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[tomlousberg]

Thanks for your reply, delay is indeed only between doflinx and fx3 when selecting table from the fx3 grid. 

Once the b2s is loaded ,it runs fine.

Delay in the past was about 2 seconds, i could live with that...but 15 seconds is way too much , even worse that i dont know what triggered that change..

 

Within windows, are you running as USER or Administrator?

 

DDH69 is quite busy the past weeks with his updates, so i did not wanted to bother him with extra troubles/headaches..

Edited by tomlousberg, 30 March 2022 - 05:15 AM.

[Mike DA Spike]

Thanks for your reaction!

I think doflinx runs the b2s server with the .directb2s from ddh69 for FX3.

Plugins are active.

 

It works when im playing tables, triggers changing leds in BB.

Only during table seection there is a 15 second delay before the backglass comes up..

 

Have you installed VPX/B2S as Administrator or normal user??

HEy Tom,

I did a test this morning

The delay is caused by Doflinx, but not sure if DDH69 can fasten this (but you can always ask).
Here's my Doflinx log when I launch Doom from my frontend

As you see at 7:05:20 it discovers that Fx3 is loaded
9 seconds later, my table is loaded and 6 seconds after that it just shows that my Directb2s is loaded.
technically, that's 6 seconds from the moment my table is loaded, so not to bad 
In total it takes 15 seconds, from the moment I select the table in my front-end until the table is fully loaded with backglass.
Be aware that FX3 doesn't support Directb2s by default and that doflinx with Directb2s support is just an extra we get from a good hobby 

 

I'm running all on my cab as user (lowest privileges)

Edited by Mike DA Spike, 30 March 2022 - 05:17 AM.

[tomlousberg]

Yes im aware of that, ofcourse

 

I have build 2 cabinets, one is at a friends home, same setup, same hardware, but delay 1 or 2 seconds between selecting in grid.

im gonna triplecheck some settings today at his place, and verify it with my settings.

 

Can you tell me if you run windows as normal user, or Administrator?

 

Thanks for helping me!

[Mike DA Spike]

I run all as user not admin (see in my post above  )
When I reinstalled my cab last year, I didn't run anything as Admin anymore, as for the most, it doesn't make any sense.
I should say, check your log file for what is causing the delay

[tomlousberg]

I'm running all on my cab as user (lowest privileges)

 

Sorry, didnt see that..

 

 

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I'm running all on my cab as user (lowest privileges)

trying to post my doflog..

[Mike DA Spike]

I'm running all on my cab as user (lowest privileges)

 

Sorry, didnt see that..

 

 

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I'm running all on my cab as user (lowest privileges)

trying to post my doflog..

Maybe use another thread as this is for B2s Backglass server (and not or Doflinx)
or PM me

[tomlousberg]

ok, trying to do a clean install as user, i will report back later this day after checking settings.

 

Thank you!!

[tomlousberg]

Checked settings machine2, no difference.

Did a clean install of W10, created normal user, installed everything in normal mode except VPX AllInOne installer. had to do that as admin because of permissions says program.

 

FX3 running flawless with LedWiz, DMDExt, Doflinx and B2S server. Delay only 1 second  

 

But then I created the global config file from doflinxtool, where i pointed to my cabinet.xml (because of teensy driving adressable ledstrips)

Then delay is back.

 

Will test some things today, will post results

 

Informed DDH69 about the problem, hopefully there is a solution.

Edited by tomlousberg, 30 March 2022 - 11:45 AM.

[tomlousberg]

So.... will install frontend today. (on DDH69s advice)

 

What would you advice, pbx, pby or popper?

 

Thanks again for your help!!

[jarr3]

Use Popper, if your system isn't the biggest you can try the other two.

 

Edited by jarr3, 31 March 2022 - 07:38 AM.

[wiesshund]

So.... will install frontend today. (on DDH69s advice)

 

What would you advice, pbx, pby or popper?

