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[arngrim]

 

 

Thanks for the results so far, very interesting. I also want to stress again that not only the absolute numbers for the max time are important, but maybe even more the ratio between max and average time, so keep that in mind.

 

im convinced its the .dll

 

 

To clarify, you consistently get more stutter with this DLL, even when playing tables which do not rely on the extra functionality added by that custom build?

I made these builds and they don't have more functionalities, just an additional .c that adds more roms to the list of supported roms

[DJRobX]

Do we need to get the hyperpin folks involved?
 

 

Hyperpin itself is not likely an issue, more likely is FPLaunch which is a big, complicated AutoHotKey script that's hooking into the input path.     Could test the theory by configuring Hyperpin to launch VP directly.   You'd need to manually start the table, but you'd quickly be able to see if your performance issues go away or not.

[LoadedWeapon]

My tests are with hyperpin.. no issues.. could be memory issue I do have 8g plus both cards have 2g but I wouldent think it was that... something is causing slow down for people..
on a side note hyperpin does have a memory leak and over time it will use it all up so if you only have 2 or 4 gig it might be a problem faster

Edited by LoadedWeapon, 06 March 2014 - 04:21 PM.

[Argo]

Guys, I have some interesting news for you.

I've gotten sweetfx to work in dx9 VP.

 

Download the latest 1.5.1 version. Copy all the files to the "tables" folder.

Then, copy d3d9.dll and d3d9.fx in the same folder where the .exe file is.

Enjoy!

[Arcade4]

What is sweetfx?
Never mind. Googled it

Edited by Arcade4, 06 March 2014 - 04:38 PM.

[toxie]

Cool, actually just this morning i also thought of giving it a try..

 

Maybe you can share some pictures if you found some cool settings for some tables..

[teppotee]

Decided to give the SweetFx a quick try and followed the above instructions. Unfortunately VP crashed immediately when launching a table with d3d9.dll and d3d9.fx in the folder. So no luck here so far. 

Edited by teppotee, 06 March 2014 - 05:07 PM.

[chinzman93]

Cool, actually just this morning i also thought of giving it a try..

 

Maybe you can share some pictures if you found some cool settings for some tables..

+1

[toxie]

@teppotee: you have to copy -everything- to the vp directory, not just the dlls..

 

so far i'm a bit disappointed though..

SMAA in combination with luma sharpen (and maybe dither, depending on your monitor/TV) seems to be the only thing that really is interesting IMHO, the rest more or less just tweaks the colors (which can be cool of course, but i prefer the original look so far)..

 

if you're in for some laughs, enable advanced CRT..

 

(and FXAA doesn't seem to work, btw)

Edited by toxie, 06 March 2014 - 05:35 PM.

[Astromark3000]

Im going to try test 8 out see what issues a rise, will keep posted! been using pinballx and love iT! 

[Horrible]

Did some tests between VP 921 (930) and VP DX9 8a with two tables:

 

BALLY - TWILIGHT ZONE - MEGAPIN - VP9 - V1.2FSNM.Final

T2_CE_Tipoto_1.07_FS

 

First of all I tried loads of different settings on NVIDIA control panel and all I managed to do was speed the ball up (nice and smooth) at best.  Various settings resulted in Micro stutter.  Tried various settings in VP editor also.  At no point could I get above 60FPS (is it me - what am I doing wrong, VSYNC was off and everything?).

 

 

Ideas welcome.

 

Anyway had some problems in DX9 8a (and predicessors) with table graphics (see black lines below):

 

VP 921:

 

 

 

 

 

DX9 8a:

T2 chrome more lines appeared around anything that moved (flippers, bumpers, pops etc.). Table also seemed slightly blurred.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by Horrible, 06 March 2014 - 06:32 PM.

[mukuste]

@teppotee: you have to copy -everything- to the vp directory, not just the dlls..

 

so far i'm a bit disappointed though..

SMAA in combination with luma sharpen (and maybe dither, depending on your monitor/TV) seems to be the only thing that really is interesting IMHO, the rest more or less just tweaks the colors (which can be cool of course, but i prefer the original look so far)..

 

if you're in for some laughs, enable advanced CRT..

 

(and FXAA doesn't seem to work, btw)

 

I'm curious about SMAA, is it noticeably better than FXAA? Maybe we could implement it natively, the code is out there after all, and I don't think it's much slower than FXAA.

[krille81]

i have try sweetfx too smaa in combination of luma sharpen and hdr rocks!!!! you get a darker picture with crystal cleat text on all lights 

Thank you Argo!

[unclewilly]

Pic please

[Argo]

@teppotee: I've tried different ways before, but now, thanks also to the .log file SweetFX automatically creates and the instructions (readme etc...) I found the solution.

Place all the files (including the SweetFX directory) in the "tables" folder. Then, copy (NOT CUT, I've tried but it doesn't work) the d3d9.dll and d3d9.fx files in the main folder (where vp.exe is).

SMAA looks better than FXAA, it's less blurry (you can clearly see it in the texts on the playfield) and have almost the same performance hit.

The file "injector,ini" is where you can change some setting, I'll investigate a bit (you can do the same too).

http://img288.imagev...1_122_260lo.jpg

 

This is a screenshot of a table with sweetfx by default, but I don't think it gives it enough justice.

[toxie]

I'm curious about SMAA, is it noticeably better than FXAA? Maybe we could implement it natively, the code is out there after all, and I don't think it's much slower than FXAA.

 

 

it's not earth shattering, but its better IMHO.. performance suffers much more though (which is relative of course, it's still in the few msecs) as it uses multiple passes/buffers..

[zany]

Got the SweetFX to work on my i7 laptop, with a pretty lowend gfx card, and i tried Fish T*......looked nice, but had a HUGE impact on the FPS...from around 350 to 50.
Awesome find though!

[tipoto]

DX9 8a:

T2 chrome more lines appeared around anything that moved (flippers, bumpers, pops etc.). Table also seemed slightly blurred.

Yes, it's what I said before, it's blurred because of the AA, this table has to be played without any AA (except the ball which needs AA), but I don't know how we disable the AA locally in the DX9 version, without changing the general settings of VP of course, in VP920 it's very simple, there is a checkbox for that, but now it's different. Can anyone explain me how to do that please? Thanks.

 

Also, when I get the T2 table launched, I get an error when I press "1" to start a game.

Edited by tipoto, 06 March 2014 - 08:24 PM.

[BuckoBundy]

First off, let me say 'thank you' to you hard working developers. Reading this thread, and the 9.2x ones, I am amazed at the progress being made and I can't wait to see what a vp10 version might bring

 

Every dx9 version I tried has been stable but today for the first time VP9_DX9_test8a crashed on me with a "fatal error: HRESULT 88760868..\RenderDevice.cpp:366" error. I see this has been reported before once by bosvrucht (post 223) and that was with the very first dx9 test version. I had been playing the table the error occured on for hours without any problem.. then suddenly the crash happened.

 

table was: The Getaway VP92 (http://www.vpforums....showtopic=27018)

My old system: core2 E6400, 9600GT, win7 32bit

 

I'll play some more tomorrow and see what happens..

[Argo]

Is it just me or test8 stutters much more than test7? Even with sweefx and a gt630, test7 runs pretty good to me.

Edited by Argo, 06 March 2014 - 08:47 PM.