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[bigus1]

File Name: South Park (Sega 1999)_Bigus(MOD)

File Submitter: bigus1

File Submitted: 07 Jun 2021

File Category: VPX/VPinMAME - MOD Tables

Author(s): Bigus1, Knorr
Manufacturer: Sega
Year: 1999
Permission to MOD?: Unspecified

This naughty table from Knorr is good fun and a laugh.
2.0 is a fresh makeover with new lighting and physics.
Enjoy

Click here to download this file

[marcio clauss]

Thank you Bigus1 - Knorr

[pablo99]

Hi Bigus, thanks for the update.

I noticed some odd behaviour as the ball enters Kenny's scoop, somehow it doesn't look right and once the ball seemed to rebound just as it was about to enter the scoop.

[bolt]

THank you Knorr and Bigus. Fantastic one.

[MrSpookypants]

Thanks for the polish!

[tmpc]

I like very much, thanks.

[Knorr]

Never gave permission to upload

[gtxjoe]

Bigus1. You even mentioned in your other posts that you didnt have permission and you werent happy about it

I see you decided to upload it anyways

[remdwaas1986]

i tought it was discust in:

Passing the baton - Pinball Discussion Forum - VPForums.org

[hauntfreaks]

Bigus1. You even mentioned in your other posts that you didnt have permission and you werent happy about it

I see you decided to upload it anyways

I've questioned him about how it was possible to get permission from so many builders.... I never got a response.... what it seems to me is he's bring tables to VPF that were never uploaded here by the original builder....  I know i been gone awhile, but this must still be a huge NO NO in the VP world/etiquette..... the lack of respect still goes on.... 

[Noah Fentz]

 

Bigus1. You even mentioned in your other posts that you didnt have permission and you werent happy about it

I see you decided to upload it anyways

I've questioned him about how it was possible to get permission from so many builders.... I never got a response.... what it seems to me is he's bring tables to VPF that were never uploaded here by the original builder....  I know i been gone awhile, but this must still be a huge NO NO in the VP world/etiquette..... the lack of respect still goes on.... 

 

 

We're working it out. I think this is a case of rescinded permission, which I'm struggling to understand. Hopefully, I get an answer soon.

 

As far as uploads here, they are to be uploaded only with permission from the original author. There is some grey area there, as many tables use resources from previous authors who allow their tables to be modded freely. Those tables are still free to MOD, no matter what the subsequent author thinks. We're pretty done with the 'mine, mine, mine' attitude when taking resources that are freely given to MOD.

 

Then, there is the whole "I don't contribute, or give back, here, but I demand respect." Those days are over.

[hauntfreaks]

 

 

Bigus1. You even mentioned in your other posts that you didnt have permission and you werent happy about it

I see you decided to upload it anyways

I've questioned him about how it was possible to get permission from so many builders.... I never got a response.... what it seems to me is he's bring tables to VPF that were never uploaded here by the original builder....  I know i been gone awhile, but this must still be a huge NO NO in the VP world/etiquette..... the lack of respect still goes on.... 

 

 

We're working it out. I think this is a case of rescinded permission, which I'm struggling to understand. Hopefully, I get an answer soon.

 

As far as uploads here, they are to be uploaded only with permission from the original author. There is some grey area there, as many tables use resources from previous authors who allow their tables to be modded freely. Those tables are still free to MOD, no matter what the subsequent author thinks. We're pretty done with the 'mine, mine, mine' attitude when taking resources that are freely given to MOD.

 

Then, there is the whole "I don't contribute, or give back, here, but I demand respect." Those days are over.

 

using free resources are one thing.... taking a table and editing the GI values and its a "mod" or its now "mine"...is something else.... i mean I would think

[Noah Fentz]

 

 

 

Bigus1. You even mentioned in your other posts that you didnt have permission and you werent happy about it

I see you decided to upload it anyways

I've questioned him about how it was possible to get permission from so many builders.... I never got a response.... what it seems to me is he's bring tables to VPF that were never uploaded here by the original builder....  I know i been gone awhile, but this must still be a huge NO NO in the VP world/etiquette..... the lack of respect still goes on.... 

 

 

We're working it out. I think this is a case of rescinded permission, which I'm struggling to understand. Hopefully, I get an answer soon.

 

As far as uploads here, they are to be uploaded only with permission from the original author. There is some grey area there, as many tables use resources from previous authors who allow their tables to be modded freely. Those tables are still free to MOD, no matter what the subsequent author thinks. We're pretty done with the 'mine, mine, mine' attitude when taking resources that are freely given to MOD.

 

Then, there is the whole "I don't contribute, or give back, here, but I demand respect." Those days are over.

 

using free resources are one thing.... taking a table and editing the GI values and its a "mod" or its now "mine"...is something else.... i mean I would think

 

 

It's a lot more involved than that. The whole 'MINE' mindset is toxic, as far as I'm concerned, anyway. Nothing we do is mine, or anyone else's. It's recreating pinball to preserve its history. It's turned into something much uglier in recent years.