 

Thanks again for your help!!

 

I prefer PinballX, cause i am too lazy to spend more than 5 minutes configuring a front end

[tomlousberg]

@wiesshund

If i could double like your post, i would...  Installed PBX indeed. Now finetuning, but looks promising

Edited by tomlousberg, 31 March 2022 - 12:59 PM.

[tomlousberg]

PinballX did the trick.. thanks everyone for help and advice!!

Edited by tomlousberg, 31 March 2022 - 06:37 PM.

[allheart]

Hello everyone,  I'm having an issue on my 2 screen cabinet.  I'm trying JP's Cyclone with a backglass that does both 2 and 3 screen (not sure where it came from).  IF I use Server 1.3.0.6, it seems to  work fine.  The B2s comes up and the FormDMD that actually has the scoring, shows up over the B2S (Form2Front is set to 1).  

 

If I upgrade to 1.3.1.0, then the FormDMD is created, but not on top of the B2S.  I can Alt+Tab to get it there, but this is different than before.  I see in the source changes that the FormDMD TopMost setting was change.  I'm wondering whether this is what is causing my issue.

 

My question is, while I've tried a bunch of different settings, I can't seem to the get FormDMD on top, Is there something in the design of the Backglass itself that I could try changing.  I have not been in to the B2S designer to know, but am willing if there might be something in there.

 

Thank you.

[jarr3]

I'm having an issue on my 2 screen cabinet.  I'm trying JP's Cyclone with a backglass that does both 2 and 3 screen (not sure where it came from).  IF I use Server 1.3.0.6, it seems to  work fine.  The B2s comes up and the FormDMD that actually has the scoring, shows up over the B2S (Form2Front is set to 1).  

 

If I upgrade to 1.3.1.0, then the FormDMD is created, but not on top of the B2S.  I can Alt+Tab to get it there, but this is different than before.  I see in the source changes that the FormDMD TopMost setting was change.  I'm wondering whether this is what is causing my issue.

 

My question is, while I've tried a bunch of different settings, I can't seem to the get FormDMD on top, Is there something in the design of the Backglass itself that I could try changing.  I have not been in to the B2S designer to know, but am willing if there might be something in there.

 

Hi,

I did some changes to B2S Server, to make the windows seamlessly go on top or in the background. Can you please post a picture so that I better understand what is happening. And please also send me links to your table and backglass.

Maybe we need to introduce more settings for each form?

 

in the meantime you can switch back to the old version.

 

*UPDATE* I tried the same table JP's Cyclone with a 2 screen Backglass from Wildman.

It worked well here:

 Cyclone.png   1.54MB   5 downloads

 

/Jarr3

Edited by jarr3, 03 April 2022 - 02:25 PM.

[jarr3]

I have worked with @allheart to solve the problem he had found with mixed 2 and 3 screen back glasses, running on a 2 screen setup. In this setup the DMD form comes behind the grill.

 

The issue should now be solved and I will work with Toxie to update the back glass server.

 

 

[Johngreve]

 

I'm having an issue on my 2 screen cabinet.  I'm trying JP's Cyclone with a backglass that does both 2 and 3 screen (not sure where it came from).  IF I use Server 1.3.0.6, it seems to  work fine.  The B2s comes up and the FormDMD that actually has the scoring, shows up over the B2S (Form2Front is set to 1).  

 

If I upgrade to 1.3.1.0, then the FormDMD is created, but not on top of the B2S.  I can Alt+Tab to get it there, but this is different than before.  I see in the source changes that the FormDMD TopMost setting was change.  I'm wondering whether this is what is causing my issue.

 

My question is, while I've tried a bunch of different settings, I can't seem to the get FormDMD on top, Is there something in the design of the Backglass itself that I could try changing.  I have not been in to the B2S designer to know, but am willing if there might be something in there.

 

Hi,

I did some changes to B2S Server, to make the windows seamlessly go on top or in the background. Can you please post a picture so that I better understand what is happening. And please also send me links to your table and backglass.

