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[rob046]

These are tables I want to see done very soon & will gladly do myself (need stripped PF help only, good on plastics). I've got the nicest pics for these tables you could want, but they are populated. For Cosmic Gunfight I think I could use plastic scans as well but with my pics I can work with those if need be.

For these tables, whether a redraw or a clean-up, its all good by me. I just want a stripped PF to work with, don't care if its a redraw or not. There is the upper left area of Farfalla, that can be tough to see (the PF below the clear plastic) in the pics. However, I took as many pics as I could of this area from different angles so that the gaps could be filled in by an artist.
Or, better yet... if anybody has any decent pic of this area stripped, that would be awesome & I'm sure would help.

I technically do have a stripped PF pic of Farfalla, but is is very low res, it won't cut it:(

Edited by rob046, 27 August 2012 - 11:22 PM.

[T-800]

These are 2 tables I want to see done very soon or will do them myself (PF's only, good on plastics). I've got the nicest pics for these tables you could want, but they are populated. Embryon could be a pretty easy cleanup, & it doesn't need re-drawn if it is too difficult, just cleaned up.
I could maybe even clean that one up myself, but since I'm working on tables, I figure if anyone is out there who wants to help out with these, it would definitely be appreciated. & if it is me that does the tables, any re-draw will definitely get credit as co-author on the table.

Embryon is a GREAT classic table with amazing art, & it is WAY overdue to get done in VP9. Same with Farfalla, maybe the best table ever made outside of the US.
Farfalla might be better suited for a redraw, but that isn't for me to decide. Whatever works, I don't care. I just want a stripped PF to work with, don't care if its a redraw or not. There is the upper left area that can be tough to see (the PF below the clear plastic) in the pics. However, I took as many pics as I could of this area from different angles so that the gaps could be filled in by an artist.
Or, better yet... if anybody has any decent pic of this PF or area stripped, that would be awesome.

OK then, those are just 2 tables that I most certainly WILL do if/when there are PF's ready to go. & they are such good tables that if I don't get to them in a timely manner, I am certain somebody else will.
I technically do have pics of stripped PF's of both tables, but they are too low res to do anything with.

I'm assuming you've seen the FS release of Embryon in VP9....
http://www.vpforums....u...l&f_id=6215

[rob046]

I'm assuming you've seen the FS release of Embryon in VP9....
http://www.vpforums....u...l&f_id=6215

No I haven't seen that. Its actually a little frustrating because this is yet another table that I see somebody updated for VP9, yet didn't bother releasing for desktop (which takes like 5 extra minutes for an angle independent table like this & would make like a thousand more people happy). Oh well, maybe somebody who has some free time can do a quick desktop conversion of this in the meantime, or maybe I will since it could be a while before I'd get to a full re-do. I'll convert then check out that release, but I have a feeling the game could still use a proper VP9 re-build.
Especially since it sounds like CaptainNeo might be able to help me with a sweet PF, & I'm all set on other resources too.

Edited by rob046, 27 August 2012 - 11:17 PM.

[Shooby Doo]

I'm assuming you've seen the FS release of Embryon in VP9....
http://www.vpforums....u...l&f_id=6215

No I haven't seen that. Its actually a little frustrating because this is yet another table that I see somebody updated for VP9, yet didn't bother releasing for desktop (which takes like 5 extra minutes for an angle independent table like this & would make like a thousand more people happy). Oh well, maybe somebody who has some free time can do a quick desktop conversion of this in the meantime, or maybe I will since it could be a while before I'd get to a full re-do. I'll convert then check out that release, but I have a feeling the game could still use a proper VP9 re-build.
Especially since it sounds like CaptainNeo might be able to help me with a sweet PF, & I'm all set on other resources too.

I turned that embryon to desktop, but I didn't do a great job, I just made it playable. It's really just PacDude's VP8 version converted to VP9. A new build would be spectacular.

[PainkillerAlice]

I would love to see Farfalla done.

[bodydump]

Wow, Farfalla looks like a bitch of a redraw. I'm interested...i like a good challenge. If you don't mind Rob could you send me the pics so I can see what resources we have and what I'm getting myself into. It might take awhile since I have too many projects going on already. Also when you get a chance could you send me the World Cup 78 photos so I can finish that up for Itchigo. Thanks.

[rob046]

Wow, Farfalla looks like a bitch of a redraw. I'm interested...i like a good challenge. If you don't mind Rob could you send me the pics so I can see what resources we have and what I'm getting myself into. It might take awhile since I have too many projects going on already. Also when you get a chance could you send me the World Cup 78 photos so I can finish that up for Itchigo. Thanks.

