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[goldchicco]

File Name: Bow And Arrow (Bally 1974)

File Submitter: goldchicco

File Submitted: 15 Oct 2021

File Category: VPX/VPinMAME Recreations

Author(s): Goldchicco
JP Salas
Manufacturer: Bally
Year: 1974
Permission to MOD?: Yes, with approval

VPX 10.6 table
Solid State version from Bally and only 17 units of this table were made
 
Based on JP Salas vp9 release
 
Special Thanks to :
JP Salas for the vp9 table used as base for create this one in VPX
@Arestis for redrawing  the plastics.
@Thalamus for the Playfield mesh
@batch for the backdrop image for Desktop users
 
Table include:
' Fleep sound package
' Table physics (using nfozzy/roth/fleep guidline)
'  nFozzy flippers physics
' JP's LUT code


Press F6  and configure the Dip switches to select different features and setup the table - need to do this only once
 
To rotate and select between the nine LUT files press and Hold the LEFT Magnasave and rotate pressing the Right Magnasave.
 
Hope you enjoy it and please leave constructive feedback or comments in the support topic and will try to make it better.
 
All Logos, Copyrights and Trademarks are property of their respective owners.
 
PROVIDED STRICTLY FOR PERSONAL / HOME USE AND NOT FOR COMMERCIAL SALE / RE-SALE OR DISTRIBUTION!
 
Permission to Mod: Yes with approval

Click here to download this file

[clyde]

Great work guys! Looks really nice.

[Mrtr32]

Wow Great work goldchicco!

 

Thank's for this rare table!

[TT11]

I just went searching last week for an update to this table from my FP version I have been running for years.  Thank you very much goldchicco for ending my search!  Well done.

[Emre]

I'm getting controller needed error. I tried the roms on here and on vpu. 

 

Fix: Change "Const cController" to 1 in the script.

 

Holding "Home" button shuts down the table and i couldn't find a fix for it. How can i disable this feature?

 

Fix: Commenting out Line 321 that starts with Case 199 fixed it.

 

Great table, thank you.

Edited by Emre, 16 October 2021 - 07:29 AM.

[goldchicco]

@emre
Quick question: are you in 10.6 or 10.7?

[Emre]

@emre
Quick question: are you in 10.6 or 10.7?

 

10.7 but i tried it with 10.6 too. I had the same problems.

[Itchigo]

Is there an EM version of this? I played the SS version IRL, but I much prefer the EM version.

[goldchicco]

Is there an EM version of this? I played the SS version IRL, but I much prefer the EM version.

Being grateful to have the SS version at the moment, since this table was not yet released in VPX.
And for example: thanks for the SS version, but is there a chance or is possible to have in the future the EM version of this table.
Trust me sounds much better to the entire team that spent 5 months working on this release.
Anyways I don't work EM tables, probably you want to ask Loserman (for example) if he want to develop the EM version, using this as base, I will be more than happy to see the EM version of this table too.
I mean we have in VPX a table that was released in only 17 units in real life.
I understand is hard to make everybody happy.....

@emre
Quick question: are you in 10.6 or 10.7?

 
10.7 but i tried it with 10.6 too. I had the same problems.

I developed this table in 10.6 and worked on it since June, then I passed to a couple of other friends to work the images and the pf mesh and no one reported issues.
Did you ever play the vp9 version??

Edited by goldchicco, 16 October 2021 - 11:33 AM.

[BobAlbright]

   Like the table. It needs a high score post it note though

[goldchicco]

Like the table. It needs a high score post it note though

I'm pretty sure it will be added on the EM version of this table when someone will release it.
Glad you like the table

[rockhouse]

brilliant table thanks       

[mcgrumet]

I was also was getting errors and followed Fix mentioned above post.  Thanks

 

Fix: Change "Const cController" to 1 in the script  (On line 5)

 

Fix: Commenting out Line 321 that starts with Case 199 fixed it.

 

 F1 does not seem to work to eliminate DMD . F6 does work.

 I have to right check on DMD to get to F1 window. Any ideas ?

