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#161 Skitso

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Posted 11 May 2018 - 05:36 PM

I'm having DMD trouble with Star Trek Enterprise Limited Edition:

 

I'm playing with one screen setup where my monitor is in portrait mode. All my other tables work fine with ROL=1 setting, but with this table, the DMD is by default upside down, so even with with ROL set to 1, the DMD is still only 90 degrees rotated. Any ideas what to do to fix this?

 

Here's the script:

 

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Edited by Skitso, 11 May 2018 - 05:56 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2018 - 05:57 PM

Upside down, try using "ror" instead of "rol".



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Posted 11 May 2018 - 05:58 PM

There is both rol and ror options, try adding line for ror and set it to 0 and 1

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 08:59 PM

Of course. Thanks. :)

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 09:08 AM

Hi all a Newb here hoping to get some help. I am hoping to play a good version of Stern's Meteor, vertically, that is my goal, probably my fav table. 

 

So I am on a PC, and I REALLY don't want to turn the monitor, it is just not set up for it.  The good version (read most like the original) of Meteor is full screen, and shows up horizontally = no good for me.

 

I tried both solutions in the OP, editing the script and then the registry, no change.  I compiled the script after making the change, not sure if I missed something else here small detail, OR, maybe what I want is not what the OP is set out to do? 

 

I hope someone can help.  I figured out how to play the FS Meteor game vertically by changing the X, Y settings in the backdrop, but the problem is the lights on the table no longer work right  :( 

 

So I'm stuck, hope someone can help. 

 

ps - side note question, when playing VP9 games no flipper lag at all, when playing all VPX games I have flipper lag?   Ideas here? 


Oh, there might be one other solution for me if a coder or someone with some coding trouble shooting knowledge sees this.  This table:  https://www.vpforums...s&showfile=2173

 

seems decent, but like the comment says under the OP there, the ball gets stuck in the outer exit lanes, maybe someone can fix that?



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Posted 06 September 2018 - 09:19 AM

So if you downloaded this Meteor table here...

https://www.vpforums...s&showfile=4804

There are 2 tables in the download file. Use the version2.

 

So after you rotate this table for DT usage, you then open table script and go to Line 138 and you will see this..

 

        .Hidden=True

 

Change True to False so it looks like this....

 

        .Hidden=False

 

This will make the DMD visible.

 

Hope this helps.


CHECK OUT THIS TUTORIAL http://www.vpforums....howtopic=32515
TO USE DB2S BACKGLASS PROGRAM WITH DESKTOP TABLES ON 1 MONITOR
 

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 09:46 AM

Hi thanks for the fast reply.  Like I said, I am a newb!  LOL  I tried that, and what happens is the numbers for score etc that were not showing because they are not in the grid, now show up.  Is that the DMD

 

If so, I guess I must have posted in the wrong thread....newbs lol    What I want is the make the WHOLE table, that is showing up horizontal, show up vertical instead. 

 

Side note question, how do you play future pinball tables, a separate exe? 



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Posted 06 September 2018 - 10:12 AM

Future Pinball is a seperate program and exe.

So to rotate a FS table to DT view, you would change the XY rotation number from 270 to 0, and adjust the other numbers accordingly. As seen in pic.

First you make sure both the Options tab and Backdrop tab are pressed and you will see on right side of editor Colors and Formatting,

This is where you would adjust the numbers.

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I did a quick FS to DT conversion for you and will add it as attachment for a short time.

Here is what it looks like...

capture225_t.png

 

Here is link to FSv2 converted to DT view...

LINK GONE

 

Hope this helps.


Edited by xenonph, 07 September 2018 - 12:03 PM.

CHECK OUT THIS TUTORIAL http://www.vpforums....howtopic=32515
TO USE DB2S BACKGLASS PROGRAM WITH DESKTOP TABLES ON 1 MONITOR
 

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 11:25 AM

Thanks a lot again!  So yeah, I did get that far as I noted, and just like the file you posted to drop box (thx), the lights do NOT work anymore when doing it this way, not sure why.  Instead of being non-lit by default like they are in the FS version before being modded, now they are lit all the time after modding it to be vertical :( 

 

This is why I was looking for another solution, the game plays well enough, but without the lights is not fully functional, at least visually

 

Also on that note, another fav of mine, Nitro Ground Shaker, does not have a good vpt file uploaded here.  Best one I can find does not have specials and extra ball working :(   (and as I noted above, vpx files all have flipper lag for me)

 

I'll bet these issues are child's play for anyone who knows some coding, hoping I won't have to learn another 'language'....



