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[Replay]

We get it.....

What all you don't get is, this is a DIY hobby....

DIY = (Do It Yourself) for the ones that may not know

 

People are doing it themselves alright by buying pre-configured setups because *you* guys don't do it right!

 

Fixing the current unorganized system will put a stop to this douchebaggery.

 

Some random guy throwing up over a hundred of PM5 tables on MEGA with ROMs and that is accepted and doesn't cause people to get heated?

 

When a new user just wants to look at all the artwork and have everything working without putting hundreds of hours into BS renaming work and that's asking too much?

Guys wanting to put cabs into people's homes that can't build them and that is asking too much?

 

Everyone work together to fix the current BS system and that will resolve a lot of problems. FIX IT!

[gtxjoe]

90% of the BS you download is from authors that are no longer active so 90% won't be fixed.

If there are 3 versions of the table and 3 versions of the backglass and 3 versions of media packs and 3 versions of wheel logos and then you also have desktop users that could care less about backglasses and media pack. What is your proposal to FIX IT?????? If This BS is so easy, tell us exactly what should be packaged with what?

Let's start wit Medieval Madness. Replay - give us direction for the single download that should exist to cater to everyone's needs. Tell us how you will handle when someone updates a table or someone releases a new backglass. Are existing users gonna have to download the single zipfile again even if only the backglass changes? Post your solution so we can end all the BS once and for all...

Edited by gtxjoe, 14 July 2016 - 02:49 AM.

[hauntfreaks]

this is only a problem when it comes to someone wanting to put 100's of files into there rig at once and then when they go to see it work it doesnt.... 

IF these were put in a few at a time and named properly this is NOT an issue.... welcome to having a hobby and going to best buy and getting a toy thats all prepared and configured for little Jimmy

 

this is where i'll get beat up a bit.... all my tables are in there own folders so just that the folder is named correct, doesnt matter what the tables name it.... oh no, i thought outside the box!!!   and this box you cant just read the instructions on the back... 

 

example

 

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[updon719]

I don't know how many admins Noah has and I can only image what the file count is on the site but I think it would be one daunting challenge to fix, that is unless Noah doesn't require sleep.  The file naming structure seems to be getting a bit more consistent, but agree with gtx the older v8, v9, DT, FS, spanned, etc do clutter, dropping a file from the search after a couple years of inactivity?  then an inactive file search?  whatever it is it will be one hell of an operation

[hauntfreaks]

Joe ICP

this is what there looking for.... this happens in EVERY hobby forum.... it will always happens....

 

ok... this is an old old forum analogy

its call the "kite building analogy" I cant find the whole thing online to copy and paste so i will give you the abbreviated version (because i'm lazy)

its in Q and A format

 

heres the setup... a teenager goes into a library seeking info on how to build a kite (library, i know, its fictional)

 

kid> seeking info on how to build a kite

librarian> ok, we have many books on making kites, what kind of kite do you want to make?

K> I dont know just a kite

L>ok... over there you will find a cabinet with  index cards in it, look under K for Kite

K>can you show me where the cabinet is?

L> it right over there to the left

K>can you just show me please

L>ok... let go over there

K>thank you

L>ok here's the cabinet

K>can you shot me the cards?

L>look under K for kite

K>can you please just show me

L>ok... heres the drawer for K

K>where are the kite cards?

L>under K

K>can you please show me the kite cards

L>ok... here they are, all these are for kites

K>what ones are for building kite

L> well look for Building kites

K> can you please show me the ones for building kites

L>ok... what kind of kite?

K> i dont know i just want to build a kite... just pick one

L> ok... a box kite

K>sounds good, where are the books

L> the card says there over there 

K>where?

L>3 rows down on the left

K>can you take me to the books?

L>its right there

K>please just show me

L>ok... follow me.... there right here all these are for building a box kite

K>what one is the best??

L>well look thru them and find one toy like

K> can you just show me the best one?

L>well look and see what one has been taken the most times

K>what one is that?

L>look in each of the books and you will find out

K>can you just find it for me

L>ok... lets look thru them all together

K>i'll be over here waiting for you to find it and bring it to me

L>ok I found one

K>is it the best?

L>looks like it

K>ok thank you

L>ok lets go to the counter... so you can check it out

K> can you find me the part in the book on how to build it?

L> look at the table of contents

K.> can you find it for me

L>ok... its right here chapter 6 "building the box kite"

K> could you read it to me? please

L> chapter 6 building a box kite.... blah blah blah blah ok... take it home and good luck with your building

K> one last thing.... can you PLEASE BUILT A BOX KITE FOR ME

[Replay]

Let's start wit Medieval Madness. Replay - give us direction for the single download that should exist to cater to everyone's needs. Tell us how you will handle when someone updates a table or someone releases a new backglass. Are existing users gonna have to download the single zipfile again even if only the backglass changes? Post your solution so we can end all the BS once and for all...

