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[rascal]

File Name: Barb Wire - Gottlieb 1996

File Submitter: rascal

File Submitted: 12 Dec 2018

File Category: VPX/VPinMAME - MOD Tables

Author(s): TAB, Destruk, Rascal
Manufacturer: Gottlieb
Year: 1996
ROM: Link to ROM
Permission to MOD?: Yes, without approval

This is a VPX conversion of TAB and Destruk's 1996 Gottlieb Premier Barb Wire table. Big thanks to TAB and Destruk for their work. It can use some 3D models, but it doesn't look too bad as it is. Feel free to fix it up or modify it, after all I'm a newbie to the VP scene.
It needs the rom named "barbwire.zip". Hopefully you have a friend who has it, because the Gottlieb roms were pulled for all of the VP sites.

 

Click here to download this file

[Redwings13]

I installed the table and have no rolling ball sound, I’ve been messing with it and have had no luck. Please help

[Thalamus]

Oh. Its there. But someone changed the sound sample to very low ones instead of doing what was intended in the first place. Adjust the Const value. Try to change.

 

Const VolDiv = 800   ' Lower number, louder ballrolling/collition sound

 

to

 

Const VolDiv = 20    ' Lower number, louder ballrolling/collition sound

 

I also recommend to put all samples that has been pushed into the backglass back to where they belong. The table. Just open Sound manager and pick those that are marked as backglass and press that button 'Toggle BG out'..

Edited by Thalamus, 31 March 2019 - 09:00 PM.

[Karlor]

Thanks for this table conversion! So it looks like it needs the fat guy in the chair and the bulldozer 3D model, what others is it missing? I can track down bulldozer model and texture probably pretty easy but the fat guy will have to be custom. What other 3d models would be good? maybe some black Harley bike toys? Uzis?

[Thalamus]

Anything that fits the original table would be great. I don't know of any uzis

[Redwings13]

thank you thalamus, now i can hear it.

[Karlor]

Anything that fits the original table would be great. I don't know of any uzis

Whats the gun she uses(Desert Eagle?) I cant remember form the show.. and thats the other thing wasn't there a Barb Wire TV show too or am I getting that mixed up with something else lol

 

hmmm the bulldozer, some Harley/Gun toys should be easy to dig up and I'll post links but they have to be put "in" the table by someone who knows how. Still over my head right now but working on it..

 

The fat guy in the chair is the one I'll start messing with myself and try to either make it or get some model help from friends. Mite take a bit..

 

Grabbing the shovel to go out and dig around, be back later

[Karlor]

So I scrounged this model of a bulldozer up:

https://www.thingive...m/thing:1621482

 

it's not bad at least for a starting point?

[Thalamus]

Better than what we've got

[Karlor]

So after looking into it she rides a "1996 Triumph Thunderbird and Tiger" not a Harley and her pistols are Desert Eagles..

 

Better than what we've got

 

 

Its not half bad, would be cool to animate the scoop at some point but that definitely over my head.. first things first, I have a question about textures and models..

 

so what little model and texturing I have done was mostly for Skyrim mods. So if I was going to do the "dump site" from this table in Skyrim I would texture the tractor, get tires + textures, gas can + textures, rubbish pile + textures..

 

then in the game editor just add the pile, then place the dozer, then sprinkle tires and add the gas can (or whatever the red thing is) around bingo finished..

 

So in VP that "scene" I described would it need to be all one model and texture preferably? 

[Thalamus]

I'm not the correct guy to ask these questions to. For 3D stuff, Bord, 3rdaxis and those guys is a safer bet.

 

Btw. table will probably soon get an small update. For the impatient ones - it was updated on vpinball.

 

Ups. Rascal is too quick for me. Already updated here to. Sorry for the confusion.

Edited by Thalamus, 03 April 2019 - 10:00 PM.

[worrick69]

I am not a table designer or dare to have any of the skills of you guys that make these tables but I do have this machine in perfect condition and could vacuum form the fat guy or something of that nature if it helps? 

[Karlor]

I am not a table designer or dare to have any of the skills of you guys that make these tables but I do have this machine in perfect condition and could vacuum form the fat guy or something of that nature if it helps? 

I think getting some really good pictures for a play field redraw would be super tits as the current is pretty low res. It seems like resources for this table are scarce so anything of quality would probably be of help. As well as some good pics of the dump site and fat guy. The pics I can find are usually not that close up and usually only from the front..

 

I have been thinking of getting a 3D scanner, I wonder how that would work for doing toys. If I could bring it to shows and do some scanning here or there that might be kind of cool. From what Ive seen you can get pretty decent results but not sure how it would do with a small pinball table toy..

