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#121 moondrummer78

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:38 PM

QUOTE (chas @ Mar 27 2012, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why not just download the FS version in the first place?>>>>>>>>>>

yeah, thats what i do.


When you play a FS table, before messing with any settings, does it fill your entire screen like a real pinball playfield? If not, there's something wrong in your setup. Also, these FS tables are designed to be played on a 16x9 monitor, layed roughly flat inside a pincab. If your monitor is 16x10 that would cause some strecthing on the image and make things look a bit weird. What are the native pixel dimensions of your monitor?

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:34 PM

QUOTE (chas @ Mar 27 2012, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why not just download the FS version in the first place?>>>>>>>>>>

yeah, thats what i do.


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No one knows why you have to change ANYTHING.

When you download the table in post #1, does it look like the screenshot in post #1???????

If the answer is 'yes', then go away and enjoy the table please.

If the answer is 'no', then figure out a way to post a screenshot so that we can help you.





 


#123 unclewilly

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 11:13 PM

I think what chase is saying is that he got the ball stuck on one of the roller switches. Not sure how the rotation flipper conversation started. I think the whole ball getting stuck is a physics issue i saw in other threads like the cftbl alpha mod thread. It worked fine for some but not for others.
I also saw a thread about physics being different on different os 's.
Also with wall and ramp points not being smooth.

I think what it boils down to is that obviously this doesn't happen for all people or someone would have posted about it. It doesn't happen for me and it obviously doesn't happen for rawd .

This is the thing with vp and table authors. You can't really ask us to fix an issue which we can't reproduce.
Like the pi issue some people have with big bang bar. There is no way i can address the issue because i can't make it happen on any of my pc's

But if you make changes to the table that fix your issue don't expect an author to apply your changes to the table as he obviously isn't having the problem

now for the flipper being to small. No matter how you play, fs, 4:3, ws: the entire table is scaled so the flipper always remain the same size, and being rawd This has a triple strike in his house imm fairly certain the are extremely close to actual size

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 02:26 AM

well one thing we can all agree on is Rawd stinks tongue.gif

This table is awesome i cant see any issues with it at all, I dunno Rawd maybe chas found your Jar

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#125 chas

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 07:17 PM

Rawd, all i was asking is why did the ball get stuck in the inner lane triggers after making changes to the flippers and rails?
somehow this dragged into something else.

>>>>>>>>>>>When you play a FS table, before messing with any settings, does it fill your entire screen like a real pinball playfield? If not, there's something wrong in your setup. >>>>>>>>>>>
yes the screen is filled.
>>>>>>>>Also, these FS tables are designed to be played on a 16x9 monitor, layed roughly flat inside a pincab. If your monitor is 16x10 that would cause some strecthing on the image and make things look a bit weird. What are the native pixel dimensions of your monitor? >>>>>>>
i have the 912 physics on 16/9
both desktop options display and the 912 resolution matched on 1380x780x32 resolution.
see post 88 paragraph 1 for my settings.

i dunno why i am getting small compressed flippers in FS in 912.
did you see anything wrong with my 912 desktop exe settings in post 88 para 1???

Edited by chas, 28 March 2012 - 07:53 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2012 - 08:12 PM

QUOTE (chas @ Mar 28 2012, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i have the 912 physics on 16/9
both desktop options display and the 912 resolution matched on 1380x780x32 resolution.
see post 88 paragraph 1 for my settings.

i dunno why i am getting small compressed flippers in FS in 912.
did you see anything wrong with my 912 desktop exe settings in post 88 para 1???


Part of your problem may be that 1380x780 is not 16x9. 1380x776 would be 16x9. 1380x863 would be 16x10. So you are somewhere in between. Again, these tables are designed for 16x9, so that little bit of pixel stretching could be causing issues for you.

#127 chas

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:03 PM

QUOTE (chas @ Mar 26 2012, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
ok i read all the post from 107-111.
all i am saying is and from past threads discussing better physics, small flippers dont perform well.
after looking at the vertical then the FS the vertical fllippers are fine.
when the table gets rotated for FS on a WS monitor the flippers get compressed.

