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[FDSystems]

The topic title says it all:
Are VP9 physics better than Vp8 physics?
What are the differences, advantages & disadvantages of both programs?
I would like to have opinions based on practical experience from table creators & from Vpinball players as well.
Thank you for your participation.

Edited by TheMcD, 27 March 2009 - 08:51 PM.

[Pinball Ken]

Er, 1234fd, try my AFM 4.2 Mod!

It says it all. VP9 rocks.

PK

[Noah Fentz]

The topic title says it all:
Are VP9 physics better than Vp8 physics?
What are the differences, advantages & disadvantages of both programs?
I would like to have opinions based on practical experience from table creators & from Vpinball players as well.
Thank you for your participation.

Mind if I (or you) turn this into a poll? Would be nice to see voting

[TheMcD]

I was about to ask that.

The McD

[yogiholzer]

VP 9 still not tried.

[studmuff]

The topic title says it all:
Are VP9 physics better than Vp8 physics?
What are the differences, advantages & disadvantages of both programs?
I would like to have opinions based on practical experience from table creators & from Vpinball players as well.
Thank you for your participation.

VP9 > VP8.
Advantages - Can see more of the playfield - transparent ramps.
- 16:9 support, table scaling support
- Less Ball stutters, blurring
- Many Physic options can be customized.

Disadvantages - Only one I can think off: Not really compatible with VP8 Tables due to the physic changes so the tables have to be adjusted.
Look at the manual when you download VP9.0.2

[Noah Fentz]

---Poll added.---

[TheMcD]

So, from testing: VP9 is superior. Now I have to figger out what my problem is. I guess it's my video card.

The McD

[FDSystems]

Mind if I (or you) turn this into a poll? Would be nice to see voting

I was about to ask that.
The McD

I thought about it.Wasn´t sure.
Thanks Noah & the McD

PS for the McD;
In another poll, about (pin) "balls", you said that "other" should always be an option in a poll.
Could you add it?
I am asking the question of this poll because i´m unable to answer it by yes and/or no.

Edited by 1234fd, 27 March 2009 - 08:23 PM.

[elton]

Well, I've not tried VP9 yet. Figured I'd let all the clever people work out any issues (if there are any) and when it is safe to use I shall indulge. But, at the moment, I'm pretty busy with a pile of stuff so don't have the time to really look at it.

[Noah Fentz]

..."other" should always be an option in a poll.
Could you add it?...
I am asking the question of this poll because i´m unable to answer it by yes and/or no.

I added "Haven't tried it yet" as the only "other" option I could think of. It's pretty cut and dried as a yes or no question.

Are you a "maybe"?

[TheMcD]

EDIT: Doo-dee-doo. Move along, nothing to see here...

Edited by TheMcD, 27 March 2009 - 08:52 PM.

[TAB]

The transparent ramp on VP9 is a big new feature When do they drop
...and easier with the lights images
But can't help me - the ball runs not smooth. Having a highspeed machine Selfbuild!

Edited by TAB, 27 March 2009 - 08:38 PM.

[computerfrk1]

vp9 does not work for me

[studmuff]

vp9 does not work for me

What's the problem maybe one of us could help?

[computerfrk1]

no backgrounds when running VP8 tables

[Noah Fentz]

Have you tried running a VP 9 table?

They need to be modded or created for use with VP 9.

Be sure to enable reels and decals in the editor

[computerfrk1]

I know perhaps when I get the VP 9 tables that I have now available to me I will go ahead and use VP 9

[Proginoskes]

You can't compare VP8 physics with VP9 physics, because there are no tables out there that run on both.

VP9 should have been called something like "Another Pinball". At least Black had the decency to invent a new name ("Future Pinball").

--- christoPheR heckman

[destruk]

OK, All is all encompassing. Most VP8 single level playfield game will run on both VP8 and VP9. The new default table runs on both. To simply compare physics you have 3 different physics models to choose from - VP8.1 VP Physics, VP8.1 Ultracade Physics, and VP9 Ultracade Physics.

So realistically, the question should be approached by comparing the ball movement, which anyone can easily see by simply running the table and playing a few games.

Sure you're upset, and sure go ahead and voice your opinion. You can either continue being angry at how this came about, or you can move on and work or give some suggestions how to make it better. The more you whine and complain with no tangible effort at a solution, the less likely it will be anyone will give credence to your claims. You want the name changed, we'll see if we can get Nanotech Entertainment and Randy Davis to give their permission to change the name. Because it is BASED on VP's source code, I think you just might have to suffer and look at the same name. It is not a different program, simply different physics, so a name change like "Visual Pinball NanoTech Physics" or some such alternative naming scheme could be a possibility.