 

If anyone has any tips or recommendations on "affordable" 3D scanners I'm all ears  

[Thalamus]

Obviously a full scan of the playfield is what we really always hope to get our hands on. But, Karlor is right. Pictures of the playfield taken without flash at as close to 90 degrees as possible is a huge help for almost any table. Without the glass of course. And for models. As many pictures as possible from any angle. If/When you do maintenance, is the perfect time to make these.

[rascal]

As many CLEAR pictures as you can take would help for sure. Closeups and shots from as many angles as you can. Remove the glass on the table and try to take the pictures without a flash in a well lit room. If you can get the fat dude from all different sides and angles, there are programs that can possibly make a model from multiple pictures. One such program I linked here.

https://www.3dflow.n...df-zephyr-free/

 

Same goes for the bulldozer model, take as many pictures as you can. 3df zephyr free allows up to 50 pictures. I haven't tried this particular program myself yet, but I have tried others in the past with some success. I had 123D Catch on my phone, but they have discontinued it.

 

Anyway, please take many pictures. the more the better. Try to avoid shadows and light reflections the best you can. Everything including plastics.

[worrick69]

Ok can do, I have really good camera. So like pics of hole play field and then individual pics from as many angle of toys as possible? Do i take close up pics of individual points of play field or does that matter?

[rascal]

Ok can do, I have really good camera. So like pics of hole play field and then individual pics from as many angle of toys as possible? Do i take close up pics of individual points of play field or does that matter?

For the dozer and the fat dude, try to keep them close up, but yet in the frame (separately) and in small increment moves around them. The other plastics and the playfield, just straight overhead if possible but close up. Shoot a whole crap load, the more the better. If I can't make the models, I'm sure someone else can with enough resources. Thanks in advance for doing this.

 

I'm testing out this 3df zephyr free right now with a small trophy I had sitting around. I took like 46 images of the trophy and I'm masking out the object now to see if this program is worth messing with. I'll post my results.

Edited by rascal, 05 April 2019 - 07:00 PM.

[worrick69]

Ok, does it work well on close ups of fat dude and toys to do panorama? Will do a bunch this weekend. Where do I send them? And for another stupid question, Do I take pics of playfield with machine on or off, or both

[worrick69]

I bet I could remove fat guy and dozer and do a good vacuum mold and fill with plaster to make good mold. Do a lot of this with 1/5 scale rc body's and rc airplane parts. Could send parts to you guys that know what your doing.

[Karlor]

 

Ok can do, I have really good camera. So like pics of hole play field and then individual pics from as many angle of toys as possible? Do i take close up pics of individual points of play field or does that matter?

For the dozer and the fat dude, try to keep them close up, but yet in the frame (separately) and in small increment moves around them. The other plastics and the playfield, just straight overhead if possible but close up. Shoot a whole crap load, the more the better. If I can't make the models, I'm sure someone else can with enough resources. Thanks in advance for doing this.

 

I'm testing out this 3df zephyr free right now with a small trophy I had sitting around. I took like 46 images of the trophy and I'm masking out the object now to see if this program is worth messing with. I'll post my results.

 

@Rascal - Please let us know how it goes! I have experimented with this photogrammetry process as well but my results weren't to good, probably just lack of experience. Some people seem to get really good models once they get it tuned in and how to compile all the photos. After my failures in this department is what got me thinking on a 3D scanner.. been wanting one for all sorts of stuff for a while know.. will the pinball obsession be the one that pushes my over the goal line into getting one?.. If I can find a good one in the $250-500 range I'll pull the trigger and give it a try.

 

@worrick69 - Thanks for offering to take pictures of your table! I would say molding them and stuff would be like a last resort.. If you wanted to pull the fat guy and dump site and then take many pictures of them by them self to try the Photogrammetry method.

 

To do this:

Remove fat guy or dump site and place them in the center of the room on like a table or whatever. Same thing here as with the table, no flash and try to get good even lighting on the piece your shooting. Then WITHOUT MOVING THE PIECE take photos ALL around the piece, walk around it 360 taking photos high looking down, middle shots, and lower shots from many different angels all while walking around it 360.. the trick is NOT to move the piece, and just take photos as you pivot around the piece..

 

hopefully the photos can be stitched together and a model AND textures pulled form it

 

EDIT: @worrick69 - Also please be extra careful and don't damage your machine or toys just for us I'd imagine parts are basically non existent so please, take care..

Edited by Karlor, 05 April 2019 - 09:31 PM.