>>>>>blur,.....chas this is the real picture of this table
if you don't modify it it will look like this, and it will work great
no need to rotate or strech anything<<<
those are the flippers out of the FS DL.
if you like small flippers ok.
they are too small.
>>>>you say you americans
you have american flag also, what are you chinese? mexican?>>>>
not sure what you mean.
what i meant was the rich and powerful have always run the show.
now powerful companies, corporations and the super rich run the show.
i read some history.
my grandfather was 93 born in 1912.
he loved to tell me what it was like then.
i always sat and listened.
in the 1880s industrial revolution the US made everything.
people were immigrating here from all over the world to live the american way of life.
in the early 1900s inflation was very low.
wages was 10/15cents or $4-5per/week.
a loaf of bread was 1cent, gas was 3cents, rent was $10p/month, you go out to eat for 8-12 cents..
Henry Ford had the assembly line for $5p/week.
a new model T was $700.00
that was alot of money when you make $20p/month on MWage.
by the late 60s and ealy 70s wages was about $1.25p/hr $40-60p/week.
there was some inflation over 60yrs from the early 1900s.
gas was 19-29cents, a new car could be had for about $2500-$3500.
an average suburb house in a nice area could be had for about $20,000.
that was alot of money.
my aunt had a new 65chevy impala SS 283 with all the fancy chrome bumpers and SS wheel caps.
it was $3500.
that was a lot of money in the mid to late 60s..


there were 2 big wage increases here in the US in the 70s.
in about 1972 there was a big wage increase.
wages was now $2.25.
wages went up $1 dollar over night when it took 60yrs to go from 10/15cents to $1.25p/hr
there was another wage increase in the late 70s.
wages was now $2.90p/hr.
outsourcing was nothing new even in the 70s.
pruducts and electronics were no longer "made in the USA" or Japan.
products were now made in Tiawan(ROC) and other foreign countries where the labor is cheap.
i remember in the early 80s big business was starting tell the american people to dont vote for the wage increase.
they told the american people waaaay back.
they knew it would create problems.
higher costs of operations and inflation was just the beginning.
the american people did not seem understand economics and business.
they kept making the same bad financual decisions through decades creating more and more inflation.
the american people are very much at fault for this mess.
you were told.
the rich bosses took businees on down the road.
all the wage increase and union strikes did was create more and more and more inflation through the decades.
the only thing that has changed is inflation.
the american people voted and got what they wanted.
now they are crying that jobs are gone and hyper-inflation.

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my original post was why did the ball get stuck in the inner flipper lane at the trigger after scaling up the flippers and making changes to the rails?
are my 912 settings correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
i was surfing youtube.com
here is what i am talking about.
big business told you waaaaay back to not vote for the wage increases.
they knew it would create problems like higher costs of operations and inflation.
you are making more dollars but everything got hyper-inflated because of rising wages, rising costs of materials like iron etc....and the rising cost of doing business.
you kept voting for the increases through the decades creating more and more inflation..
this is a video of a 1978 corvette pace car found in a barn in perfect condition with the original sticker in the window of $14.6K new.
look for slot 0.58 to 1 minute for the sticker on the window.
http://www.youtube.c...;feature=relmfu

Edited by chas, 28 March 2012 - 11:20 PM.


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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:07 AM

Chas.. I will answer both of your questions, if you will answer mine please...

Here is your question #1:

"ok B, before i do a sceen shot here is my desktop exec 912 settings.
FS mode not windows, 1368x768x32, 16:9, dont stretch ball, alll boxes checked under check ball status, hdrchecked, unlimited, alphaslide on minimum for best performance."

Answer: Yes, those settings are correct (your choice to stretch ball)



Here is your question #2:

"Rawd, all i was asking is why did the ball get stuck in the inner lane triggers after making changes to the flippers and rails?"

Answer: I have no idea, because I don't know the exact coordinates of your rail changes.




Here is my question:

"Does your table look like the screenshot in post #1?"

Answer: ??? (Yes or no)

Edited by Rawd, 29 March 2012 - 02:38 AM.


 


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Posted 29 March 2012 - 08:10 AM

Here is my question:

"Does your table look like the screenshot in post #1?"

Answer: ??? (Yes or no)>>>>>>>>>>>>
sorry if the question was asked and not answered.
yes, im 99% sure.
i think that is why i chose to mod them or scale them up a little.
other than the small flippers in FS the table is fine.
the only explanation i can come up with is when the table gets rotated to FS on a long wide body the flippers get compressed because of the long narrow wide body.
looks like a lot of things might change but its the flippers that i noticed.
im pretty sure i closed the FS and started up the vertical to check the flipper physics.
they were the same but the FS flippers were smaller or compressed.

>>>>Here is your question #2:

"Rawd, all i was asking is why did the ball get stuck in the inner lane triggers after making changes to the flippers and rails?"

Answer: I have no idea, because I don't know the exact coordinates of your rail changes.<<<<
its very interesting.
the ball will come down the inner lane, pass thtough the trigger then backup a little then get stuck like magnet.
sometimes nudging helped to get it out but then it tilted.

now some of you say nobody else has said anything.
there are 55,000+ registered members.
maybe 100 participate in the forum.
we need to hear from the other 54,900.
unfortunatley they choose not to participate with feedback.
alot of people are afraid of the internet.

Edited by chas, 29 March 2012 - 08:33 AM.