 

A table update wouldn't matter as that wouldn't be contained in said media pack.

 

All that's needed is a good starting zip so the user has working wheel, backglass, DirectB2S, table image, table video, instruction cards, etc. etc. etc. with everything named correctly so it's all ready to go. It could be called master pack or something.

 

I haven't thought about the exact way it should be executed or designed because it was at the heat of the moment, but I'm sure you get the idea

[hauntfreaks]

LOL.... do you not understand that the same guy the makes a B2S might not be the same dude that builds the table, thats not the same dude that makes the logo?.... or flyers??

god damn learn the hobby before trying to simplify it it....

[ICPjuggla]

Joe ICP
this is what there looking for.... this happens in EVERY hobby forum.... it will always happens....
 
ok... this is an old old forum analogy
its call the "kite building analogy" I cant find the whole thing online to copy and paste so i will give you the abbreviated version (because i'm lazy)
its in Q and A format
 
heres the setup... a teenager goes into a library seeking info on how to build a kite (library, i know, its fictional)
 
kid> seeking info on how to build a kite
librarian> ok, we have many books on making kites, what kind of kite do you want to make?
K> I dont know just a kite
L>ok... over there you will find a cabinet with  index cards in it, look under K for Kite
K>can you show me where the cabinet is?
L> it right over there to the left
K>can you just show me please
L>ok... let go over there
K>thank you
L>ok here's the cabinet
K>can you shot me the cards?
L>look under K for kite
K>can you please just show me
L>ok... heres the drawer for K
K>where are the kite cards?
L>under K
K>can you please show me the kite cards
L>ok... here they are, all these are for kites
K>what ones are for building kite
L> well look for Building kites
K> can you please show me the ones for building kites
L>ok... what kind of kite?
K> i dont know i just want to build a kite... just pick one
L> ok... a box kite
K>sounds good, where are the books
L> the card says there over there 
K>where?
L>3 rows down on the left
K>can you take me to the books?
L>its right there
K>please just show me
L>ok... follow me.... there right here all these are for building a box kite
K>what one is the best??
L>well look thru them and find one toy like
K> can you just show me the best one?
L>well look and see what one has been taken the most times
K>what one is that?
L>look in each of the books and you will find out
K>can you just find it for me
L>ok... lets look thru them all together
K>i'll be over here waiting for you to find it and bring it to me
L>ok I found one
K>is it the best?
L>looks like it
K>ok thank you
L>ok lets go to the counter... so you can check it out
K> can you find me the part in the book on how to build it?
L> look at the table of contents
K.> can you find it for me
L>ok... its right here chapter 6 "building the box kite"
K> could you read it to me? please
L> chapter 6 building a box kite.... blah blah blah blah ok... take it home and good luck with your building
K> one last thing.... can you PLEASE BUILT A BOX KITE FOR ME

lol so true...

That's what's wrong with the world today and why it's so screwed up.

Everyone expects someone else to do everything for them. They all act like they are owed something for free and entitled to it as if it's expected.. If they don't get what they want, the way they want it, they throw a tantrum and act like a little baby about it. I feel bad about where our world is going, I'm glad I don't have much time left on it. I wouldn't want to be around 100 years from now if things keep going the way they are.. It's sad really.................

[hauntfreaks]

 

That's what's wrong with the world today and why it's so screwed up.

Everyone expects someone else to do everything for them. They all act like they are owed something for free and entitled to it as if it's expected.. If they don't get what they want, the way they want it, they throw a tantrum and act like a little baby about it. I feel bad about where our world is going, I'm glad I don't have much time left on it. I wouldn't want to be around 100 years from now if things keep going the way they are.. It's sad really.................

 

 

I say this EVERY day I wake up... I fully 100% know i'm an old grumpy ass bastard.... but for god F'ing sake

lol... heres an old guys story, when I was a kid about 12yrs old I was obsessed with skateboarding (still am)

I wanted a quarter pipe on my back patio.... it turned out to be a fully mini skatepark I WAS 12!!! I got NO help from my parents AT ALL, just there tools

fast forward 25yrs my step son and his friends were skateboarders and did that shit street skating BS and wanted a box, a F**king box to do there silly tricks on A BOX!! and couldnt do it themselves A BOX!!

at 12 I build ramps with transitions with NO plans or help and they couldnt build a box.... that my friends are what this world is made of now... people that cant even make themselves a f**king box!

