79 replies to this topic

[TedB]

TBH I think it is strange that so many VP members are having brand new PC's with pretty good specifications and included an ATI card. Should be known by now NVIDIA cards are the way to go (if you like to have the best VP experience).

[R_L]

TBH I think it is strange that so many VP members are having brand new PC's with pretty good specifications and included an ATI card. Should be known by now NVIDIA cards are the way to go (if you like to have the best VP experience).

I assume this was pointed towards me

Thing is I’m pretty new here, started around ver 9 with a ATI 5770 card and the experience was excellent until I decided to get my new 6970 2 GB card.
Ironically I did get a 2 GB card so I could get rid of the “off surface” issues on some tables running with a 1 GB card. Off surface I could live with but this is a step in the wrong directions from my view

So you’re suggestions are that I get an Nvidia card?

Any other suggestions?

[FDSystems]

I want everyone know to stop blaming ATI graphics cards over VP issues. VP can't handle reading the ATI drivers very well. "THIS ISN'T ATI DRIVERS ISSUES." The way Randy made the VP is when he didn't have a ATI graphics card at all. All he have is the NVIDIA graphics card. Most of the people working on the VP doesn't have a ATI graphics card as well. If it ATI drivers issues then "WHY MOST OF THE PC GAMES IS WORKING FINE WITH THOSE DRIVERS?" "SO STOP BLAMING THOSE PLEASE."

VP doesn't work right with the ATI until it have better video drivers reading support added on the VP by someone that have a ATI graphics card. Your stuck with the 9.0.9 or older until issues are fix.

If you look at my signature, you will see what type of ridiculous ATI card I have.

My laptop plays most of the VPM table & much better the three new JP´tables with VP911!

Thanks JP & DEV TEAM !

I have always had ATI cards & haven´t met problems that could not be worked around in a way or another.
VPMan is a great tool!

Edited by 1234fd, 27 February 2011 - 04:46 PM.

[TedB]

I assume this was pointed towards me

So you’re suggestions are that I get an Nvidia card?

Any other suggestions?

No just in general, but especially to the "old timers" here. I did buy a NVIDIA card to play VP after having issues with an ATI. I think the devs here all use NVIDIA so you will get the best support buying that.

[R_L]

I assume this was pointed towards me

So you’re suggestions are that I get an Nvidia card?

Any other suggestions?

No just in general, but especially to the "old timers" here. I did buy a NVIDIA card to play VP after having issues with an ATI. I think the devs here all use NVIDIA so you will get the best support buying that.

DANG!
If I only had read some more on the forums before I ran off and got my new card.
Does anyone else have something I can try before I flush my ATI card in the toilet???

cheers,

R_L

[R_L]

I was pretty sure that this was some kind of driver issue or something that could be done..
Here is what I did to test it.
I booted up my old HDD with the exact soft config I had before, the one that worked so smoth with my ATI RADEON HD 5770 1GB card from XFX, only difference was my new ATI RADEON HD 6970 2GB from ASUS. We talking about two separate win installations and tables on completely different paths and two separate winreg.
Booted up, let windows detect my card, rebooted one time and all looked fine in windows all other apps worked fine ink some games.
Drivers on the old HDD:
Driver Packaging Version 8.812-110104a-111988C-ATI
Provider ATI Technologies Inc.
2D Driver Version 8.01.01.1114
2D Driver File Path /REGISTRY/MACHINE/SYSTEM/ControlSet001/Control/CLASS/{4D36E968-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}/0001
Direct3D Version 7.14.10.0806
OpenGL Version 6.14.10.10428
Catalyst Control Center Version 2011.0104.2155.39304
Started up Vpinball909 and still have the same issue…
Looks like this:
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Crap guess I have to get a Nvidia card I and all my $ down the drain for the ATI card.

1. What Nvidia card should I get to be guaranteed to work with VP9.1.1 (current ver)
2. Can someone plz try to explain what’s going on and why it don’t work with the same drivers?
3. Has anyone a working setup with a different brand with the ATI 6970 chip?

Thanks,

R_L

Edited by R_L, 27 February 2011 - 08:19 PM.

[Mitchell]

This is VP issue not your graphics card and drivers. If it works on online games then your fine on that card. If online games having issue with it then try another graphics driver. If that doesn't work then get another graphics card. I don't see why people panic over this crap and wasting money down the drain from buying another graphics card just for VP.

Btw: I don't like the Hardware Device Rendering off because I see white dots on the edges of the parts of my tables.

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R_L uninstall the drivers. Do clean up with Driver Sweeper from http://phyxion.net/Downloads/ After that reboot then reinstall drivers or try another drivers version. Seem like that have to be drivers issues.

Make sure Nvidia is check as well because I found those drivers on my computer and I had to removed those. I have no idea why there is Nvidia drivers on my computer when I have no Nvidia graphics card in my machine. Unless the motherboard have a Nvidia chip or Windows 7 64-bit install those drivers by default.

Edit: Whoops forgot to post the snapshot of the table with the Hardware Device Rendering off.

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Edited by Mitchell, 27 February 2011 - 08:57 PM.

[destruk]

DANG!
If I only had read some more on the forums before I ran off and got my new card.
Does anyone else have something I can try before I flush my ATI card in the toilet???

cheers,

R_L

It's more fun to put it in the microwave. That might fix it. Let us know what happens. You might try enabling the 'limited textures' option in video preferences, and be sure you're running in 32bit mode.

