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[Crusty]

Ok, one lcd monitor connected via DVI. One TFT via VGA. First i could only see the table and a black area on the screen where i guess the DMD (or whatever it is called) is supposed to be. Then i messed around with the settings in the nvidia control center and now i either get the dmd one the second screen, or just black screen on the first.. (when switching monitor in pinmame setup.

Getting really tired of this now.. what is causing this?

read somewhere that some guy had the same problem, but had no sullotion. it only worked when playing future pinball.

And if i now get it to work.. how do i also get that neat artwork to also display on the second display? backglass maybe? i don't know what it's called.

[studmuff]

Ok, one lcd monitor connected via DVI. One TFT via VGA. First i could only see the table and a black area on the screen where i guess the DMD (or whatever it is called) is supposed to be. Then i messed around with the settings in the nvidia control center and now i either get the dmd one the second screen, or just black screen on the first.. (when switching monitor in pinmame setup.

Getting really tired of this now.. what is causing this?

read somewhere that some guy had the same problem, but had no sullotion. it only worked when playing future pinball.

And if i now get it to work.. how do i also get that neat artwork to also display on the second display? backglass maybe? i don't know what it's called.

HI,

First off if you are running VP9 and a FS table you should see the table on one screen and the DMD on that screen to start. You can then click on the dmd screen and move it to the second screen. You will NOT see a backglass on the second screen unless you are using the hyperpin frontend or uvpserver.exe.
Future pinball already has the backglasses in the tables already so that maybe your problem.



If not can you give me a little more info and Can you post a screenshot so I can see what is going on your screens?

1. Do you have the monitors setup in Nvidia for dualview?
2. Do you have your main monitor setup for windows?
3. What are the resolutions of your two monitors?
4. Are you running VP8 or VP9?
5. What table are you trying to run? Is it a FS or 16-9 table?
6. Is VP9 maximized taking up the entire window when running VP9?

Tom.

[Crusty]

1. the monitors are setup for dualview, the bigger screen on dvi is number 1. the tft is number 2.
2. uhm, not sure what you are meaning here.. but the screen 1 is set to be "main screen".
3. 1280x768 and 1024x768 i think
4. VP 9.08 and pinmame 2.2
5. Im running terminator 2 which is a spanned table..
6. Those times when i actually get the table to show it fills the entire screen.

Screenshots: This one is when i have screen 2 as DMD

http://img375.images...76/72897202.png

and vice versa:

http://img580.images...65/64996147.png

Also must say that i am not running future pinball, i just read some guy had the same problem:

http://www.pinballni...read.php?t=6033

Hyperpin is installed, but i have just tested it, and i dont use it. So how do i get backglasses to work in visual pinball?

[studmuff]

Hyperpin is installed, but i have just tested it, and i dont use it. So how do i get backglasses to work in visual pinball?

Hi again Crusty,

If your running full screen tables in VP, they will not show a backglass unless you have UVPservere.exe setup or use hyperpin. Before we even worry about the backglass, lets try to figure out why you can't see the table on your dualview setup. VP will not pull up a backglass alone with full screen tables.

If you are trying to run a spanned table, you need to setup your two monitors for spanning in the Nvidia control panel and not dual view.

Can you provide me a link to the table you are running? To my knowledge there is no version of Terminator 2 that is [16:9] spanned. There is a full screen table. Spanned tables and FS tables are two different beasts that need to be setup differently. So I just need to know as well, do you want to run FS or 16:9 tables with your set up? Also are both of your monitors vertical or is your playfield monitor vertical and your backglass monitor horizontal?

Also what resolution do you have running in VP? To find out, open up your visualpinball.exe and click on preferences and then video options. You should see a list of resolutions. Click on the resolution you are using for your playfield and then click ok.

Also I noticed you don't have any windows start button showing. What version of windows are you running? You said screen one is your main screen. Is your main screen the backglass screen or the playfield screen?

If you are running vista or later, have you set vp.exe to run as administrator?

I'm just trying to narrow out any possible things casuing the problem.

Edited by studmuff, 04 August 2010 - 03:16 PM.

