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#1 SpacemanSpiff

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Posted 29 April 2024 - 03:53 PM

Hi all,
 

I'm new to the scene, and only just discovered Pinscape, and I'm hearing that it may be "on the ropes" as a controller option?  What's the status of Pinscape?  Is it still supported?  What are my options?
 

 

Thank you!

 

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#2 mjr

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Posted 29 April 2024 - 08:33 PM

The big obstacle to setting up a new Pinscape system is that the retail microcontroller board that it's based on - the FRDM-KL25Z - is hard to find these days.  It seems that it was an early victim of the post-COVID semiconductor shortage.  All of the major distributors (Mouser, Digikey, Newark) sold out of their inventory around 2020-2021, and it's been really hard to find them since.  You can still find them on Amazon and eBay, sporadically, and often at ridiculous scalper-level markups.  NXP (the manufacturer) still shows it as an activate part on their web site, so *maybe* they'll do another run of them someday, but they make no promises to that effect.  I actually just checked the NXP site...

 

https://www.nxp.com/...mcus:FRDM-KL25Z

 

moments ago, to double-check that the part is still showing active status, and I notice that they claim to have 63 in stock right now, at $19.25.  (Inflated a bit from the old $15 list price, but it's not eBay scalper prices.)  So if anyone wants one, this might be a good time to act.  Newark also has 4 in stock right now at $26.90.

 

The other, somewhat lesser, blocker is one of the chips used in my Expansion Board design, TI's TLC5940NT.  The through-hole DIP version of that chip that I used on my boards has been out of production for many years, and while they were still fairly easy to find for a lot of that time, they also have become difficult to source lately.  You can still readily find them on eBay, but lots of people have reported problems with DOA chips or fraudulent sellers.  This is less of a show-stopper than the KL25Z because (a) you can still find them if you're persistent enough, and (b) there are some alternatives.  TI still makes two surface-mount versions of the part, which don't fit my board designs directly, but which can be made to fit with adapter boards.  And it would also be possible to rework the board designs to replace the DIP version with the surface-mount equivalents - all of the chip versions are electronically identical, so the only changes required are to the physical layout of the area where the chip mounts.  I'm not sure if I'll ever get around to it (I have too many other things on my to-do list ahead of it), but the designs are all open-source, so anyone with a little motivation could do that work.


As to "what is the 'status' of Pinscape", the software portion, the status is and will forever be that it's an open-source project that you can do with as you wish.  It's essentially not an operative concept for it to someday go out of production like a microcontroller board or IC chip can, because everything about it is published on the web, and can even be freely re-published and propagated if the main sites where I "officially" distribute my work (such as github) should ever close down.  I make no promises that I'll be available forever to personally respond to support requests, but one of the upsides/downsides of open source is that it doesn't matter whether or not I personally respond to support requests.  Everything's published and free to use and modify, so anyone can take the initiative to fix things that need to be fixed or add things that they want added, even if I'm not available or willing.



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Posted 29 April 2024 - 09:42 PM

@MJR: At first, many thanks for the great project you have created some years ago.

 

a well thought out implementation is the so called Rigmaster from Arnoz in france: https://shop.arnoz.c...ster-kl25z.html. Its pack includes KL25-controller

 

AFAIK , kl47 from flippermarkt.de forum is working on a new implementation using RP2040. But I haven't heard anything about it for some time.


Edited by fhjui, 29 April 2024 - 09:43 PM.


#4 mjr

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Posted 29 April 2024 - 10:29 PM

There's also RickH's recent announcement of his RP2040-based system to look at.


Edited by mjr, 29 April 2024 - 10:29 PM.


#5 Carny_Priest

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Posted 30 April 2024 - 04:48 AM

There is also this project.

 

https://pinball-docs...om/docs/PinOne/

 

FYI, I'm not a customer. It's just another alternative offered.



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Posted 30 April 2024 - 03:31 PM

I looked at the Pin One and it looks like a solid product with plenty of upgradeable features and a great looking setup GUI.  However, I am confused with the term, 'open source'.  Is it a binary file that can be downloaded without an EULA, or is it a collection of source files that can be altered/maintained?

 

Regards,

 

 

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Posted 30 April 2024 - 09:32 PM

In discussion on Discord (vpc-chat) I was under the impression that this would be open source in the sense that the source code would be publicly available. I don't know under what license. I haven't dug into it further. But they do seem to have a good reputation and they seem to provide good support via that Discord server. They will answer any questions you have about it. 



#8 rickh

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Posted Yesterday, 04:22 PM

I discovered that the Pin One is indeed open source and it can be found on github.  https://github.com/p...l-pinball-board



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Posted Yesterday, 08:36 PM

Hello there

 

I've made a new solution...

 

you can check here, Major Frenchy made a video, and there is an english manual.

Al links here ;)

https://shop.arnoz.c...e-s-cab-v1.html



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Posted Yesterday, 10:04 PM

PinOne is based off of Arduino, specifically the ATMega32u4 chip. The source code is available on Github, and the components used to build the PinOne Control Board are listed, though no explict license is given.

#11 rickh

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Posted Today, 12:59 AM

Hello there

 

I've made a new solution...

 

you can check here, Major Frenchy made a video, and there is an english manual.

Al links here ;)

https://shop.arnoz.c...e-s-cab-v1.html

I love it!!!  Great artwork. I also like the use of JST connections for the buttons, it make logical sense.   I couldn't see the details, but it almost looks like a RP4020.  I was discussing this with Mike and we both agreed that it was cheaper to buy a complete Pico than to purchase the RP4020 and all the popcorn parts.  However, getting a USB C connector is almost worth the hassle.  



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Posted Today, 11:11 AM

yes it's a RP2040, I used One core for input, and the other for outputs, so the input lag is full speed