 

EDIT:  this isnt the one when i was 12 but....  the first is from when i was 17, second 18, third my fat ass skating at 40  lol
these were built in the woods near a baseball field... were I ran extension cords from the clubhouse... 

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Edited by hauntfreaks, 14 July 2016 - 04:04 AM.

[robertms]

When a new user just wants to look at all the artwork and have everything working without putting hundreds of hours into BS renaming work and that's asking too much?

 

You want it easy get a PlayStation and play Pinball Arcade.

 

This is a hobby, a favorite pastime, it is supposed to be time consuming and rewarding when you get things accomplished on your own. We want our cabs to be unique, customized to our needs, no two are alike. I don't think I have a single game in my collection I haven't tinkered with and adjusted views, lighting, physics etc. Nothing about this hobby should be automated, quit crying over it! If you tried it and didn't like it GET OUT, nobody is keeping you hostage.

[hauntfreaks]

here i'll add more fuel to the frustration of modern society

here is a panoramic pic of a skatepark I overseen being build in my old town (I was like 43-45)

its was a grass roots project that took up 4yrs of my life  to be completed

in the end here is the response to 4yrs and $325,000 

these piece of shit kids told me, it wasnt how they wanted it and didnt like it... again this is the society we live in now

and to pat myself on the back the town gave me a plaque for volunteer of the year... oh and i needed to take care of it... nice right??...lol

 

 

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Edited by hauntfreaks, 14 July 2016 - 04:19 AM.

[Rotrax]

So Replay instead of being thankfull to a lot of people that put a lot of effort in preserving a great part of history. You blame the same people over here you're shady and crapy businesmodel where you can't figure out to make other people's hard work turn into profit?

well. ....... as an entrepeneur coach i would say there is not only somethimg wrong with the cost effective model you use but also with your're attittude.

[Replay]

 

robertms, on 13 Jul 2016 - 9:08 PM, said:

You want it easy get a PlayStation and play Pinball Arcade.

 

Don't need a PlayStation as I play TPA on my PC

 

So Replay instead of being thankfull to a lot of people that put a lot of effort in preserving a great part of history. You blame the same people over here you're shady and crapy businesmodel where you can't figure out to make other people's hard work turn into profit?

well. ....... as an entrepeneur coach i would say there is not only somethimg wrong with the cost effective model you use but also with your're attittude.

 

Not sure what points you're trying to make here Coach. Of course I'm thankful for all that's possible, but at the same time many things can be improved or be more efficiently executed especially for new users.

[hauntfreaks]

 

 

robertms, on 13 Jul 2016 - 9:08 PM, said:

You want it easy get a PlayStation and play Pinball Arcade.

 

Don't need a PlayStation as I play TPA on my PC

 

So Replay instead of being thankfull to a lot of people that put a lot of effort in preserving a great part of history. You blame the same people over here you're shady and crapy businesmodel where you can't figure out to make other people's hard work turn into profit?

well. ....... as an entrepeneur coach i would say there is not only somethimg wrong with the cost effective model you use but also with your're attittude.

 

Not sure what points you're trying to make here Coach. Of course I'm thankful for all that's possible, but at the same time many things can be improved or be more efficiently executed especially for new users.

 

 what part of this didnt you understand?.... or do you think one guy should make every aspect of the table all the way thru to the table load video?... typical leach mentality, speaking out of turn when not understanding at all how these FREE thing come to be...

do you think there is a factory and on Bob's work order is to make everything for lets say the "attack from mars" table into one nice little package? really?

or should we ask Alice to collect all the files that are for "attack from mars" and turn it into a nice little package??
i'm sure you feel like you're being beat up... right??... but does what you're asking even sound possible? now knowing kinda how it works??... does it? really??

maybe read this again

"LOL.... do you not understand that the same guy the makes a B2S might not be the same dude that builds the table, thats not the same dude that makes the logo?.... or flyers??

god damn learn the hobby before trying to simplify it it...."

[Replay]

i'm sure you feel like you're being beat up... right??... but does what you're asking even sound possible? now knowing kinda how it works??... does it? really??

maybe read this again

"LOL....

 

I'm thinking you've been beaten up one too many times because of the way you punctuate, capitalize, and how you write your posts  

[patrickfx]

From Replay : All that's needed is a good starting zip so the user has working wheel, backglass, DirectB2S, table image, table video, instruction cards, etc. etc. etc. with everything named correctly so it's all ready to go. It could be called master pack or something.

 

I 100% agree with this.  The force of the community / member should integrated all these in couple of days or weeks.  

 

By doing this, we can try one by one tables, take what we need depending on our preference and setup, AND PLAY. 

 

Let's start and see !!!  But like everything, if the people who have (let said .... power) on this site don't beleive it, it won't work.

