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[widget2k13]

hi, could anyone recommend a pretty reasonable cost controller board for dof please ? was looking at kl25 board but looks a bit out of my capabilities to add expansion boards etc plus i could not find anywhere that sells the expansion boards etc that i would need.

 

im based in the uk and cannot seem to find a uk supplier of anything like this 

 

thank you 

[DDH69]

If you want an all-in-one option then perhaps have a look at PinControl 2 for lots of outputs, or PinControl 1 for a few less.

 

Not sure what your definition of "reasonable cost" is, but of course the more you do for yourself the more likely you can lower the cost.  A fully setup board with boosters is a great option if you're not someone who wants to play with, or learn electronics.

[widget2k13]

thanks mate

i have a fully kitted out pincab with all the toys and pin control 2 but im not really happy with it in vpx so was looking for an alternative controller so i can compare them.

[STV]

What's the problem with the pincontrol2 ?    I don't use it but it looks like a reasonable solution.   

 

I hacked together the KL25z/pinscape and those red 4 port MOSFET boards to do the job.   Prior to that I used the sainsmart 8 for a while.  And then also a SS16 triggered by LEDWIZ but those SS relays fail after a while...  MOSFETS for the win!  No problems since building that solution.

[widget2k13]

Im just having delay problems with bumpers slingshots flippers etc going off , and sometimes not going off at all , I know its not really a huge issue to some people but to me it makes vpx unplayable and not enjoyable when contractors are firing at the wrong time or not at all sometimes , was just looking for an easy cheaper alternative board to try in

[STV]

OK.  I had delay problems then discovered that the sainsmart relays die after some time and that was the harbinger symptom...   But that doesn't apply to your pincontrol2.    I've also had the solenoids themselves die eventually.

 

Can you jumper the voltage direct to the toy to determine if the toy itself or the bypassed circuitry is the source of the delay?  Could be a weakening power supply maybe?  Simple matter of a wire  connectors coming loose? 

 

I suppose an SS8 board which can be directly controlled by DOF is one of the cheaper easier things you could substitute as a test.   

 

My pinscape/mosfet hack job is fairly simple and low cost. But with a pincotrol board already installed... not sure it'd be "easy".  I'd be happy to answer any questions if you're interested.

[widget2k13]

Checking the toys contractors manually they are working fine with no delay etc , its just through vpx it does it, Sven has said its normal and has tested it on other pincontrol2 systems with the same results, but to me its not right and I cannot play it like that its embarrassing also when your trying to show it off to visitors and they comment on why they not in sync haha even if they know nothing about visual pinball its so obvious its not working right
Do you have any links or pictures of what parts I would need to build it ?

[STV]

Yeah, that's crazy talk.  If it's not clicking when it's supposed to then what's the point?  That can't be "normal".  

 

Looks like what you might be doing is ripping out the pincontrol2 entirely then implementing a completely different solution?   I'd hold out some hope that somebody familiar with this pincontrol board might have a different idea that could "fix" it.  Surely there's a pincontrol2 person around here that wouldn't want to let that board have this bad rep.    

 

The problem is it's not real easy to just "put in another board and test".   You'd be essentially redesigning the whole solution and rewiring everything.  

[widget2k13]

sven is the seller of the pincontrol2 board, he has tried helping me a lot but no joy with it, he tested it on other pin cabs and said its normal which is such a shame, i am gutted to have to rip it out especially after the cost and the work to fit it but if thats what its going to have to take then i will because to me its not playable as it is  

i just need an all in one solution to work all my toys, i dont mind having to wire it all up again as i've done that twice already just to rule out dodgy wiring.

pc2 seemed the perfect solution to me as well, is there anything else similar to that ?

[Outhere]

You say --- it makes vpx unplayable

What about VP-9

[gtxjoe]

You have Pinscape, Ledwiz or Pacled64 with booster circuits or relays, or zebsboards(On vacation until Aug)

[widget2k13]

vp9, fx3,proc all work pretty much perfect its just vpx tables i really seem to have the issue with 

[Outhere]

What version of DOF are you running

[widget2k13]

the latest version, i have even tried running older ones but no different 

ive had several discussions about it over the months on facebook group but no solution, i have had my cab remote checked several times and software is all fine and installed correctly etc 

[Outhere]

Post something here and post a log after running  VPX and a log after running vp-9..

https://www.vpforums...c=39557&page=18

Edited by Outhere, 19 February 2019 - 01:45 AM.

[STV]

On a hunch, rename the ledwiz.dll found in c:\DirectOutput so it's not a dll file.

[Outhere]

some info maybe

https://www.vpforums...ic=39557&page=4

[Outhere]

On a hunch, rename the ledwiz.dll found in c:\DirectOutput so it's not a dll file.

As far as I know the new version does not need a ledwiz.dll in a DirectOutput Folder

I do not have one in mine

[STV]

Right.     The new DOF version does not use ledwiz.dll but older versions did.   I had DOF problems with my first vpin build after updating DOF and renaming that file solved the problem although my problem wasn't delay.

 

I keep the dll to rename back when I want to use the NewLedTester.exe that MJR wrote, it's handy and requires that dll.

 

 

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[Outhere]

OK that explains it I have the tester in a sub folder

Right.      The new DOF version does not use ledwiz.dll but older versions did.   I had DOF problems with my first vpin build after updating DOF and renaming that file solved the problem although my problem wasn't delay.

 

I keep the dll to rename back when I want to use the NewLedTester.exe that MJR wrote, it's handy and requires that dll.

 

 

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