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[FDSystems]

Than we get ...
you know - not the same pf

Off Topic! ( but on target!)

Good to see you back TAB!I really hope you are fine!

[Grizz]

it would be the same...
just clearer ?
i am sure i could match the font ?
and i only mean enlarging by a few points :}

Than we get ...
you know - not the same pf

[TAB]

Than we get ...
you know - not the same pf

Off Topic! ( but on target!)

Good to see you back TAB!I really hope you are fine!

Sorry - it goes much bader.
Only at night at home - and the first look was here
Tomorrow morning off again for the next weeks. Won't have a operation - but in this way it is also no life
Trying to a eye here
Thanks for your good words Helps

[destruk]

Sabbat - look at the first post of this thread for a video of what the playfield looks like now - As for the fonts, Duncan Brown said they were all custom designed fonts by Williams employees, so there isn't a 'match online' anywhere. I went through over 30,000 fonts here as well and didn't find a single one that matches every glyph they used. I did create my own replacement fonts from the pictures and screenshots and videos I have that are a good substitute, but even with those I didn't duplicate the spacing and sizing to match what the playfield has. You notice a few things are different - there isn't as much text on the playfield as there is in the display of course.
THIS IS SO WIZARD appears to be fixed spacing at the top of the playfield except the I isn't.
JAR JAR near the bumpers is a unique font?
MULTIBALL is curved and inverted compared to "TO LITE EXTRA BALL"
BUILD C-3PO -- and Watto's Junk Shop/Mos Espa Market appear to be two unique fonts
JEDI is not an exact match to the Episode 1 font custom created by Boba Fonts online - he tried but you notice his fonts are sloppy with at least 3 characters wrong, and I didn't use it.

Those are the ones you can easily see on the PF pic from IPDB, but there are a few more - EXTRA BALL on the R2-D2 lane, "The power of The Force" flashers, 2X/3X/4X/5X Naboo Bonus, and Shoot Again are here:
http://ipdb.org/show...c...4662&zoom=1
http://ipdb.org/show...c...4659&zoom=1

Of course there is more text on the playfield - the credits at the bottom, copyright notice, complete JEDI to ignite your light saber, Collect Bonus, the Jedi Emblems, Fire Lasers, Every Journey has a beginning, Skill Shot... I think if it has all that text 'legible' and looking similar to those pictures then I'll be happy.

[destruk]

Roger, Roger...

[studmuff]

Roger, Roger...

That looks awesome!

[Grizz]

if u send me the images..i would just redraw each font exact ?

Sabbat - look at the first post of this thread for a video of what the playfield looks like now - As for the fonts, Duncan Brown said they were all custom designed fonts by Williams employees, so there isn't a 'match online' anywhere. I went through over 30,000 fonts here as well and didn't find a single one that matches every glyph they used. I did create my own replacement fonts from the pictures and screenshots and videos I have that are a good substitute, but even with those I didn't duplicate the spacing and sizing to match what the playfield has. You notice a few things are different - there isn't as much text on the playfield as there is in the display of course.
THIS IS SO WIZARD appears to be fixed spacing at the top of the playfield except the I isn't.
JAR JAR near the bumpers is a unique font?
MULTIBALL is curved and inverted compared to "TO LITE EXTRA BALL"
BUILD C-3PO -- and Watto's Junk Shop/Mos Espa Market appear to be two unique fonts
JEDI is not an exact match to the Episode 1 font custom created by Boba Fonts online - he tried but you notice his fonts are sloppy with at least 3 characters wrong, and I didn't use it.

Those are the ones you can easily see on the PF pic from IPDB, but there are a few more - EXTRA BALL on the R2-D2 lane, "The power of The Force" flashers, 2X/3X/4X/5X Naboo Bonus, and Shoot Again are here:
http://ipdb.org/show...c...4662&zoom=1
http://ipdb.org/show...c...4659&zoom=1

Of course there is more text on the playfield - the credits at the bottom, copyright notice, complete JEDI to ignite your light saber, Collect Bonus, the Jedi Emblems, Fire Lasers, Every Journey has a beginning, Skill Shot... I think if it has all that text 'legible' and looking similar to those pictures then I'll be happy.

Edited by Grizz, 30 July 2010 - 01:24 PM.

[TAB]

Thanx for helping
Getting next new pics. Must see how VP it rendering it.

[TAB]

Have got no new pics from the owner.
But try at once working on it. There are holidays and he is a good guy

[gStAv]

Any news of this cool project?

[destruk]

Officially, I received a total of $30 for my 'donation drive' - everything else sent was a thanks for all you have ever done for the VP/VPM and FP community, and that was from 2 people. I'm simply stating this because Wayne Gillard sent me an email about it. So this project has been on hold while I talk it out with WMS Legal. If anyone has any questions about my financial mega-profits from this project, I can send a screenshot of my paypal account from Jun 22nd to today, lol... I'll probably need to submit that to WMS too.

[Captain Flemme]

Officially, I received a total of $30 for my 'donation drive' - everything else sent was a thanks for all you have ever done for the VP/VPM and FP community, and that was from 2 people. I'm simply stating this because Wayne Gillard sent me an email about it. So this project has been on hold while I talk it out with WMS Legal. If anyone has any questions about my financial mega-profits from this project, I can send a screenshot of my paypal account from Jun 22nd to today, lol... I'll probably need to submit that to WMS too.

hello destruk

I'm really sorry for you, i understand you because i am almost in the same situation. but i'm in sick days for 2 years now. i have a little more luck because i live in france and we have a good health care here.

i watch your project and it's really impressive. i hope you'll have more help.

i'm coding engineer, if you want help i have a lot of time.

but for money i'm really just.

i love your work and i'm with you if it help

Captain Flemme

[Joe]

Officially, I received a total of $30 for my 'donation drive' - everything else sent was a thanks for all you have ever done for the VP/VPM and FP community, and that was from 2 people. I'm simply stating this because Wayne Gillard sent me an email about it. So this project has been on hold while I talk it out with WMS Legal. If anyone has any questions about my financial mega-profits from this project, I can send a screenshot of my paypal account from Jun 22nd to today, lol... I'll probably need to submit that to WMS too.

so why do they even make a deal about that but not about the rest of pinmame / vp?

