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[SHIFTHOLDER68321]

I want to make my own ramps, toys, usw...
I've a 3D moddelling software (3Ds Max)
When I've a model, how do I get it in FP?
I've take a look on the libarys ... I don't know how to create there new models

Can anyone tell me how to make my own?

And how can I create Textures for It? (Ok, I know how to creat textures, but how do I get them into FP?)

[Rawd]

I want to make my own ramps, toys, usw...
I've a 3D moddelling software (3Ds Max)
When I've a model, how do I get it in FP?
I've take a look on the libarys ... I don't know how to create there new models

Can anyone tell me how to make my own?

And how can I create Textures for It? (Ok, I know how to creat textures, but how do I get them into FP?)

Steve Paradis would be the man to ask these questions. He is the only one with the ability to import models into the software, but he will do it for you (at least, I think he still is?)

[Gravy]

I think he stopped as of the end of last year due to the issues with Black, but I could be wrong (hopefully I am).

[Steve Paradis]

I think he stopped as of the end of last year due to the issues with Black, but I could be wrong (hopefully I am).

you are wrong Gravy, I still do it. Anything for the community.

why would I moraly care about the feeling of someone who doesnt even care about this community himself.

Its like Windows staff saying "we don't care about xp/vista/7 anymore, and oh btw..it expire soon so you better think about switching to Mac"
It would be just plain stupid.

Any 3D models are welcome. but since they are just "goodies" or "props"...and the fact that I did a lot of model for project that never really 'lift off'... I want to be sure the author of the table commit himself to his piece of work first. complete your table up to 80% (at least until you know the layout won't change). then send me your info (table, blueprint, 3D model) and Ill make them fit.


Steve

[SHIFTHOLDER68321]

Yes, but I want to create my own.
I've looked around a bit. I just need anything which compiles my 3d file (whatever) into a fpm file.
How do you do it Steve? (I hope not with an hex editor)
OR?

[TheNalex]

Yes, but I want to create my own.
I've looked around a bit. I just need anything which compiles my 3d file (whatever) into a fpm file.
How do you do it Steve? (I hope not with an hex editor)
OR?

Hello, you need a special editor to do this. This editor is not publicly available. Only Steve got it before Black decided to remove the forums of Future Pinball.
So now you can re-read steve comment...

By the way, steve won't distribute it (as far as I know, and I know quite well )

Edited by TheNalex, 06 March 2010 - 10:41 AM.

[SHIFTHOLDER68321]

???
Why havn't black it made pupic?

[TheNalex]

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Why havn't black it made pupic?

Because ... ?

[neoblood]

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Why havn't black it made pupic?

I agree it's ridiculous to have one or two guys with the correct software to process models and expect people to build a table without it and then screw around sending files back and forth to get something done. Kind of killed the whole FP thing for me actually. I think if whoever is in charge of it wants it to be free and take on a life of it's own like VP they should release the correct software to let that happen. If they want only a couple guys creating new and unique tables then they should just say so and let it be known. Sort of an E-penis problem thing maybe I don't know, BOW TO THE E-PENIS LORDS lol

[Steve Paradis]

Asking anymore question who would force to restart that discussion all over again is not a good thing IMHO.
Please make your object in 3D and I will insert them for you in FP...Note that your object should be lowPoly (bellow 1500 polygon) and singled textured.


until your table is ready for distribution, you can just put boxes as placeholders where th toys go.


Steve

Edited by Steve Paradis, 06 March 2010 - 07:09 PM.

[Rawd]

Asking anymore question who would force to restart that discussion all over again is not a good thing IMHO.
Please make your object in 3D and I will insert them for you in FP...Note that your object should be lowPoly (bellow 1500 polygon) and singled textured.


until your table is ready for distribution, you can just put boxes as placeholders where th toys go.


Steve

It is really nice of you to continue importing models for people.

That said... What purpose does it serve, for you to be the one and only person able to do this? (Don't get me wrong, I am not asking for anything)

I had figured that you had lost any respect for your agreement with Chris, when you decided to continue making models.

It just seems a bit counter-productive.

Sort of an E-penis problem thing maybe I don't know, BOW TO THE E-PENIS LORDS lol

It is not the size of your E-penis, but how you use it.

[Steve Paradis]

Ok if it was not clear enough before.

Me, only keep using the FP special edition to import 3D model for everyone, even if expired : Program is there. only have to set back the time to make it work. Nothing illegal is done. Im not cracking anything, I'm just using a software with a flaws. the maker can bites his fingers about it but cannot do much more.

Me freely distributing the same expired sofware to the mass like a headless chicken so everyone can go cuckoo with it : for the maker, Priceless..I will have a cease and desist in 48 hours. If no one can understand what is an agreement , it is not my problem. I have my share of problem in life and doesnt wish to had more on my plate. FP is free and public but the version of FP I have, have features you could found on the commercial licence of FP as well...how clear can I get about that?

Just the fact that I am WILLING to keep doing this extra load of work for the community should be enough for anyone to keep the spirit. LIO also had the same Edition, is he bothered by anyone about that...not at all. Please keep this civil, getting on my nerve will not bring a 3D model import into FP any faster as I don't have any power over it.

Does VP have a 3D model importer?

Steve

Edited by Steve Paradis, 06 March 2010 - 09:19 PM.

[Rawd]

Ok if it was not clear enough before.

Me, only keep using the FP special edition to import 3D model for everyone, even if expired : Program is there. only have to set back the time to make it work. Nothing illegal is done. Im not cracking anything, I'm just using a software with a flaws. the maker can bites his fingers about it but cannot do much more.