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Posted 29 March 2012 - 08:29 AM

One day when i wake up and go to work and come to this forum I will not find Triple Strike FS topic on top of unread posts, and i will miss it.

But that will not happen so soon so i don't worry abut that.

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Edited by blur, 29 March 2012 - 08:30 AM.


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Posted 29 March 2012 - 10:00 AM

Here is how you fix it. You stop voting for wage increases and the inlane rails will slim down allowing for the inflation of the rollover to be reduced and the fat flippers (big business) can get fatter and bigger again. The ball of life can stop bouncing up and down and continue to flow. Now this makes sense! Yeah Rawd, what the hell were you thinking? Mod the damn table so we can all get back to normal for crying out loud! dry.gif

I hate when someone makes a table and it screws with my life. This whole economic mess is your fault Rawd! facepalm.gif

Edited by rascal, 29 March 2012 - 10:06 AM.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 10:08 AM

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:56 AM

QUOTE (chas @ Mar 29 2012, 02:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here is my question:

"Does your table look like the screenshot in post #1?"

Answer: ??? (Yes or no)>>>>>>>>>>>>

yes, im 99% sure.


Can a mod please close this thread?

Edited by Rawd, 29 March 2012 - 12:02 PM.


 


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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:20 PM

noooooo smile.gif

i'm not even sure chas knows what screenshot you meant - post number #1? what number is that, 17 maybe, or 417, it looks like 17 with an error smile.gif
he probably thought about bob's screenshot with reduced flippers, otherwise rest of the sentence doesn't make sense



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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:51 PM

I suggest we add another category to the VP Cabinet section. We would have FS, Spanned & CHASed. smile.gif

All kidding aside, I think I figured out what chas is talking about. On the desktop tables, your view is usually from right behind the flippers so they take up a larger portion of the screen as opposed to FS where you are looking at the table from above.

So while relative to the table the flippers are the same size but relative to the viewer FS tables have smaller flippers.

Sanity has been restored and I can now sleep at night.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 03:06 PM

This thread still going? Stop feeding the troll.
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Posted 30 March 2012 - 01:20 AM

I think this is what Chas is trying to say.

MAMA ECONOMY - TAY ZONDAY

Just want to say that I love Triple Strike.

Chas.

Maybe you could upload the table file, I'll check and see if the ball gets stuck on my machine. If i can I'll try and see what's happening, and i'll see if I can maybe assist with the communication of what is happening.

However, if you won't provide the details asked, you should just say you don't want to give the info asked for and deal with the table stock, i've put a lot of playtime in this and even use 16:10 and the flippers are as they should be. This is a tough table and fast drains are very common.

If you can't provide what the table author or other members who are trying to assist you with and they can't recreate the issue, they can't help you. This has nothing to do with the economy (as much as i like to complain about an elite class shafting the rest of us and all that Alex Jones type stuff). This site provides free (open source no less) software, free tables (or cheap unlimited tables per day) simply because the authors, staff and the rest of the community supporting the site have a common passion and want to share. Help them help you if you are going to ask for it but don't intentionally waste their time.

Anyway, i think the song is funny and I only found it a couple days ago and thought it was strikingly relevant. And yes it's the chocolate rain guy.

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Posted 30 March 2012 - 03:33 PM

great idea superballs, chas upload your edited table so that we can see what you did


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Posted 02 April 2012 - 07:36 AM

If you can't provide what the table author or other members who are trying to assist you with and they can't recreate the issue, they can't help you. This has nothing to do with the economy (as much as i like to complain about an elite class shafting the rest of us and all that Alex Jones type stuff). >>>

rawd was poking me.
i used the economy as an example.
its all your fault Rawd.

great idea superballs, chas upload your edited table so that we can see what you did>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

i just want to know why am i the only one getting small flippers on FS when my 912 settings are correct and everybody else did not mod anything.

could it be i am using a long wide body that is more true to real table.
ive seen some of your sceeny setups.
it looks like the monitor is not a WS longbody.

as for upload the table, just make the changes.
if you want type a _1 after your table then extract a new copy.
on the new copy change the flippers length 130-135.
use the arrows under right shift to create a fair gap and move them down.
then use the control points to align the flipper rails straight to the flipper.
start angle 120/240 and end angle 65/295.
make sure have an even space gap on the inner and outer lanes.
i used grid on 10 and spacing of 8 lines or 8spaces.
to move the slings left click and hight light the entire L/R sling.
right click to unlock.
use the arrows to move the entire sling.
start it up.
the ball will get stuck at the inner lane roller triggers.

Edited by chas, 02 April 2012 - 07:46 AM.


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Posted 02 April 2012 - 12:08 PM

QUOTE (chas @ Apr 2 2012, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
as for upload the table, just make the changes.


No.

If you want help, upload the table or a screenshot. Otherwise, [profanity removed] off.