 

 Using 10.6 and desktop mode

[loserman76]

 

Is there an EM version of this? I played the SS version IRL, but I much prefer the EM version.

Being grateful to have the SS version at the moment, since this table was not yet released in VPX.
And for example: thanks for the SS version, but is there a chance or is possible to have in the future the EM version of this table.
Trust me sounds much better to the entire team that spent 5 months working on this release.
Anyways I don't work EM tables, probably you want to ask Loserman (for example) if he want to develop the EM version, using this as base, I will be more than happy to see the EM version of this table too.
I mean we have in VPX a table that was released in only 17 units in real life.
I understand is hard to make everybody happy..... 

 

 

 

This SS version is beautiful. Thanks to all that put in the effort to get this one to VPX.

 

 

And I am actually looking at this currently to see what it would take to get it re-done using my EM code base...

 

And don't expect anything quickly - converting the SS code and all the extras on this table to my codebase is not an easy task....

Edited by loserman76, 17 October 2021 - 03:02 PM.

[Itchigo]

I wasn't complaining, I was only asking. While I have seen, and even played one of the 17 at Worldwide Distributors in Chicago (I never knew there were only 17 made), I played the EM much more, and just got used to those sounds. That's the thing, VP spoils you. If you haven't played a particular table you years (not this one), you hear it in VP, and associate those sounds with that table- even if it's wrong. If I had more time I'd port it myself, but I work way too many hours. It's not too hard though to convert the switch calls to chimes and addscore calls (there is more to it than that, but it's not too hard it's just time consuming). Still, I'm no LM. There are very few at his level.

[TT11]

What about an EM db2s backglass with reels?  Would that be able to function with this SS coded table?  Is the EM table layout a lot different to the SS one?  I just noticed that the FP version I had on my cab for years had EM reels scoring....  No big deal really - we are playing rare, classic!

[loserman76]

No, the SS & EM versions are essentially the same with the difference being all the scoring is either handled by solid state electronics vs. the score motor and relays.  This was part of Bally's testing of moving away from EMs and going "modern" with SS.  The big advantage of the SS is scores don't get "lost" while other scores are being added (you see this happen a lot on EM Gottlieb's - Pro Football's outlanes are notorious for not scoring if the score motor is already running from a previous hit object). 

 

In theory, you could make a B2S with EMReels instead, but that's a bit of work handling that.  Be patient - an EM version will show up. 

[goldchicco]

I'm pretty sure if the EM version was released first we were reading comments like:" There is an SS version of this pinball machine and they made only 17 units. WILL BE GREAT TO HAVE THIS RARITY IN VPX".

I'm so done

[loserman76]

I'm pretty sure if the EM version was released first we were reading comments like:" There is an SS version of this pinball machine and they made only 17 units. WILL BE GREAT TO HAVE THIS RARITY IN VPX".

I'm so done

 

 

Exactly. There are those of us who do this because of our love of pinball, but there will always be those folks that "want them all". Sadly, that's not going to happen because so many really cool EM tables lack anything close to useable resources. And the folks that like to do redraws from bad source images are far fewer now...

 

 

Anyways, thank you Goldchicco and team for all you've done. I appreciate all the work put into these tables.

[tgx]

 

I'm pretty sure if the EM version was released first we were reading comments like:" There is an SS version of this pinball machine and they made only 17 units. WILL BE GREAT TO HAVE THIS RARITY IN VPX".

I'm so done

 

 

Exactly. There are those of us who do this because of our love of pinball, but there will always be those folks that "want them all". Sadly, that's not going to happen because so many really cool EM tables lack anything close to useable resources. And the folks that like to do redraws from bad source images are far fewer now...

 

 

Anyways, thank you Goldchicco and team for all you've done. I appreciate all the work put into these tables.

 

When I did my FP of Bon Voyage there were no table images available. I took a screenshot of a pinball machine and redrew one from there. Took about 3 months. Same for my Dolphin backglass (2player) but I at least had a better starting point for that one. Terribly time consuming.

To everyone dedicated to capturing and developing old EM's or even porting old VP8/9's I applaud you.