Me freely distributing the same expired sofware to the mass like a headless chicken so everyone can go cuckoo with it : for the maker, Priceless..I will have a cease and desist in 48 hours. If no one can understand what is an agreement , it is not my problem. I have my share of problem in life and doesnt wish to had more on my plate. FP is free and public but the version of FP I have, have features you could found on the commercial licence of FP as well...how clear can I get about that?

Just the fact that I am WILLING to keep doing this extra load of work for the community should be enough for anyone to keep the spirit. LIO also had the same Edition, is he bothered by anyone about that...not at all. Please keep this civil, getting on my nerve will not bring a 3D model import into FP any faster as I don't have any power over it.

Does VP have a 3D model importer?

Steve

Understood. I can see the difference between distributing models and distributing the expired software.

It may have been easier for you to stop making models completely. You are between a rock and a hard place.


Too bad it gets on your nerves. Not all of us can read minds, or read all of the forum posts on the subject.

Does VP have a 3D model importer?

What has VP got to do with this?

I'll stop talking about it, as we have always got along quite well, and it is obviously a touchy subject for you.

[Steve Paradis]

It may have been easier for you to stop making models completely. You are between a rock and a hard place.

I dont care about being asked to translate models that is just the most I can do.
the need for 3d Models is still there and always will be, as long as there are FP users.
I dont' want people lose interest over FP as I am sure a brighter future is coming.

Steve

[rascal]

Does VP have a 3D model importer?

Steve

Yes, its is called the author, and it's a painful process and it's not really 3D, but it looks like it is. See my bowler video.

[Gravy]

I think he stopped as of the end of last year due to the issues with Black, but I could be wrong (hopefully I am).

you are wrong Gravy, I still do it. Anything for the community.

why would I moraly care about the feeling of someone who doesnt even care about this community himself.

Its like Windows staff saying "we don't care about xp/vista/7 anymore, and oh btw..it expire soon so you better think about switching to Mac"
It would be just plain stupid.

Any 3D models are welcome. but since they are just "goodies" or "props"...and the fact that I did a lot of model for project that never really 'lift off'... I want to be sure the author of the table commit himself to his piece of work first. complete your table up to 80% (at least until you know the layout won't change). then send me your info (table, blueprint, 3D model) and Ill make them fit.


Steve

Thats great to hear Steve and Im glad I was wrong this time around. Last I heard from you on the matter late last year I thought you had decided to hang up your spade on the creation of models due to the expiry on the dev edition.

Excellent.

[neoblood]

I understand perfectly what you mean Steve and I have nothing against you in particular at all. (as far as I know you are just a guy with the licensed edition that makes cool tables and not involved with the FP program)

I was displaying my disgust at the FP persons (whomever that is-Black??) who would allow the thing to happen in the first place. It comes off as a person offering a hand to shake and then pulling it away at the last moment.(need beta testers much??) Of course if it were to be commercial software that would be a different matter entirely, no-one should use the software in an illegal manner at all. It's just an observation that FP would be a lot more useful with the correct tools in the correct hands to use it. The community would be larger and things would move more smoothly without people having to trip over themselves. I don't know the story at all about what happened over at the FP forums or who got mad at who so my opinion has nothing to do with that stuff. I started out in this hobby being impressed with FP and the day I found out the software was crippled making it impossible to do anything without relying on someone to help I lost interest quickly. Seemed like a turbulent place to me at the time over there and it still comes off kind of fishy. If the model importing edition is indeed licensed only to you and you are using it to help import models for other people (legally I assume) then that is a nice thing to do I guess.


As far as importing models into VP, of course we can. Check out my mod of the STTNG table and you see 3d models were "imported" into it to make new playfield toys and guns. If you check out the work in progress thread from the VP8 version you will see screens and animations of the actual renders being tested for lighting conditions. While it's not being rendered in a 3d environment(may be a good thing actually) it's still providing the illusion which is all these pinball emulators are anyhow is an illusion of reality. Scapino imports his entire 3d scene into Vp actually making his lighting techniques unsurpassed. Vp has all the tools it needs to create some really unique and wonderful tables. It's just a bummer that FP isn't as useful without a way to get models into it and no vpinmame support. It is what it is. I'll continue to support the now opensource VP

Now let's have a beer and play pinball

[Steve Paradis]

Sorry If I mistaken, I sincerely thought that these toy in VP where image sequences tied up to event and not actual 3D toys format like .3ds or .obj
but my knowledge of VP is very limited, so that where the mistake come from.

Steve

[rascal]

Sorry If I mistaken, I sincerely thought that these toy in VP where image sequences tied up to event and not actual 3D toys format like .3ds or .obj
but my knowledge of VP is very limited, so that where the mistake come from.

Steve

Your right, but with a lot of work 3D render pics can be added in as frames.

[neoblood]

Sorry If I mistaken, I sincerely thought that these toy in VP where image sequences tied up to event and not actual 3D toys format like .3ds or .obj
but my knowledge of VP is very limited, so that where the mistake come from.

Steve

No you aren't mistaken but "limited" I wouldn't call it. Limited by the imagination perhaps...

Here be a video of my STTNG guns I added. These were modeled and rendered in blender3d and arranged in VP as a reel. I am still learning how it all works (damn real life!) but I can see even with my limited experience there is a whole lot of potential here. The only drawback being table angle dependancy, but in my opinion that's not a drawback. When you are standing at the end of a pinball table there is only really one view lol.



It's superior to FP in the way that you can render the objects with as much detail as you want and import whatever resolution images you want VP to use.(not that I've accomplished it yet haha) Vp doesn't need more juice to render a seriously complex model as it does to render a very simple model. It's dependent on the speed at which you need the reel to flip the images and the masks you need to get the ball to pass behind them on the playfield. It is all dependent on the skill of the person modeling and rendering the images of course, which is what I've been trying to get figured out. I would think FP would slow to a crawl trying to render the models I created for this table