Maybe we need to introduce more settings for each form?

 

in the meantime you can switch back to the old version.

 

*UPDATE* I tried the same table JP's Cyclone with a 2 screen Backglass from Wildman.

It worked well here:

Cyclone.png

 

/Jarr3

 

Hi,I think I’ve run into something similar here..though not 100% sure. I updated my b2s server from 1.3.0.4 to 1.3.1 today to get some features working correctly on the new backglass for the Space Oddity table. Once I finished updating I noticed some of my other alpha numeric tables were no longer displaying the scores in the display boxes. Specifically, The Machine Bride of Pinbot,Funhouse,Space Station and Jokerz. There may be more but I haven’t checked every table…most seem to be ok. I have no idea which backglasses they were but went and downloaded Wildmans 2screen backglasses for the following tables. Space Station,Funhouse and The Machine Bride of Pinbot…those backglasses now showed the scores lit up properly. I’m still having a problem getting the backglass to display the scores on the new VPW Jokers table….I tried downloading both backglasses from VPU for that table and still no luck. Can anyone point me in the right direction here. All alpha numeric tables worked just fine on 1.3.0.4 server. Thank you

Edited by Johngreve, 21 May 2022 - 05:25 PM.

[sundogak]

 

 

I'm having an issue on my 2 screen cabinet.  I'm trying JP's Cyclone with a backglass that does both 2 and 3 screen (not sure where it came from).  IF I use Server 1.3.0.6, it seems to  work fine.  The B2s comes up and the FormDMD that actually has the scoring, shows up over the B2S (Form2Front is set to 1).  

 

If I upgrade to 1.3.1.0, then the FormDMD is created, but not on top of the B2S.  I can Alt+Tab to get it there, but this is different than before.  I see in the source changes that the FormDMD TopMost setting was change.  I'm wondering whether this is what is causing my issue.

 

My question is, while I've tried a bunch of different settings, I can't seem to the get FormDMD on top, Is there something in the design of the Backglass itself that I could try changing.  I have not been in to the B2S designer to know, but am willing if there might be something in there.

 

Hi,

I did some changes to B2S Server, to make the windows seamlessly go on top or in the background. Can you please post a picture so that I better understand what is happening. And please also send me links to your table and backglass.

Maybe we need to introduce more settings for each form?

 

in the meantime you can switch back to the old version.

 

*UPDATE* I tried the same table JP's Cyclone with a 2 screen Backglass from Wildman.

It worked well here:

Cyclone.png

 

/Jarr3

 

Hi,I think I’ve run into something similar here..though not 100% sure. I updated my b2s server from 1.3.0.4 to 1.3.1 today to get some features working correctly on the new backglass for the Space Oddity table. Once I finished updating I noticed some of my other alpha numeric tables were no longer displaying the scores in the display boxes. Specifically, The Machine Bride of Pinbot,Funhouse,Space Station and Jokerz. There may be more but I haven’t checked every table…most seem to be ok. I have no idea which backglasses they were but went and downloaded Wildmans 2screen backglasses for the following tables. Space Station,Funhouse and The Machine Bride of Pinbot…those backglasses now showed the scores lit up properly. I’m still having a problem getting the backglass to display the scores on the new VPW Jokers table….I tried downloading both backglasses from VPU for that table and still no luck. Can anyone point me in the right direction here. All alpha numeric tables worked just fine on 1.3.0.4 server. Thank you

 

At least for the most recent Jokerz! by Wildman that B2S doesn't have a DMD display embedded into the BG whereas the prior version did. So that you are not seeing it isn't due to the B2S server (I am running 1.3.1.1 as well plus a custom version).  The comment thread on that BG had similar comments. You can use an external DMD (assuming you have it setup) to overlay on the B2S for same effect by toggling DMD dropdown to visible. 

