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[woodsy15]

Cheddar, thanks for the great detailed response.  I tried both solutions and did not have success.  All sounds still to my cabinet sound card.  Not sure if it matters but the LOTR table is the 1.4 MegaPin FS  ??  Tried Sound=1 and Sound = 0, and made the changes to the Table/Sounds etc.. Still no go.  Thanks for the help but still a mystery ;-)

[Sir Cheddar]

That's funny. Have you tried assigning an sample to BG out on a different table? EMs are easiest to test since they usually have the least amount of samples.

Edited by Sir Cheddar, 19 April 2014 - 10:37 AM.

[woodsy15]

Hey Cheddar, just wanted to check back in after further testing. I ended up wiping my win 7 to try an XP install. This was after reading posts here that xp had better performance and fps. It was true, gained an avg of 100 fps per table. Anyway, your suggestion of setting the VP sounds and then assigning the sample files to bgout worked under xp. Just did not work under win 7 ?? Weird but glad to get the lotr table working better. Received many boxes of parts today from virtuapin so my build will be starting soon ! Thanks for the help again. Cheers

[Sir Cheddar]

Great!

 

I'm running W7 so perhaps it was related to your sound drivers.

Good luck with your build

[edgley]

I've just pulled my iRacing rig apart to build my table.

I have three of the Clarks and one of the Aura, and an 10" sub to fit into my table.

 

I was using the Simvibe s/w too; waited so long for a proper tactile, just to pull it all apart when I get it

I'm still at the pulling my hair out getting a few tables working over three (or just one sometimes) screens.

 

Good to see the sound can be spit over different cards, and nice to be working on something that doesn't need a 5.1 setup

[Darkfall]

For those of you wanting to drive a transducer (like the Aura, for example), but only have a regular amplifier without a crossover (as subwoofer amplifiers typically do), you can add a crossover to the audio path easily enough and get the same result.

 

Cross over around 80Hz using a simple 12db per octave design. The crossover itself is very simple to build (2 parts - an inductor and a capacitor). See here:

 

http://www.diyaudioa...r/2ndOrder.aspx

 

You'd put this circuit between the amp and the transducer or woofer (whichever you're using), and it'll dump the high frequencies so you speaker/transducer doesn't blow up on you. Make sure you pick values from the table that match the impedance of your noise maker (Auras are typically 4 ohm, whereas some others are 8 or even 16 ohm).

 

The crossover doesn't kill anything over 80Hz - it rolls off the audio starting at 80Hz at 12 decibels per octave - so it's a curve, not a dead cut. That is normal for a crossover. You can build an even cheaper one that does it at 6db per octave, but that starts getting a little sloppy. 12db is a pretty solid choice, since 18db and up start getting more complex and aren't really necessary.

Edited by Darkfall, 16 June 2014 - 08:28 AM.

[ironlung]

Ive ordered an asus sound card with sub out and bass pump iii and a regular amp lepai 2020+ I'm running a Logitech 2.1 on the other sound card. I've set the card with 2.1 as primary and set up the asus card as similar through control panel. So basically they bough output the same. However the asus has a program where I can tweak the frequencies sent on the sub out. Would this be enough for the bass shaker or would directing the sounds to each card like discussed earlier be best?

[Pinball999]

I'm not sure to understand.. If both cards output the same, then you will have music on the shakers, right?

[ironlung]

Yes but i can change which frequencies to output from the card with the sub. If i just set it to 20-80 hz would it Get the mech sound(Shake) and the other set would Get music AND the mech sounds ?

[Pinball999]

I don't see the benefit of it..

Besides, it's better to have music and mech sounds coming from different locations:

Music from the backglass, and mech sounds from within the cab.

 

Well, you can still start with your configuration, and split later if you are not satisfied.

[ironlung]

Yeah i Get it but this is on a budget. The bass shaker was bought for feedback. The 2.1 is satelites in bg and sub is under pf. The sub is not good enough to give physical feedback, hence the shaker. I just wang the mech sounds and some feedback. I can live with the mech sounds comibg from bg as long as the shaker will create some feedback from the physical sounds and not voices and music. Is this possible with my scenario do you think? If not i guess i could try to split but i guess you mean from the shaker-line and it would be connected to a sub out. Wouldnt that just make terrible mech sounds..? Thanks alot so far!

[Pinball999]

Some musics are also using low frequencies and they would trigger the shakers, you don't want that. Have a llok at my signature, in my cab's thread there is a schema for the sound split. This should give you the best results

[ironlung]

Hi, thank you so far! I do have a rather small usb powered music angel which packs a pretty good sound. Maybe I could send all the mech sounds in vp to my sound card with the sub out, and connecting the music angel to the regular line out and keep music on the 2.1 system connected to the onboard card. Would that be better do you think? If going by your exact setup I'd need an extra amp I think and my cab is a 27" playfield and have hardly any space left now..

 

So: 

primary soundcard (onboard): 2.1 only music

secondary soundcard (external onboard with sub out): sub out --> bass shaker and line(green) out: speaker only mech sounds.

[Pinball999]

I'm confident that the primary sound card will be more than enough for the 2.1 and music.

But I'm not sure how you want to connect the bass shaker to the sub out. It is actually very similar to a speaker, and use the same connection cables.

There's no way to plug it directly to the sub out

[ironlung]

So sorry. Totally forgot to add that i got a lepai 2020+ amp for the sub. Im going to try this and see how it works. Big ups for all the knowledge thats been dropped by you!

[Pinball999]

Thx.

I tried a similar approach first on my system, but could not get any sound from the sub output.

If you have the same issue, you can still use a Y cable from the green line.

 

Good luck with the build, keep us updated!

[ironlung]

Got it today and got it running. I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong but I don't get much kicking. Unless I set the mixer to full but then I get crazy sounds when it shakes. I am running with card1 2.1 sound/music and card2s sub out to a lepai amp to the bass shaker and a small usb speaker out regular green line. Any tips on how to get more oomph? There is some feedback on some mech sounds but nothing from flippers or the ball rolling... Just a few ball dumps..

[Pinball999]

Two things:

-Can you try to connect the bass shaker to the green line?

-Not all tables have the same sounds. Try T2 chrome, the sound there is giving good results (not too much, not too few)

[ironlung]

I did try the it on the green line and I hardly got anything out from it. I also tried to run it as Center but the difference was big when I put it back as a Sub. Another thing is when I use it as a sub I do not get any mech sounds, only physical output which is good I think. I tried one more with another table yesterday and I think it was better. My first table I tried was Uncle Willys Monster bash and the flippers did not make any feedback. After that I tried the table Attack from Mars by JPsalas and there I noticed minor feedbak when using the flippers. I could not get any feedback from the ball itself. I haven't screwed the shaker down yet. Maybe that will help. Again thank you =)

[Pinball999]

Yes, screwing the shaker should give you better results, but you should not expect a huge "bump" from it. The shakers are great to reproduce more subtile sounds.

 

If you like some sounds in a table, extract them in the sound editor and copy them to tables with less effect.

Also, you should try EM tables like Giridon, it's a amazing to feel the EM wheels in motion!