[kruge99]

Officially, I received a total of $30 for my 'donation drive' - everything else sent was a thanks for all you have ever done for the VP/VPM and FP community, and that was from 2 people. I'm simply stating this because Wayne Gillard sent me an email about it. So this project has been on hold while I talk it out with WMS Legal. If anyone has any questions about my financial mega-profits from this project, I can send a screenshot of my paypal account from Jun 22nd to today, lol... I'll probably need to submit that to WMS too.

Pinball 2000 is almost 11 years old... I doubt they have "new in box" inventory in Williams warehouse that is not selling due to your WIP... I can't believe this is happening. /facepalm

[Sabbat]

i'm hoping this blows over and we'll beable to play Episode 1 sooner then later!

[destruk]

so why do they even make a deal about that but not about the rest of pinmame / vp?

Probably because of NuCore is all I can gather. But since my little table doesn't use any code from NuCore, I don't think they'll be able to do very much. Besides, NuCore needs an actual Pinball 2000 playfield to do anything with. I'm with Sabbat Moon - I'm just finding other things to do to give them more time to decide what they're doing, if anything.

[Firebat138]

Wow... again, the more I read the forum.. Well... the less work i get donw... lol and the more I see how much work you guys put into this... staggering and totally awesome... Cant wait to see this little puppy once everything is settled... Especially on my PinWars cab, renamed to Spaceballs...Thanx Dazz.. See below for the artwork in my sig... well... more to read...

[mmmm]

TAB and I have been working on this table for about a year and a half now. We have all the sound samples the machine uses, and I've been playing it a lot and studying the rulesheet and taking videos and pictures.
Some of you may have seen a demo AVI I uploaded a month ago - that one used a single animated gif file for the display. The GIF file was over 100MB for about 4 minutes of attract mode.
That demo was simply a proof of concept using vpdisco - nothing more.
Then I went through and started breaking down the frame data into single frames, and scripting it in VP, with the game attract mode.
The second 'proof of concept' demo had gotten the GIF file down to 12MB - which is more manageable, but not optimal.
I have refined the process, and gotten 3 minutes of attract mode down to 3MB of image data.

http://vpforums.org/destruk/ep1.avi

The more I work on this the more I am convinced it can be made in VP, with the only limitation being that the display itself won't be semi-transparent like the real machine, and the timing would be within 95% of the real machine. The AVI link above shows the current state of the game - the scores are able to be modified on the fly, the high score initials, grand champ, etc are all using custom fonts I worked on for this very purpose. The text is animated through visual pinball script to accommodate actual game stats and scoring.
It uses 3 timers, 123 GIF images (so far), and 1830 lines of script to do this. I'm sure I can condense and optimize the script if it becomes necessary - that is the least of my worries.

My main concern at this point is completing this project - this 10 year old machine that you haven't been able to play on your computer. Once this one is done, I would be happy to work on Revenge from Mars too. I chose to do this one first as it isn't as complex as Revenge from Mars as far as the rules go.
TAB is still working on graphics for this one, and I must give a shout out to ProgramIT for making vpdisco in 2002 - wherever you are, thanks man!

What I need to make this a reality is funding of some type. My unemployment benefits have now run out with all extensions since I've been unemployed for a year. My days will be filled with me applying for minimum wage jobs now - didn't make sense to apply for those when unemployment paid more - so I was hoping to get a good job - but now when it comes down to the wire I'll take anything I can get no matter how little it pays - $4/hr, $5/hr, I can't be picky anymore. I'll be working or looking for work all day every day from now on. And my time to actually get serious work done on this game will be pushed back to nights or any free time I can't be looking for a job or sleeping. If I lose my home, then TAB has instructions to release the latest file I sent him to the community, but I'd rather hope that can be avoided. I know how the machine works, I know how it plays, I know how to get it done with vpDisco, I have the experience and the will to see it through to completion. I require $2000/month to keep the bills paid and food on the table, so I guess I'm offering my services on this while I still send out resumes. I can guarantee that I would be working on these two pinball 2000 games to the best of my ability and nothing else (except sending applications to employers of course). This project requires time, which I have in extremely short supply.

If you want to help - my paypal is destruk @ gmail.com - if not, that's fine too. I don't think I need graphics help or capture help or coding help for this. As for how, I have a separate hard drive with linux installed and I have to reboot to capture video and make notes - takes about a half hour to swap systems from windows to Linux or Linux to windows, and virtual pc's/vmware/cygwin just can't do the job like an actual Linux system does. Please help TAB and I get this game done for you to play.

hello destruk

Looks very interesting
At what point do you?
And when this project will be finished?
any way nice job

[destruk]

hello destruk

Looks very interesting
At what point do you?
And when this project will be finished?
any way nice job

I don't know when it will be finished.

[mmmm]

hello destruk

Looks very interesting
At what point do you?
And when this project will be finished?
any way nice job

I don't know when it will be finished.

Hello
Are you still continuing this project?