[Crusty]

will deal with this problem in the future since the pc that was going to run the simulator has been put to other use. i will continue the test runs at a another time.

[nebrunner]

Hyperpin is installed, but i have just tested it, and i dont use it. So how do i get backglasses to work in visual pinball?

Hi again Crusty,

If your running full screen tables in VP, they will not show a backglass unless you have UVPservere.exe setup or use hyperpin. Before we even worry about the backglass, lets try to figure out why you can't see the table on your dualview setup. VP will not pull up a backglass alone with full screen tables.

If you are trying to run a spanned table, you need to setup your two monitors for spanning in the Nvidia control panel and not dual view.

Can you provide me a link to the table you are running? To my knowledge there is no version of Terminator 2 that is [16:9] spanned. There is a full screen table. Spanned tables and FS tables are two different beasts that need to be setup differently. So I just need to know as well, do you want to run FS or 16:9 tables with your set up? Also are both of your monitors vertical or is your playfield monitor vertical and your backglass monitor horizontal?

Also what resolution do you have running in VP? To find out, open up your visualpinball.exe and click on preferences and then video options. You should see a list of resolutions. Click on the resolution you are using for your playfield and then click ok.

Also I noticed you don't have any windows start button showing. What version of windows are you running? You said screen one is your main screen. Is your main screen the backglass screen or the playfield screen?

If you are running vista or later, have you set vp.exe to run as administrator?

I'm just trying to narrow out any possible things casuing the problem.

Hi, I'm trying to set up and finding similar issues, rather than start a new thread can I ask you to elaborate on some of your above areas? I have dual monitors, I am not sure what spanned vs. dual view means, but my main monitor is a 24" dell at 1920X1200 and my second monitor is a little 15" HP at 1024X768, right now both of them show the same windows background, I can grab windows and drag them across onto my other screen if I need to.

What my ultimate goal is going to be will be to build a mini pin cab with a vertical playfield, a small monitor for the dmd * (red led score display) and a monitor up top for the art. Right now I am just trying to get this stuff running so I get a feel for it all.

I went through the whole install, excellent write up by whoever did that, got it all up and running, I did download and install hyperpin but I haven't messed with it yet. Just fired it up and it did load, but displayed no tables, I probably dont have them in the right folder yet and all that.

I can run vpinball9 and it is working, I only got a few tables to try out for starters, I got Big Guns, Star Trek TNG, 8 Ball Deluxe and Indiana Jones. So far have only tried big guns, it loads up, it puts all 3 screens on my main monitor, the table squashed at the top, and the art and score below at the bottom. I don't see any way to click and drag them over to my second monitor so it must be a setting in a config file or something. That is what I would like to get help with.

I can play the big guns, even with it squashed at the top, sounds and all that work, so I think I'm close to making this happen.


* - when I see DMD I think Digital Micromirror Device

[Rawd]

Welcome Nebrunner...

It sounds like you might be running a spanned 16:9 table. Try a FS (fullscreen) table. When you run it through VP, you will not see a backglass, but if you run it through hyperpin, and you have the backglass image in the proper directory, and your Hyperpin XML file edited accordingly, you will see a static backglass image on your second monitor. If you have the cabinet version of pinmame.dll, and the proper drivers for your video card, then the DMD should stay where you leave it. Once you have that setup, you can try giving UVP's a go. Have fun.

[nebrunner]

Welcome Nebrunner...

It sounds like you might be running a spanned 16:9 table. Try a FS (fullscreen) table. When you run it through VP, you will not see a backglass, but if you run it through hyperpin, and you have the backglass image in the proper directory, and your Hyperpin XML file edited accordingly, you will see a static backglass image on your second monitor. If you have the cabinet version of pinmame.dll, and the proper drivers for your video card, then the DMD should stay where you leave it. Once you have that setup, you can try giving UVP's a go. Have fun.

Thanks, I am going to try that out, I also saw a tutorial for hyperpin in another thread, I will give that a try too. Can you point me in the direction of a glossary for some of this stuff? I want to read what the difference between a 16:9 table and a FS table is, how to tell the difference, and also what UVP stands for.