 

Edit: also a newer version was uploaded by another user (in same thread) and DMD LEDs will show on screen three but doesn't on 2 screen setup. 

Edited by sundogak, 21 May 2022 - 06:53 PM.

[Mike DA Spike]

I'm having an issue on my 2 screen cabinet.  I'm trying JP's Cyclone with a backglass that does both 2 and 3 screen (not sure where it came from).  IF I use Server 1.3.0.6, it seems to  work fine.  The B2s comes up and the FormDMD that actually has the scoring, shows up over the B2S (Form2Front is set to 1).  
 
If I upgrade to 1.3.1.0, then the FormDMD is created, but not on top of the B2S.  I can Alt+Tab to get it there, but this is different than before.  I see in the source changes that the FormDMD TopMost setting was change.  I'm wondering whether this is what is causing my issue.
 
My question is, while I've tried a bunch of different settings, I can't seem to the get FormDMD on top, Is there something in the design of the Backglass itself that I could try changing.  I have not been in to the B2S designer to know, but am willing if there might be something in there.

 
Hi,
I did some changes to B2S Server, to make the windows seamlessly go on top or in the background. Can you please post a picture so that I better understand what is happening. And please also send me links to your table and backglass.
Maybe we need to introduce more settings for each form?
 
in the meantime you can switch back to the old version.
 
*UPDATE* I tried the same table JP's Cyclone with a 2 screen Backglass from Wildman.

It worked well here:
Cyclone.png
 
/Jarr3

Hi,I think Ive run into something similar here..though not 100% sure. I updated my b2s server from 1.3.0.4 to 1.3.1 today to get some features working correctly on the new backglass for the Space Oddity table. Once I finished updating I noticed some of my other alpha numeric tables were no longer displaying the scores in the display boxes. Specifically, The Machine Bride of Pinbot,Funhouse,Space Station and Jokerz. There may be more but I havent checked every tablemost seem to be ok. I have no idea which backglasses they were but went and downloaded Wildmans 2screen backglasses for the following tables. Space Station,Funhouse and The Machine Bride of Pinbotthose backglasses now showed the scores lit up properly. Im still having a problem getting the backglass to display the scores on the new VPW Jokers table.I tried downloading both backglasses from VPU for that table and still no luck. Can anyone point me in the right direction here. All alpha numeric tables worked just fine on 1.3.0.4 server. Thank you

I thought that the Jokerz! Table from VPW team disables the vpinmame dmd in the script by default

Edited by Mike DA Spike, 22 May 2022 - 07:04 AM.

[wiesshund]

 

Hi,I think Ive run into something similar here..though not 100% sure. I updated my b2s server from 1.3.0.4 to 1.3.1 today to get some features working correctly on the new backglass for the Space Oddity table. Once I finished updating I noticed some of my other alpha numeric tables were no longer displaying the scores in the display boxes. Specifically, The Machine Bride of Pinbot,Funhouse,Space Station and Jokerz. There may be more but I havent checked every tablemost seem to be ok. I have no idea which backglasses they were but went and downloaded Wildmans 2screen backglasses for the following tables. Space Station,Funhouse and The Machine Bride of Pinbotthose backglasses now showed the scores lit up properly. Im still having a problem getting the backglass to display the scores on the new VPW Jokers table.I tried downloading both backglasses from VPU for that table and still no luck. Can anyone point me in the right direction here. All alpha numeric tables worked just fine on 1.3.0.4 server. Thank you

I thought that the Jokerz! Table from VPW team disables the vpinmame dmd in the script by default

 

 

EDIT: PLEASE READ NEXT THREAD PAGE, THIS SEEMS FIXED IN 1.3.1.1 BETA

 

 

Nope, there is something wrong, and he is not talking about a VPM DMD
I just tested funhouse and space station.
nothing on the backglass score wise

 

Backglass lights work fine

No LED's showing at all, nothing lights up

 