Yes, & I have a bunch from a couple different machines. It might be a lot of work if you want to do a full redraw on it, but then not having a good redraw or scan of this PF is surely keeping anybody from wanting to build the table as I think the current version might be going on 10 years old.
Kind of a shame for what many think is the best game of all the Zaccaria's. Also I can't think of many or any redraws that might look as stunning as this one would. So I guess hard work but high reward on this one. Yes I'll send you those world cup pics too, I must of got sidetracked from that, sorry.
I'll see if I can get all this together now.

[rob046]

OK bodydump, here are both sets of pics. For Farfalla, its a big download, lots of pics & you can pick & choose what works for you, delete the rest. However, 1 folder I think has most of the best pics, so I'd maybe lean more on that one, then maybe use the others for reference or spots of harder to see areas. I could only post that folder which would make for a much smaller file, but considering how much detail is on this game for a redraw, better be safe & include them all. Btw, I probably will continue to look & maybe make another push on real pinball web sites to maybe get a good stripped pic or maybe at least a strip of that top left area. Not sure if I'll turn up anything, but if you started on this you could always safe those toughest areas for last in hopes that something turns up by then.

IMPORTANT NOTE... for both farfalla & world cup, each has a folder called 2012. These are pics I just took a few weeks ago at the PAPA warehouse at both games. I had forgot to correct my white balance setting on my camera that weekend (just for the 2012 folders), & so the pics turned out cool looking (literally cool). To see what the colors should look like, simply refer to the pics outside of that folder, especially the 2011 pics because those are from the same place & same camera, just a year earlier & with proper white balance.
in fact, if you can do me a favor. I got like 1,000 pictures all with this white balance issue. If you find some good settings in photoshop that can generally correct them, then I think that same setting could maybe help me correct all my pics in 1 shot. So maybe let me know what the setting(s) are so I can fix all my pics.
I think you would want to correct the pics, especially for World Cup because probably the best pics of that game are in the 2012 folder, once the color is corrected.

I'll just post both zips here in case somebody else might want to help me with the white balance correction, & for anybody just a fan of art should love the Farfalla pics...
easypinballpro.com/Farfalla.zip
http://easypinballpr...p_Soccer_78.zip

[Plumb]

In PSP X4, using color temperature 8954, tint 33 and then a 10-20% saturation boost appears to do wonders for those Tungsten white balanced photos.

[rob046]

OK, sounds like bodydump wants to eventually get to this, also in hopes I can find some stripped images by the time he starts.
Also I just noticed that IPDB has some decent images without any glare. Doubtful they are any better than some of the ones in my zip, but it can't hurt to have them or check them out...
http://www.ipdb.org/...&...2448&zoom=1

Still looking to see if anyone is interested in Cosmic Gunfight. It looks like it would make for a MUCH easier redraw than, say, Farfalla. I inquire about this game because it is incredibly underrated, rare, & unknown... considering how good of a game it is.
It could really come to life in a nice VP9 build. Trust me on this!

In PSP X4, using color temperature 8954, tint 33 and then a 10-20% saturation boost appears to do wonders for those Tungsten white balanced photos.

Thanks! I don't use PSP, but your comment did give me the idea to look again for a color temp type of thing in photoshop. I ended up finding one, though for some odd reason its now called "photo filter" which was why I had trouble finding it before.
I used the default warming filter thing, set the density to 27.... then I set "Vibrance" to 48 & just a hint of Saturation with 4... then I bumped up Brightness just a little, with 6 (though this setting can depend on each pic).
I was going to use more Saturation instead of Vibrance, but honestly I keep finding Vibrance to be a superior setting for this kind of stuff. It is kind of a "smart" setting that will only enhance certain colors & you don't really lose details. I think Saturation is best for when you need a more severe color correction, or if you don't mind some colors being a bit unrealistic.
At least in this case, these settings are doing wonders for my pics. They might even look better than my last years PAPA pics that did have proper white balance! Photoshop saving my ass again!

& so for pinball pics that some people might be using for redraws, I think its best to try to preserve the most accurate colors. I wish I had an SLR camera to correct these, but re-saving them to JPEG after fixing is actually working out well. File size is just a tiny bit larger, & zero quality loss that I can tell when saving at 80% (for web).

Edited by rob046, 30 August 2012 - 11:06 PM.

[Plumb]

These are tables I want to see done very soon & will gladly do myself (need stripped PF help only, good on plastics). I've got the nicest pics for these tables you could want, but they are populated. For Cosmic Gunfight I think I could use plastic scans as well but with my pics I can work with those if need be.

For these tables, whether a redraw or a clean-up, its all good by me. I just want a stripped PF to work with, don't care if its a redraw or not. There is the upper left area of Farfalla, that can be tough to see (the PF below the clear plastic) in the pics. However, I took as many pics as I could of this area from different angles so that the gaps could be filled in by an artist.
Or, better yet... if anybody has any decent pic of this area stripped, that would be awesome & I'm sure would help.

