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#101 chas

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:12 PM

jimmy.......You've got to be taking the piss out of us Bob Right? That screen shot is a joke? There's just no way that could be occurring nor not hearing of something that ridiculous until now. Common and fess up, you're stirring the shite aren't you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
did you or have DLd the file and do you get the same results with the flippers as in the screen shot?
i posted my 912 desktop settings.
nobody replied back.
so i guess the 912 settings are correct.

blur.........you have instructions for printscreen in my previous post
how do you copy to flash drive - just like any other disk - flash drive is just another letter in windows explorer<<<<<<<
ok, b, heres the problem.
i spent about 30minutes on this.
sure i could copy to the flash drive but it will copy the data also.
i just want "print screen" and give you the screen shot without the data.
i went into help and support.
typed print screen.

the instructions were to;
go to the document.
press ALT+printscreen.
then went into the flashdrive window and go into edit submenu and copy.
tried right click/copy.
in this case i tried ALT+printscreen with desktop, pb files in cdrive, and the 912 desktop exec then tried to copy to the flashdrive.
could not get it to work or copy the sreenshot only to the flash drive.
if i copy the screenshot with data i will probably need to upload.
it might not work as a sent posted reply message.
i hope i was clear

Edited by chas, 26 March 2012 - 06:17 PM.


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 06:28 PM

This is the funniest thread in a very long time smile.gif

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:00 PM

i find it no more funny than listening to the american people blaming everybody but themselves for big business leaving and no jobs.
the people dont seem to understand that the rich and powerful run the show and basic economics 101.
big business told the american people waaaaaaay back to do not vote for the wage increases.
rising wages and the rising cost of doing business creates inflation.
the people and unions kept voting and striking for the wage increases.
all it did was create more and more inflation through the decades.
the unions were making much better money and xllnt benefits doing much better than the main stream and still crying for more money.
all it did was create more and more inflation.
through the decades people got priced out of the market and could not afford to buy anymore.
business left and now there are no jobs with hyper-inflation from all the bad financial decisions.
big business and the powerful told you.
so whos fault is that?
the same mistakes and bad greedy decisions keep getting repeated.
nothing has been learned from history.
this is what i find very funny.

Edited by chas, 26 March 2012 - 07:14 PM.


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:20 PM

Chas. The screenshot that Bob posted was a joke.

This thread is getting ridiculous. The table works as is. If you think the flippers shrink in FS, then just delete the table and move on. Without a screenshot, there is nothing anyone can do to help you.


 


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 07:31 PM

QUOTE (chas @ Mar 26 2012, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i find it no more funny than listening to the american people blaming everybody but themselves for big business leaving and no jobs.
the people dont seem to understand that the rich and powerful run the show and basic economics 101.
big business told the american people waaaaaaay back to do not vote for the wage increases.
rising wages and the rising cost of doing business creates inflation.
the people and unions kept voting and striking for the wage increases.
all it did was create more and more inflation through the decades.
the unions were making much better money and xllnt benefits doing much better than the main stream and still crying for more money.
all it did was create more and more inflation.
through the decades people got priced out of the market and could not afford to buy anymore.
business left and now there are no jobs with hyper-inflation from all the bad financial decisions.
big business and the powerful told you.
so whos fault is that?
the same mistakes and bad greedy decisions keep getting repeated.
nothing has been learned from history.
this is what i find very funny.



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#106 chas

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 08:32 PM

Political post. Reported. >>>>>>>>

gimme a break TA.
the people are very much to blame for this.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chas. The screenshot that Bob posted was a joke.

This thread is getting ridiculous. The table works as is. If you think the flippers shrink in FS, then just delete the table and move on. Without a screenshot, there is nothing anyone can do to help you. >>>>>>>>>>>
bobs post is correct.
the flippers screeny are very small.
no one replied back to answer my question if my 912 settings are correct in post 88 para 1.
i cant get you a screeny.
i find it a little hard to believe im the only one.

Edited by chas, 26 March 2012 - 08:34 PM.


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:24 PM

Look at the screenshot in post #1. Do your flippers look the same?


 


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:28 PM

chas this is the real picture of this table
if you don't modify it it will look like this, and it will work great
no need to rotate or strech anything


you say you americans
you have american flag also, what are you chinese? mexican?

Edited by blur, 26 March 2012 - 09:29 PM.


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Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:33 PM

I can see why he doesn't like those flippers. smile.gif

They do look really bad.

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 09:57 PM

Why don't you just use the B2S version! Looks like the flippers were up-dated in this release!

http://www.vpforums....u...l&f_id=5798

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#111 rosve

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 10:04 PM

QUOTE (ICPjuggla @ Mar 26 2012, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why don't you just use the B2S version! Looks like the flippers were up-dated in this release!

http://www.vpforums....u...l&f_id=5798


The flippers are exactly the same in the B2S as in Rawds standard FS table. The only difference is the layback view.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 06:46 AM

ok i read all the post from 107-111.
all i am saying is and from past threads discussing better physics, small flippers dont perform well.
after looking at the vertical then the FS the vertical fllippers are fine.
when the table gets rotated for FS on a WS monitor the flippers get compressed.