Alien poker worked ok

 

tested reverting vpinmame to 3.4
no change

Tested vpx 10.7.0 instead of 10.7.1
No change

Tested reverting to B2S Server 1.3.0.6 from 1.3.1.0
Works again

 

Yay, except
ROM aliasing in 10.7.1 requires B2S Server 1.3.1.0 or the NVOFFSET function no longer works

So no Yay
 

B2S 1.3.1 failed to display LEDs for

funhouse and space station WILLIAMS
Bugs Bunny Birthday Ball BALLY

Tom and Jerry GOTTLIEB

 

B2S 1.3.1 worked for

Alien Poker WILLIAMS

Tom and Jerry  GOTTLIEB (AKA beach bums)

Heavy Metal ROWAMET

Conan ROWAMET

Alien Warrior LTD

 

Ok so does not seem to be an issue with certain kinds of ROMs

 

So i poke around a bit more, and what do i find?

The backglasses that are not working at 2screen/3screen backglasses

They have a defined DMD component
And technically they are working BUT you'd have to literally alt tab to yank the DMD from behind the backglass
B2S is "SUpposed" to, in the lack of presence of a DMD display, place the DMD in the defined DMD area on TOP of the backglass display itself

B2S server 1.3.1 is failing to bring the DMD window to the top
And i have tried recreating the backglasses, i have tried making brand new generic backglasses just to have the DMD part, where the LED's are located etc
No soup

 

DMD window, in the absence of a defined DMD screen is going under the backglass display in 1.3.1.0, but not in 1.3.0.4 or 1.3.0.6
The only way i could force it on top sort of was to define the DMD size (which is not identical on all backglasses)
and sort of Y offset it to center, but the problem is, the grill vanishes when you define the DMD screen, so now i got a DMD on top, except its smack on top of the backglass image and not where it belongs
One could fudge the backglass dimensions and make believe its a 3 screen setup by subtracting the DMD height from the backglass height, so if my DMD was 1024x256 and my backclass screen was 1600x900, subbtract 256 from 900 and set backglass resolution to the answer  1600 x (900-256)
and then Y offset the DMD to be centered (in this case y offset is 800-512, i think)

So, Toxie
Your mission, should you choose to accept it

Is find where in the code it is failing to force the B2S DMD display on top of the B2S backglass, into the predefined DMD position
and make a small correction to fix that, and release as 1.3.1.1

 

This post will self destruct in 45 seconds.

 

 

So in closing, this issue wont happen for anyone with a 3 screen setup, where they have an LCD for the DMD display (B2S wont use a dot matrix display)
and this issue will not happen if the directb2s file is simply a 2 screen only backglass
Only if it is a 2 screen / 3 screen, which the whole point of those is to not have to create 2 versions of every backglass.
So only people on 2 screen cabs, or people running a single screen with vpx in a window and b2s running beside the vpx window, or some similar setup are going to run into this issue.

 

If one wanted to dispense with the issue, and also one knew that they were never ever going to have a 3 screen setup, one could fix this by importing the directb2s file into b2s designer

click window, pick DMD image
make sure to click to show LED frames
make note of the the LEDs in the DMD

you many, in what physical order are then
how many digits, what style, what size etc

Then delete those LEDs
Then click window and go back to the backglass

now recreate the LEDs on the blackglass itself and place into the proper positions on the backglass
Lastly click window, then resources, then pic the DMD image, and delete it

now click backglass and create the backglass, then you can test it

 

but keep in mind, it is now forever a 2 screen backglass only

 

That or you can just keep alt tabbing the DMD back on top til toxie or someone can fix it
OR

You can make a pseudo make believe 3 screen setup as i noted above

OR
If you are not using any ROM aliases  AND  not using vpx 1.7.1, you can just revert to b2s server 1.3.0.6

(if using 1.7.1 and using rom aliasing, then your stuck with b2s server 1.3.1.0 and have to decide on a work around for now)

Edited by wiesshund, 22 May 2022 - 10:35 AM.