34 replies to this topic

[jkimbrell]

I found this guy on ebay.  Looks promising.  It has a two bank programmable time so you should be able to program the relay to close after a programmed number of seconds, then open again after a second number of programmed seconds.  Going to pick one up and test it out.  Can't beat the price at $8.  

 

http://www.ebay.com/...=item3f31696bca

[Slydog43]

please keep us informed as this seems like a fix for those who don't have auto on TV's.  (my backglass is not auto on and would love to add this)

[gStAv]

Cool I'm in the same boat as you guys with the back glass TV

[BigBoss]

I don't understand. What good will this be? The tv gets power but doesn't auto turn on. How can a relay solve that? Edit: do you crack open the case and wire to the tv power switch? What about touch sensitive bezels?

I have solved this problem using an ir repeater and winlirc to send the power on ir code during windows start up.

Edited by BigBoss, 09 June 2014 - 08:30 PM.

[gStAv]

Yes, I have wired up my TV poewr switch to ectended wires to a push button next to the original power sitch.

Would be cool to get rid of the extra button though

[jkimbrell]

yes, the relay would open/close the TV's power switch.  My TV needs about 4 seconds after power on before it will accept any power button presses.  The idea here is to have the relay triggered by 12v from the main PC power supply, that would then start the first timer for 5 seconds then close the relay, wait another second or two then open it again.  Should work perfect for that.  I ordered this earlier this morning so hopefully I'll have it the weekend

[mjr]

I found this guy on ebay.  Looks promising.  It has a two bank programmable time so you should be able to program the relay to close after a programmed number of seconds, then open again after a second number of programmed seconds.  Going to pick one up and test it out.  Can't beat the price at $8.  

 

http://www.ebay.com/...=item3f31696bca

 

That looks to me like it'll do the trick, although I can't tell from the description if you can get it to do a single pulse or if it'll keep repeating on a cycle.  If it's the latter it'll keep turning your TV on and off every 4 seconds, which wouldn't be ideal.

 

I have exactly the same complication with my TVs.  I custom-built a little circuit that does the same thing, but this would be a lot easier, assuming it does have a one-shot non-cycling mode.

Edited by mjr, 10 June 2014 - 12:28 AM.

[jkimbrell]

Here's a clip from the manual the seller sent me:

 

Timer Relay Module (FRM01) User Manual         The multifunctional relay control module (FRM01), designed for the customers of different needs, micro-controller as the main control unit, preset 18 kinds of functions, and can be  based on user needs, customize and add other specific functions.The module using of high-quality power relay module, high-power and high-voltage transistor, red & blue signal lights, double-sided PCB board, stable performance, can be widely used in a variety of power control occasions.          

 

 I. Module Function The user can select one of the following 18 kinds of function according to keys and display, can set and save the parameters of the 18 kinds of function, also can view the current function parameters, time parameter sets the minimum  0.1 second adjustable, more expertise.Gentle remind: Function 1-8 start automatically after power on; function 9-18 start required a high level Pulse signal trigger, and the high level duration≥20ms;function 9 is self-locking mode; function 10 is a level control mode.

 

[Function 1]： Timing Pull-in：after power on, when arrived the setting time T1,the relay pull-in,and the T1 can be adjustable between 0.1 second -270  hours, give CH1 interface a high pulse signal(high level duration≥20ms),repeat the above function.[Function 2]： Timing Disconnect：after power on the relay pull-in, when arrived the setting time T1,the relay disconnect, and the T1 can be adjustable between 0.1 second -270  hours, give CH1 interface a high pulse signal(high level duration≥20ms),repeat the above function.

[Function 3]： Timing Pull-in Then Disconnect: after power on, the relay don’t pull-in, when arrived the setting time T1 relay pull-in; when arrived the setting time T2 relay  格兰瑞科技TEL:0755-86030290        

[Function 4]： Timing Disconnect Then Pull-in : after power on, the relay immediately pull-in, when arrived the setting time T1 relay disconnect; when arrived the setting time T2 relay pull-in， and the T1 and T2 can be adjustable between 0.1 second -270 hours, give CH1 interface a high pulse signal(high level duration≥20ms),repeat the above function

[maestro300]

My 46" Playfield TV does NOT auto power on.   I did, however, tape the power button down with duct tape and works great!    Found this solution on another thread-- did this not work in your case?   