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Posted 03 December 2020 - 08:38 PM

Hi! I've tried all methods to rotate a DMD and all of them fail for all the tables I have.

 

  • I've tried changing "rol" setting in the script for tables that had that line originally included.
  • I've tried adding a line to the script and I checked, it has been changing the rol value in the windows regestry, so I assume I've done that right.
  • Lastly, I have changed the rol and/or ror value in the registry directly. Nothing seems to work for me... DMD stays how it is no matter what I do...

 

I have a laptop with additional screen in portrait mode and run tables in FS mode. What am I doing wrong?



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Posted 03 December 2020 - 08:57 PM

Hi! I've tried all methods to rotate a DMD and all of them fail for all the tables I have.

 

  • I've tried changing "rol" setting in the script for tables that had that line originally included.
  • I've tried adding a line to the script and I checked, it has been changing the rol value in the windows regestry, so I assume I've done that right.
  • Lastly, I have changed the rol and/or ror value in the registry directly. Nothing seems to work for me... DMD stays how it is no matter what I do...

 

I have a laptop with additional screen in portrait mode and run tables in FS mode. What am I doing wrong?

 WHere is the DMD?
And what kind of "DMD" are we displaying?

 

The VPM display will rotate with ROL and ROR
other types of DMD display will not

If the DMD is on your laptop screen, and that screen is in landscape mode, then by default the DMD display should simply be correct

But knowing exactly what you are displaying, what table
and showing a screen shot, would help a lot in getting a useful answer


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Posted 03 December 2020 - 09:51 PM

DMD is on the laptop's screen but I can move it around but it stays in the same orientation- see print screen. I'd like to play using single screen. 

 

And what kind of "DMD" are we displaying? I am a newb so can't answer that easily. I have followed the installation guide from here. Installed All in One installer and DMDExt (aka Freezy, DMD Extensions). All in all, I think it's the VPinMAME (1.42) that is responsible for display of the DMD

 

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Posted 03 December 2020 - 10:51 PM

That is not a VPM DMD, it is external DLL (aka freezy's DMDext) so it does not hear ROL or ROR
and it does not Rotate, it is meant to be displayed on the backglass screen with an OS orientation of LANDSCAPE

 

If you want it on the playfield instead of running backglasses on the laptop screen, you got 2 choices.

Rotate the OS to vertical and change your fullscreen table orientation to 0 rotation (or 180 if it is upsidedown)

OR

Disable external DLL and use VPM, which is rotatable and listens to ROL and ROR

Just make sure show DMD is checked when hitting F1
and that the table script does not have .hidden = 1

 

This will not help you in a table that does not use a DMD that originates from VpinMAME
 


Edited by wiesshund, 03 December 2020 - 10:52 PM.

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Posted 04 December 2020 - 08:16 PM

Thanks! This has fixed the problem. I hope this will be helpful for others that will come to this topic (not just another newb post...) 



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Posted 04 December 2020 - 11:19 PM

Thanks! This has fixed the problem. I hope this will be helpful for others that will come to this topic (not just another newb post...) 

 

Can i ask a question?

With your setup there
Why not run B2S backlglasses, and place the DMD on the provided area of the backglass screen
Make some dense foam wedges to hold onto the playfield monitor so you can kind of like lay it on the laptop or at least right in front of it.
The kind of foam that is kind of stiff and has very tiny holes in it, they use it a lot in things like make-up sponges

Plug in most any cheap gamepad, and you got a portable micro cab with backglass


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Posted 29 December 2021 - 04:00 PM

I need your help if possible - bought a real pinball machine "HRC" High Roller Casino from Stern, from 2001 - looking for the colorization files from the DMD field ( a colored Dot Matrix ) a full color LED DMD Display.

 

Hallo together; I am new in this Forum, I bought a real pinball machine "HRC" High Roller Casino from Stern, issued in Year 2001. By the way the pinball is a very nice playing pinball.