Edited by destruk, 27 February 2011 - 09:40 PM.

[epthegeek]

I'm running catalyst version 10.11 and everything seems fine. Even in vp 9.1.1. I'm not seeing any of these odd graphics problems you're having. I have an ATI 5970.

[sleepy]

How was Hardware Rendering enabled per table in the older VP9?
Was that setting stored in the table file or somewhere in the registry?

Edited by sleepy, 27 February 2011 - 09:44 PM.

[sleepy]

As VP is only running at DX7 values, does that mean that the VP frame rate is only 60 FPS?
DX7 never produced framerates above that figure. Anything higher was duplication of frames.

Is it possible then that the ATI cards are accelerating too well?

http://www.vpforums....s...st&p=104363

In times past, with things like glitches and stutter, the advice was to turn down the Hardware Acceleration settings, not off unless indicated or by desperation.

EDIT: Or disable Write Combining under Display > Settings tab > Advanced button > Troubleshoot tab.

Edited by sleepy, 01 March 2011 - 03:35 AM.

[sleepy]

Try using the VPMan frontend.
In VPMan: Right-click on a table in the compiled list of tables > choose Set Launch Options > put a check in the Disable DirectDraw box, then try the table.

EDIT: To disable DirectDraw for all tables, open VPMan.
Click File > Set Default Launching Options and put a check in the Disable DirectDraw box.

Edited by sleepy, 04 March 2011 - 11:40 PM.

[FDSystems]

Try using the VPMan frontend.
In VPMan: Right-click on a table in the compiled list of tables > choose Set Launch Options > put a check in the Disable DirectDraw box, then try the table.

I have many tables I can only play smoothly with DirectDraw disabled in VPMan & HR render unchecked in the VP editor.

[requlem]

is a dropable objets bug. Only dropable objets looks bad. Plz fix it!!

[Mitchell]

is a dropable objets bug. Only dropable objets looks bad.

That is what I been saying. It a bug on my end with the Hardware Device Rendering enable.

This doesn't happen on the 9.0.9 and under with the Hardware Device Rendering enable.

Edited by Mitchell, 06 March 2011 - 09:22 AM.

[Captain Caveman]

Right Click the ATI Catalyst Icon and goto Catalyst A.I. and disable it.. then run VP..

It helped me and has with other games too..

[cupid]

Right Click the ATI Catalyst Icon and goto Catalyst A.I. and disable it.. then run VP..

It helped me and has with other games too..

Did it help?

I Just tested VP 912 with an ATI-Card... All seemed fine... Newest Drivers, all at default. No prob...

[d3xtro]

Right Click the ATI Catalyst Icon and goto Catalyst A.I. and disable it.. then run VP..

It helped me and has with other games too..

Did it help?

I Just tested VP 912 with an ATI-Card... All seemed fine... Newest Drivers, all at default. No prob...

I also use AMD Catalyst 11.2 Display Driver for Windows XP (32-bits). Running at default settings.
Disabling A.I. did not me help me to resolve my transparent ramp error with VP 912.

Everything else is fine in VP 912.

See my previous posting in this thread.

[cupid]

Right Click the ATI Catalyst Icon and goto Catalyst A.I. and disable it.. then run VP..

It helped me and has with other games too..

Did it help?

I Just tested VP 912 with an ATI-Card... All seemed fine... Newest Drivers, all at default. No prob...

I also use AMD Catalyst 11.2 Display Driver for Windows XP (32-bits). Running at default settings.
Disabling A.I. did not me help me to resolve my transparent ramp error with VP 912.

Everything else is fine in VP 912.

See my previous posting in this thread.

In your previous post, you said that you disabled HW-Device Rendering. Looking at your picture: Yes, that's the way alpha ramps look, when HW-Device rendering is disabled. What happens, if you select HW-Device-Rendering enabled?

[d3xtro]

Right Click the ATI Catalyst Icon and goto Catalyst A.I. and disable it.. then run VP..

It helped me and has with other games too..

Did it help?

I Just tested VP 912 with an ATI-Card... All seemed fine... Newest Drivers, all at default. No prob...

I also use AMD Catalyst 11.2 Display Driver for Windows XP (32-bits). Running at default settings.
Disabling A.I. did not me help me to resolve my transparent ramp error with VP 912.

Everything else is fine in VP 912.

See my previous posting in this thread.

In your previous post, you said that you disabled HW-Device Rendering. Looking at your picture: Yes, that's the way alpha ramps look, when HW-Device rendering is disabled. What happens, if you select HW-Device-Rendering enabled?

Hi cupid,

First of all thank you for your reply and for your hard work on VP9 !!!



Your reply started me thinking ...



This is what I did:

First double-click [VPinball912.exe] to setup VP 912.

Note the checked box for Hardware Device Rendering !!!

Also note the resolution and color depth:

1920x1080x16 !!!



It makes a HUGE difference because I always had it on:

1920x1080x32

This is how JPSalas' Flintstones_VP911_1.01 looks like in 1920x1080x32:





This is how JPSalas' Flintstones_VP911_1.01 looks like in 1920x1080x16:





I start my VP tables through VP-Man 5.50 so from now on it will look like this:



I can tell you it works brilliantly with my Gainward Radeon HD 4870 1GB GDDR5 Golden Sample Graphics Card.

Finally I can enjoy transparent ramps !!!



Cheers,



EDIT NOTE: highlighted important text in bold

Edited by d3xtro, 08 March 2011 - 09:23 AM.