this horrendous updating problem, which just hurts my eyes. I'm starting to be kind of stumped on what exactly to do.

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Edited by TheMcD, 30 November 2012 - 12:54 AM.

[faralos]

you are not trying to play it in a window are you?
that may be part of your problem as vp likes to be used full screen
I know with vp8 I could get away with a windowed table but not with vp9

see my settings... try sliding that alpha ramp slider all the way to the left
THEN play the pin if it looks okay crank up the slider one notch
play it again keep doing this until it screws up
then you know to back the slider down one notch

[Liteuser]

My desktop PC can use hardware hardware device rendering just fine.

I have seen laptop PC's that can not use hardware device rendering or only at very low res in VP9. So I think some laptops still need the option to play VP9 tables. They can always use the current VP9.1.4 to play the tables we have up untill now. So thats all good.

If a newer version of VP changes tables so that they are no longer backwards compatable with VP9.1.4 then some laptop users may be left without a working version of VP to play the newer table releases. I think removing the option from VP9 could be a step in the wrong direction for some.

[htamas]

Well, if development can get that much easier with removing the "excess baggage" of software rendering, then so be it. Do it with the next release number, be it 9.1.5 or 9.2.
For optimal VP experience, HW rendering is pretty much a must anyway... and 9.1.4 still will be able to run all current tables for those who have older or less capable hardware that has problems with HW rendering.

Edited by htamas, 30 November 2012 - 06:18 AM.

[StevOz]

My PC will render and play all VP tables with hardware rendering on, mind you many will stutter, though that's just due to my PC being so outdated. Specifications in sig below...

[faralos]

My desktop PC can use hardware hardware device rendering just fine.

I have seen laptop PC's that can not use hardware device rendering or only at very low res in VP9. So I think some laptops still need the option to play VP9 tables. They can always use the current VP9.1.4 to play the tables we have up untill now. So thats all good.

If a newer version of VP changes tables so that they are no longer backwards compatable with VP9.1.4 then some laptop users may be left without a working version of VP to play the newer table releases. I think removing the option from VP9 could be a step in the wrong direction for some.

how do you think we all first felt when vp9 came out making vp8 tables non playable in it?
But progress continues and we have to adjust even if we are dragged kicking and screaming
to it

[xio]

Yes, let's move forward (and with optimus compatibility )

[TheMcD]

you are not trying to play it in a window are you?
that may be part of your problem as vp likes to be used full screen
I know with vp8 I could get away with a windowed table but not with vp9

see my settings... try sliding that alpha ramp slider all the way to the left
THEN play the pin if it looks okay crank up the slider one notch
play it again keep doing this until it screws up
then you know to back the slider down one notch

I already said I've set everything as low as possible. And no, windowed mode is not the problem - I get the same results in full screen, it's just that 640x480 full screen makes my eyes bleed.

[yogiholzer]

No clue as I didn't play for very very long. VP 9.xx is still a mystery.