 

Hope it help! 

 

Oh! forget it.   If we are doing this, for sure not 100% of developper will follow the rules by integrated it into one zip.  By mistake or intentionnaly but believe me, if more and more developper doing it, the force of community / member will fix it.

Edited by patrickfx, 14 July 2016 - 10:08 AM.

[hauntfreaks]

the best you have is about my grammar?.... come on man

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[hauntfreaks]

From Replay : All that's needed is a good starting zip so the user has working wheel, backglass, DirectB2S, table image, table video, instruction cards, etc. etc. etc. with everything named correctly so it's all ready to go. It could be called master pack or something.

 

I 100% agree with this.  The force of the community / member should integrated all these in couple of days or weeks.  

 

By doing this, we can try one by one tables, take what we need depending on our preference and setup, AND PLAY. 

 

Let's start and see !!!  But like everything, if the people who have (let said .... power) on this site don't beleive it, it won't work.

 

Hope it help! 

 

Oh! forget it.   If we are doing this, for sure not 100% of developper will follow the rules by integrated it into one zip.  By mistake or intentionnaly but believe me, if more and more developper doing it, the force of community / member will fix it.

read post #34

who is this guy thats making these packs?

there could be 10 versions of the same table, and 5 different B2S files,... who makes the decision on what one gets packed?

and again for 1 table it might have taken 8 guys to make all the different elements

do you guys really not understand how these things are created?

just the table alone could have taken 5 dudes....  

this is not a company with employees... its not TPA or FX2 its not a gaming or toy company
if I build a table, are you guys saying I should also make the B2S, the wheel, the B2S video, the Table video, find the flyers and the instruction cards..... then zip it all up in a nice little package? 

please stick with tpa and the other toys, this is for sure not the hobby for you

[patrickfx]

I will try to explain my idea with your question.

 

Your point : there could be 10 versions of the same table, and 5 different B2S files,... who makes the decision on what one gets packed?

My answer : So, the zip should contains 10 folders for tables, 5 folders for B2S

 

Your point : and again for 1 table it might have taken 8 guys to make all the different elements

My answer : The zip is only the medium and the concept of master packs.  It could take different form.  I'm sure with all API , idea, developper, it could be automatticaly zip.  I don't thing it is the responsability of people to zip it physically, the developper put it somewhere structured, then a program just grab it and zip it.

 

Your point : if I build a table, are you guys saying I should also make the B2S, the wheel, the B2S video, the Table video, find the flyers and the instruction cards..

My answer : For me, if structured or not, doesn't change this

 

Your point : please stick with tpa and the other toys, this is for sure not the hobby for you

My answer : For me, not because it's unstructured and difficult to find mean a HOBBY.

 

This is my opinion which can change but as far as I understand all the setup, which I do a little, I build 2 pincab., this is my idea.

[hauntfreaks]

since you answered like an adult i will do the same

I will try to explain my idea with your question.

 

Your point : there could be 10 versions of the same table, and 5 different B2S files,... who makes the decision on what one gets packed?

My answer : So, the zip should contains 10 folders for tables, 5 folders for B2S
Answer: so if someone wanted to DL ATM and it had 10 versions the zip would contain all 10 versions?
if so think about the file sizes this would create... and the stress on the sever with unnecessary large file DL's

 

Your point : and again for 1 table it might have taken 8 guys to make all the different elements

My answer : The zip is only the medium and the concept of master packs.  It could take different form.  I'm sure with all API , idea, developper, it could be automatticaly zip.  I don't thing it is the responsability of people to zip it physically, the developper put it somewhere structured, then a program just grab it and zip it.

answer: again no one paying for server space would ever do this.... I'm not saying its a bad idea, but it its not in the least cost effective

also many builders would not want their stuff packed in with other peoples stuff , that might sound odd, but i cant tell you for sure this is true....

 

Your point : if I build a table, are you guys saying I should also make the B2S, the wheel, the B2S video, the Table video, find the flyers and the instruction cards..

My answer : For me, if structured or not, doesn't change this
answer: I was making sure you understood that the builders would not want to carry that responsibility 

 

Your point : please stick with tpa and the other toys, this is for sure not the hobby for you

My answer : For me, not because it's unstructured and difficult to find mean a HOBBY.

 

This is my opinion which can change but as far as I understand all the setup, which I do a little, I build 2 pincab., this is my idea.

answer: this is an open forum anyone can voice there opinion and ideas

 

for sure part of the problem are the builders

-not putting tables in the correct category

-not including rom links

-not completely filling out upload form

 

I see that all the time... but how can anyone really complain about something they're getting for free

it would make sense if it was TPA or one of the pay to play companies.... its free, how cant people just be happy it is....