I technically do have a stripped PF pic of Farfalla, but is is very low res, it won't cut it:(

Ask and you shall receive (Cosmic Gunfight PF) anyway... Coming soon to a VPF near you.

[bodydump]

We need to find out who's buying THIS and get them to strip it and scan it.

[PainkillerAlice]

Wow, Farfalla looks like a bitch of a redraw. I'm interested...i like a good challenge. If you don't mind Rob could you send me the pics so I can see what resources we have and what I'm getting myself into. It might take awhile since I have too many projects going on already. Also when you get a chance could you send me the World Cup 78 photos so I can finish that up for Itchigo. Thanks.

Yes, & I have a bunch from a couple different machines. It might be a lot of work if you want to do a full redraw on it, but then not having a good redraw or scan of this PF is surely keeping anybody from wanting to build the table as I think the current version might be going on 10 years old.
Kind of a shame for what many think is the best game of all the Zaccaria's. Also I can't think of many or any redraws that might look as stunning as this one would. So I guess hard work but high reward on this one. Yes I'll send you those world cup pics too, I must of got sidetracked from that, sorry.
I'll see if I can get all this together now.

Poor playfield images didn't stop me from making Algar.

[Plumb]

Poor playfield images didn't stop me from making Algar.

Algar alone should have stopped you from making Algar.

[rob046]

We need to find out who's buying THIS and get them to strip it and scan it.

I saw that a few days ago, & no lie I thought about buying it, just to have it!

Wow, Farfalla looks like a bitch of a redraw. I'm interested...i like a good challenge. If you don't mind Rob could you send me the pics so I can see what resources we have and what I'm getting myself into. It might take awhile since I have too many projects going on already. Also when you get a chance could you send me the World Cup 78 photos so I can finish that up for Itchigo. Thanks.

Yes, & I have a bunch from a couple different machines. It might be a lot of work if you want to do a full redraw on it, but then not having a good redraw or scan of this PF is surely keeping anybody from wanting to build the table as I think the current version might be going on 10 years old.
Kind of a shame for what many think is the best game of all the Zaccaria's. Also I can't think of many or any redraws that might look as stunning as this one would. So I guess hard work but high reward on this one. Yes I'll send you those world cup pics too, I must of got sidetracked from that, sorry.
I'll see if I can get all this together now.

Poor playfield images didn't stop me from making Algar.

Right, but when there are people around who can clean up images, why not ask? I actually have good images for Algar that I've taken myself, they aren't stripped but high res.
Also it helps with algar that it is just a single level table. Farfalla has that upper area that is so cluttered & that top level, just makes it hard to properly work with those pics as they are.

[CaptainNeo]

didn't I upload cosmic gunfight playfield? Btw, Embryon just got it's first layer of clear, so i'll be scanning it in soon.

[kruge99]

didn't I upload cosmic gunfight playfield? Btw, Embryon just got it's first layer of clear, so i'll be scanning it in soon.

Seriously?!?!? I'll remake it from scratch if you plastics scans too?

[rob046]

didn't I upload cosmic gunfight playfield? Btw, Embryon just got it's first layer of clear, so i'll be scanning it in soon.

No, but Plumb just uploaded it a few hours ago! Man I wish it was always this easy to ask & receive stuff! & with that Embryon scan coming soon, that is gonna be pretty! Can't wait to see it, do you have a guess on how long it might be so that I can maybe prepare for it somewhat (no hurry though, just curious if its a matter of a few days, weeks or months is all). Great to not just get resources like this, but to now be getting them for such great titles is a major bonus!
Thanks again!

didn't I upload cosmic gunfight playfield? Btw, Embryon just got it's first layer of clear, so i'll be scanning it in soon.

Seriously?!?!? I'll remake it from scratch if you plastics scans too?

Actually the reason I started this thread was to request the Embryon scan. Neo said he'd have one soon, & so I updated the title of this thread to say Cosmic Gunfight Instead. Now... 2 down, 1 to go!

But, yeah I've got everything to do a truly amazing looking Embryon, once this scan is ready. Just myself I've taken probably 100 pics of this game with my camera, got scans, backglass, probably cab pics... the works. Its all ready to go because I've been wanting to make this game in VP for about 7 years now, just never had the great stripped PF resources.
I definitely still want to do it, of course, else I wouldn't of been asking for the PF. But I'd like to see where I'm at with free time & other projects once the scan comes out. If it isn't looking good then I'll gladly pass off all my stuff to you & you can have at it.

Edited by rob046, 01 September 2012 - 04:20 AM.

[Plumb]

do you have a guess on how long it might be so that I can maybe prepare for it somewhat (no hurry though, just curious if its a matter of a few days, weeks or months is all).

Days to a few weeks would be my guess. Any longer than that wouldn't pay the bills for Neo and he likes to pay the bills.

[Sabbat]

Cosmic Gunfight is one of my favorite tables. I was so addicted to it 2 years ago at our expo.