>>>>>blur,.....chas this is the real picture of this table
if you don't modify it it will look like this, and it will work great
no need to rotate or strech anything<<<
those are the flippers out of the FS DL.
if you like small flippers ok.
they are too small.
>>>>you say you americans
you have american flag also, what are you chinese? mexican?>>>>
not sure what you mean.
what i meant was the rich and powerful have always run the show.
now powerful companies, corporations and the super rich run the show.
i read some history.
my grandfather was 93 born in 1912.
he loved to tell me what it was like then.
i always sat and listened.
in the 1880s industrial revolution the US made everything.
people were immigrating here from all over the world to live the american way of life.
in the early 1900s inflation was very low.
wages was 10/15cents or $4-5per/week.
a loaf of bread was 1cent, gas was 3cents, rent was $10p/month, you go out to eat for 8-12 cents..
Henry Ford had the assembly line for $5p/week.
a new model T was $700.00
that was alot of money when you make $20p/month on MWage.
by the late 60s and ealy 70s wages was about $1.25p/hr $40-60p/week.
there was some inflation over 60yrs from the early 1900s.
gas was 19-29cents, a new car could be had for about $2500-$3500.
an average suburb house in a nice area could be had for about $20,000.
that was alot of money.
my aunt had a new 65chevy impala SS 283 with all the fancy chrome bumpers and SS wheel caps.
it was $3500.
that was a lot of money in the mid to late 60s..


there were 2 big wage increases here in the US in the 70s.
in about 1972 there was a big wage increase.
wages was now $2.25.
wages went up $1 dollar over night when it took 60yrs to go from 10/15cents to $1.25p/hr
there was another wage increase in the late 70s.
wages was now $2.90p/hr.
outsourcing was nothing new even in the 70s.
pruducts and electronics were no longer "made in the USA" or Japan.
products were now made in Tiawan(ROC) and other foreign countries where the labor is cheap.
i remember in the early 80s big business was starting tell the american people to dont vote for the wage increase.
they told the american people waaaay back.
they knew it would create problems.
higher costs of operations and inflation was just the beginning.
the american people did not seem understand economics and business.
they kept making the same bad financual decisions through decades creating more and more inflation.
the american people are very much at fault for this mess.
you were told.
the rich bosses took businees on down the road.
all the wage increase and union strikes did was create more and more and more inflation through the decades.
the only thing that has changed is inflation.
the american people voted and got what they wanted.
now they are crying that jobs are gone and hyper-inflation.

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my original post was why did the ball get stuck in the inner flipper lane at the trigger after scaling up the flippers and making changes to the rails?
are my 912 settings correct?

Edited by chas, 27 March 2012 - 06:54 AM.


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Posted 27 March 2012 - 07:52 AM

A comparison between the real table, FS and FS_B2S. Looks like the flippers in the VP FS versions are pretty accurate.



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Posted 27 March 2012 - 12:05 PM

QUOTE (rosve @ Mar 27 2012, 01:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A comparison between the real table, FS and FS_B2S. Looks like the flippers in the VP FS versions are pretty accurate.



Thanks Rosve. smile.gif


 


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Posted 27 March 2012 - 06:05 PM

QUOTE (chas @ Mar 27 2012, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
when the table gets rotated for FS on a WS monitor the flippers get compressed.


I think I see what is happening here. Chas, you are downloading FS tables, which are meant to be played in a virtual pinball cabinet, and you are playing them ROTATED to fit your desktop monitor? If that's the case I would imagine the flippers aren't the only thing getting squished and stretched. If you are playing these tables on a desktop PC and no in a cabinet you shouldn't rotate the table in the editor, you should instead rotate your monitor.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 08:29 PM

I think I see what is happening here. Chas, you are downloading FS tables, which are meant to be played in a virtual pinball cabinet, and you are playing them ROTATED to fit your desktop monitor? If that's the case I would imagine the flippers aren't the only thing getting squished and stretched. If you are playing these tables on a desktop PC and no in a cabinet you shouldn't rotate the table in the editor, you should instead rotate your monitor<<<<<<<<<<<<

play on a 37ws with a wired usb keyboard untill i get around to a cab.
nobody said anything about my 912 settings in post 88 para 1 so i guess thats ok.
im still leaning more towards the idea that after the rotate on a WS monitor the flippers compress into a WS longbody.
its ok.

my original post was:
why did the ball get stuck in the inner flipper lanes at the trigger when i modded the flippers and rails a little?
try modding the flippers and straighten the rails to simulate.
its not hard.
flippers length 130-135, base rad 24, end rad 13, and i think height 40-50.
strength5, speed 0.075-0.08, ob 0.
then us the control points to do the rails.
if you dont want to try to simulate the ball getting stuck in the inner flipper lane at the trigger its ok.

Edited by chas, 27 March 2012 - 08:44 PM.


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Posted 27 March 2012 - 08:41 PM

QUOTE (chas @ Mar 27 2012, 04:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
im still leaning more towards the idea that after the ROTATE on a WS monitor the flippers compress into a WS longbody.


Why are you rotating the table?

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 08:54 PM

Why are you rotating the table?<<<<
im not.
are the tables desigend vertical then rotated for FS?

Edited by chas, 27 March 2012 - 08:55 PM.


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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:01 PM

QUOTE (chas @ Mar 27 2012, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why are you rotating the table?<<<<
im not.
are the tables desigend vertical then rotated for FS?



Why not just download the FS version in the first place?
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:09 PM

Why not just download the FS version in the first place?>>>>>>>>>>

yeah, thats what i do.