[Rawd]

Welcome Nebrunner...

It sounds like you might be running a spanned 16:9 table. Try a FS (fullscreen) table. When you run it through VP, you will not see a backglass, but if you run it through hyperpin, and you have the backglass image in the proper directory, and your Hyperpin XML file edited accordingly, you will see a static backglass image on your second monitor. If you have the cabinet version of pinmame.dll, and the proper drivers for your video card, then the DMD should stay where you leave it. Once you have that setup, you can try giving UVP's a go. Have fun.

Thanks, I am going to try that out, I also saw a tutorial for hyperpin in another thread, I will give that a try too. Can you point me in the direction of a glossary for some of this stuff? I want to read what the difference between a 16:9 table and a FS table is, how to tell the difference, and also what UVP stands for.

Here.. I just copied and pasted my response from another recent thread..

- Spanned tables are not the same as FS. Spanned tables have working backglasses and they came before HyperPin and UVP. They only work on certain setups with 2 monitors spanned. Spanned tables were usually refered to as 16:9 tables.
- FS tables run through VP9 and are the most popular and updated tables for cabinet users. They do not display a backglass.
- You can run a static backglass display with FS tables by running the HyperPin frontend. Then drag and drop the DMD on monitor 2 for a working DMD on the backglass in your static image
- You can run UVP with the Hyperpin frontend, and it adds animated lighting effects to the backglass and will segregate the score displays for older non-DMD tables. It does not support EM reels for the backglass.
- UVP can be run without HyperPin, directly from VP9, but you need the Hyperpin file structure for it to work.
- Active backglass came before UVP, and is no longer used by the masses. FD still has them available for those who want to use them, but this confuses some.

[nebrunner]

thanks! big help

tell me if this sounds right, or if I'm getting in the ballpark at least -

eventual goal is a pin cab with 3 monitors, so I think I need vp9, vpinmame, I might as well get hyperpin up and running and get used to using that exclusively, then stick to the FS tables (I think) and forget the spanned tables. drag the dmd to my second monitor, stick the backglass artwork file in the right folder in hyperpin and it will put that up on the 3rd monitor.

this is all disregarding future pinball, from what I have gathered that is a totally different program, people have some killer homemade tables on it and in the future I can delve into that but not going to worry about it until I have all this stuff up and running.

If that does sound right, is there an easy way to tell which are spanned and which are FS tables so I can pass on all the spanned stuff?

[Rawd]

thanks! big help

tell me if this sounds right, or if I'm getting in the ballpark at least -

eventual goal is a pin cab with 3 monitors, so I think I need vp9, vpinmame, I might as well get hyperpin up and running and get used to using that exclusively, then stick to the FS tables (I think) and forget the spanned tables. drag the dmd to my second monitor, stick the backglass artwork file in the right folder in hyperpin and it will put that up on the 3rd monitor.

this is all disregarding future pinball, from what I have gathered that is a totally different program, people have some killer homemade tables on it and in the future I can delve into that but not going to worry about it until I have all this stuff up and running.

If that does sound right, is there an easy way to tell which are spanned and which are FS tables so I can pass on all the spanned stuff?

Sounds good. Once you have all that setup, you can look into UVP as well.

If you go to the top of the forum page, and click on 'cabinet tables', there are 2 menus.. Spanned on the left, and FS on the right.

[nebrunner]

Thanks for all the help Rawd, I was able to download some FS tables last night and they worked! The DMD is a little bit wonky, I would resize it and drag it onto my second monitor ok, but when I closed down and restarted vp, the DMD was always drifting some to the left. Not a big deal right now but on a cabinet that would suck, I'm sure I can get that working right before I build the cab though.

I did download the UMD (whats that stand for?) and put them in the folder in hyperpin, have not yet gone through the hyperpin tutorial to try and get that working, that will be the next step.

I ordered a GEforce 465 from newegg today, I will add that in to the system and hook up another monitor and try to get the playfield, dmd and artwork all going at the same time.