[wiesshund]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a lot more involved than that. The whole 'MINE' mindset is toxic, as far as I'm concerned, anyway. Nothing we do is mine, or anyone else's. It's recreating pinball to preserve its history. It's turned into something much uglier in recent years.

 

 

Oh, it's someones, just not ours.

Stern's Williams', Gottlieb's, Data East's etc, as well as people like MGM, MCI, Sony etc.
Unless it is a 100% original, I invented it table.

 

And if i spend 6 months hand drawing the playfield in vector, it still is not mine.
I did not make it, i am just repainting it so to speak, i have no license or permission from whom ever made it originally, so i really can't tell you what to do with it.

I have already copied or moded someone else's work, with out thier permission to boot.

 

I did not make the ROM at all, i just dumped that from the pulled chips, exactly as is.
I did not invent the table design, i just put parts in where someone else already invented the locations.

I dont own any of what i just recreated, i dont even have permission to recreate it, so i can not really tell anyone else what they can and can not do it

or who they can go share it with.

If they want to make a pink version with flowers and fuzzy dice, uh just dont send me a copy
Actually, if you do that, it's totally ok to strip my name from it (Please, i dont want the blame for that)

[Wylte]

If they want to make a pink version with flowers and fuzzy dice, uh just dont send me a copy
Actually, if you do that, it's totally ok to strip my name from it (Please, i dont want the blame for that)

I hear you loud and clear

Legally Blonde mod of Heavy Metal on the way!

[bigus1]

This table was never on my radar as "needing a mod". The table had an unresolved error that caused it to crash and that's what I fixed - even though certain members can't bear to hear it. I was even prevented from saying so on my previous upload, and it's kinda why I don't give details anymore - it just gives the trolls a point of attack.

You critters need to understand that I'm giving and not taking, and if the author wants to update his table, this version in no way prevents that. I did other stuff to the table to try and diminish the howls of protest that would come from people who like to complain that nothing is done if they can't see it. I also fixed a ball trap. Also invisible.

There's an offer going at the moment to upload whatever you like with no permission required, so if all I cared about was to have my name on every table, as some have suggested, then I could. Easy.  I'm trying to help evolve these tables to keep-up with VP.  If you don't like my efforts - Great! - don't download.

[makmak]

As long as main previous "authors" (maybe "builders"/"coders"/"artists"/"programmers" would be the better term?) are still mentioned in the topic or script, whats so wrong about pimping a table and share it? (saying this, who of the authors ever "authored" a rom? Originals are a different thing) I dont feel like "awww not again the tenth version of table x with red instead of white bulbs". Well, there are dozens of versions of some table designs with various themes (with permission to mod, seawitch for example). If Im sick of it, I dont download it, without telling the world it doesnt need it.
In fact, isnt evolving tables what we all expect from the community from the second on when vpx evolves? "Authors" should be proud not pissed, if someone is working on his previous version. What I see is, previous authors ARE mentioned, not deleted. Are there examples, when someone "stole" a table, claiming its all his work?

[Gravy]

"Standing on the shoulders of giants" comes to mind... it's how humanity furthers itself.

[jpsalas]

All this "mine, mine, mine" talk makes me remember this:

 

Finding Nemo- MINE (full version HQ) - YouTube

 

[hauntfreaks]

what "some" people are not getting , is that lots (not all) of the original "recreator" "builder" asks for is one thing, respect there request to mod or dont mod/reupload....
being someone that's been involved with builds that have taken countless hours/months/years to finish, so is that request that much to ask??... I mean is it?? is it really??
there are 3 main categories of VPer:  <----IMO

1. builder/coders/graphic designers/3D modelers/modder (with permissions) 
2. player/tester/resourcer/people with real pinball knowledge
3. the typical leech

anyone want to guess what the majority is?...lol     and the one that should have zero say on this issue

my own personal thoughts, this has been the #1 issue since before i got into this sillness in (2012?)  and its not just this hobby i couldn't count how many hobbies i've been involved with.... every hobby has, "content contributors"  "talentless poachers"   and "leeches"...   and i mean EVERY hobby..... also if someone reads this and is offended by the term leech, please dont be, would I and others love to just be providing content to the people that are active in the community, sure.... but hey if the leeches enjoy it thats awesome as well, its just a term forum people use for the people that do nothing but download/use and are not active in the community....  
so will this issue/controversy ever go away?...LOL  NO , NEVER its the nature of the beast... there will always be people that dont agree and will do what they want.... in the end as users of this content, most of you know who are the real builder of the content, and those people support and agree with the requests... again some builders dont care either way, and I fully support their decision, its awesome...I support whatever the recreator decides....  remember these are my options as someone on both sides of the fence
I also pretty much know who thinks like me and who doesnt.... 

anyone that wants to debate on IP...lol... if thats really a concern, your in the wrong hobby....