 

For my TV-- I had to reconnect the ribbon cable to the buttons (my tv is decased) the buttons for the TV were still inside the frame.   After removing the board and attaching back to the TV-- taping just that button did the trick.

[jkimbrell]

Taping the power button did not work in my scenario.  My TV does not accept any button presses until about 4 seconds after being energized.  Not sure why (firmware initializing??).  The relay posted above works perfectly.  It's default settings are 5 seconds for each timer bank which is perfect for this use.  You simply need to change the mode to "03" which is close relay coil after timer 1 completes, open relay after time 2 completes with no repeat of cycle (unless you specifically feed a high pulse on the "CH1" input terminal).  

 

Here's a quick video of it in action set to mode "03":

 

 

[Zablon]

For those that haven't tried, I solved this issue by using a zip tie to keep the button pressed in always. (button is on the side). All you need to do to test if this will work is hold it in while you plug it in. A zip tie probably won't work for something you leave the bezel on, but you could try other things to keep the button pressed in. Just be careful not to crush it!

Edited by Zablon, 13 June 2014 - 05:54 PM.

[maestro300]

For those that haven't tried, I solved this issue by using a zip tie to keep the button pressed in always. (button is on the side). All you need to do to test if this will work is hold it in while you plug it in. A zip tie probably won't work for something you leave the bezel on, but you could try other things to keep the button pressed in. Just be careful not to crush it!

Thanks-- will try that.   I tried taping mine but seems to randomly either unstick or turn the playfield monitor off during play :/

[Galahad999]

Of my three monitors, one of them is a tiny old Dell 1703FPs.  If you have it ON when power is pulled, it remembers that condition and turns back on after it gets power back.  Hopefully, that's something that everyone dealing with these issues has tried at least once -- it could really simplify your power up situation if your monitor supports that.

 

Holding the power button down while powering up didn't help either of my other monitors, though.

Edited by Galahad999, 19 June 2014 - 05:06 AM.

[sliderpoint]

I have a cheapo Proscan monitor for my backglass that also didn't come on with power or when holding in the power button.  This little chip worked great to turn it on.  I hooked it up to the PC power supply and soldered some wires to the monitor power switch. Timer works exactly as described.  Happy that one button fires up everything now!

 

Thanks!

-Mike

[boiydiego]

is there a schema(wiring diagram) how to connect of the module ??

[sliderpoint]

I don't have a schema, but here are some pictures of my wires.

 

this is the power switch for the monitor

 

the board

 

Tapping into the PC Power supply

 

Hope that helps.

 

-Mike

Edited by sliderpoint, 03 July 2014 - 03:52 PM.

[boiydiego]

how did you know what 2 points you needed to solder on the buttonprintboard ?

Edited by boiydiego, 04 July 2014 - 09:34 AM.

[gStAv]

On my board it's both printed on the board "power on" on those two points and also the button from the case matched it up

[sliderpoint]

Yeah, there are buttons on the back if that board. Those line up with the labels when it was still in the bezel. I soldered on to the back of the "power" -Mike

Edited by sliderpoint, 06 July 2014 - 04:14 AM.

[jkimbrell]

@boiydiego - Here are the basic directions to program the relay board:   (responded to PM and here in case anyone else needs the directions)

 

1. hold the SET button and the parameter led will start flashing.  

 

2. short press the SET button and cycle through to MD (mode).  The led panel will show a digit of what mode is currently set.  

 

3. short press SW1 to cycle through the digits on the led panel to get to the digit you want to change.

 

4. change the digit with the NUM+ and NUM- as needed and hold NUM1 to accept the new setting.  (set it to 3 for the usage described in the thread).

 

To program the timer parameters (T1 and T2), follow the exact same steps.   Default setting is 5 secs for each timer.  To exit programming mode, hold SET and the routine will run.  

 

Once you have it programmed, you can turn off the led panel (power saver mode) by short pressing SET.  Another short press of SET turns it back on.

 

If your TV doesn't turn on when the relay closes, increase the T1.  Some TV's need more than 5 seconds to initialize fully and be able to accept button presses.  

Edited by jkimbrell, 17 July 2014 - 02:26 AM.