 

I need your help/support if possible

 

I am looking for the colorization files from the DMD ( a colored Dot Matrix ) a full color LED DMD Display.

 

The files from a real pinball machine / a WCS94 – were it works – (have the suffix: dat, fsq, pal )

 

At the moment is it not possible to get a colored LED DMD for this pinball machine.

 

But maybe it is possible to take the DMD file/s from virtual pinball - and transfer it somehow  in the real pinball machine. ( I hope this is also possible )

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Therefore I am trying to contact people who could help me kindlywise

 

QUESTIONS:

 

Do you know how I could get this kind of colored files from the virtual pinball program ???

Or maybe you know somebody who could help me ???

 

Target :

The files should fit to following system :  PIN2DMD

to put the file/s them into my real pinball machine. That`s my hope.

 

As my technical knowledge is NOT so big.

 

Therefore I like to thank you very much for your support in advance

 

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Posted 27 January 2024 - 04:50 PM

Hi. So you have to set the DMD for each table? Is there no way to set it for all tables? I'm playing desktop in portrait mode (VPX) . I pressed F1 and turned the dmd on so it displays. I dragged it to the top corner of the screen, but I'd like to rotate it? How can I do that?

 

As well, once I can rotate it, do I have to do the same thing for every table one at a time? Why no universal setting?

 

thanks

 

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Posted 27 January 2024 - 08:23 PM

Hi. So you have to set the DMD for each table? Is there no way to set it for all tables? I'm playing desktop in portrait mode (VPX) . I pressed F1 and turned the dmd on so it displays. I dragged it to the top corner of the screen, but I'd like to rotate it? How can I do that?

 

As well, once I can rotate it, do I have to do the same thing for every table one at a time? Why no universal setting?

 

thanks

 

I'm just getting into this awesome hobby!

 

go to the vpinmame key in the registry

 currentuser \ software \ freeware

there will be a sub key named default

 

look at one of the roms that you rotated

you will notice it has a value for ror or rol depending on what way you rotated it

note that entry exactly

now go back to the default sub key, and create an identical entry

 

now the default will be to rotate


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Posted 28 January 2024 - 01:49 AM

 

Hi. So you have to set the DMD for each table? Is there no way to set it for all tables? I'm playing desktop in portrait mode (VPX) . I pressed F1 and turned the dmd on so it displays. I dragged it to the top corner of the screen, but I'd like to rotate it? How can I do that?

 

As well, once I can rotate it, do I have to do the same thing for every table one at a time? Why no universal setting?

 

thanks

 

I'm just getting into this awesome hobby!

 

go to the vpinmame key in the registry

 currentuser \ software \ freeware

there will be a sub key named default

 

look at one of the roms that you rotated

you will notice it has a value for ror or rol depending on what way you rotated it

note that entry exactly

now go back to the default sub key, and create an identical entry

 

now the default will be to rotate

 

 

I sort of got there. The issue is that there are tables in a Tables folder in VPX. When I follow your instructions, I don't see some of the tables in the Vpinmame section of the registry. As an example, I'm experimenting with Ace Ventura, but it's not showing in the section of the registry you mention. I WAS able to find a table there (Alien Star) and rotate the DMD and I created an entry in Default like you said, but it doesn't seem to have affected the other tables I've looked at so far. (just to confirm, you mean "Default" that's located with the Roms, right? 

The tables in VPinmame/roms seem to be different tables. I didn't set this up, someone else did.

I did happen to find another table that was in Vpinmame/roms. The DMD was not rotated automatically.

 

 

I just tried the edit script method with Ace Ventura. That DID work. Is there a way to do that method just once for all the VPX tables? It'd be pretty time consuming editing each and every script.


Edited by schwang, 28 January 2024 - 02:14 AM.


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Posted 28 January 2024 - 03:37 AM

It is as i explained above

i do not think you did what i explained though since you started mention tables folder etc?

there are no tables folders in the registry

 

Default (applies to ALL ROMS unless the ROMS individual entry says different) Highlighted

No table names here, only ROM names, and no folders here.

 

In default create reg DWORD ror (or rol if you roll left)

value is decimal 1

 

now all VPM ROM displays will rotate

this has 0 effect on freezy's display, freezys does not rotate

 

 

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