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[wiesshund]

I had same trouble with FP but setting an exclusion to the vbs files fixed it with windows Defender

 

fwiw other antivirus packages are going after them as well

and yet none of them come outright and say the VBS itself is bad

I also excluded the game process as it seems to be a combination, perhaps with how the game is executing the vbs files

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PS C:\Windows\system32> Add-MpPreference -ExclusionPath "c:\pinball\FP\Scripts\*.vbs"
PS C:\Windows\system32> Add-MpPreference -ExclusionPath "c:\pinball\VPX\Scripts\*.vbs"
PS C:\Windows\system32> Add-MpPreference -ExclusionProcess "c:\pinball\VPX\VPinballX.exe"
PS C:\Windows\system32> Add-MpPreference -ExclusionProcess "c:\pinball\FP\Future Pinball.exe"

In admin powershell window (you could copy and paste the above and just adjust for your paths/names
If you have several betas, you could wild card the process to "c:\VPX\VPinball*.exe" etc
VpinMAME doesnt use scripts so i have had no issue with it.
For FP, BAM needs no exception as it is not the guy loading the VBS

[toxie]

Just a quick update: We finally got the simulated Votrax/SC01 core running properly! 

It's not perfect yet, but already much much better for most of the time as the old HLE core. So as we tune it up some more, expect much better speech for Gottlieb and Taito for the next build.

[Thalamus]

Sounds great @toxie - thank you so much !

[Pin-Pete]

Awesome! Can't wait.

[Outhere]

Just a quick update: We finally got the simulated Votrax/SC01 core running properly! 

It's not perfect yet, but already much much better for most of the time as the old HLE core. So as we tune it up some more, expect much better speech for Gottlieb and Taito for the next build.

That is good news - Thank you

[toxie]

Next up then: These darn TMS speech chips, for example used in Zaccaria. 

But could also take 2.5 years similar to the Votrax until we find all remaining issues. 

[wiesshund]

Next up then: These darn TMS speech chips, for example used in Zaccaria. 

But could also take 2.5 years similar to the Votrax until we find all remaining issues. 

 

2.5?
Have you checked out present state of Votrax emulation?

On one hand, yes, it does function now, without blowing a gasket.
On the other hand, a quick listen of wizard of wor, or gorf makes one wish that samples loading was still an option

[toxie]

MAME is still different. It uses the same basic sc01 core, yes, but a lot of details around that are different, thus it could sound worse for their emulated games at the moment(!)

(as f.e. we already have much better resampling in place, whereas they are still, almost 1:1, using the same (IMHO) whacky code for that as >15 years ago).

And it took so long (2.5) as there was a bug in the new core that we did not know about and which also did not affect the MAME games (as much), so i always assumed that simply some low level detail/wiring of the core to PinMAME was faulty (as handshaking and timing is very important for ALL cores and can immediately lead to simply no output or weird stuff happening), but i finally revisited it this weekend as i had some more spare time at hand as usual.

[wiesshund]

MAME is still different. It uses the same basic sc01 core, yes, but a lot of details around that are different, thus it could sound worse for their emulated games at the moment(!)

(as f.e. we already have much better resampling in place, whereas they are still, almost 1:1, using the same (IMHO) whacky code for that as >15 years ago).

And it took so long (2.5) as there was a bug in the new core that we did not know about and which also did not affect the MAME games (as much), so i always assumed that simply some low level detail/wiring of the core to PinMAME was faulty (as handshaking and timing is very important for ALL cores and can immediately lead to simply no output or weird stuff happening), but i finally revisited it this weekend as i had some more spare time at hand as usual.

 

Wish i could try your Votrax core in mame.
Theirs has not improved in many years, yet they disabled to use of samples for the machines that use it, and so you get a voice that sounds like sponge bob on a vodka and reefer binge

[toxie]

They now have the ability to switch at least the resampling, so maybe that helps in the near future.

 

Also, wait until you hear the PinMAME emu, maybe you have the same bad opinion about it, after all its also not perfect. 

 

Especially as Votrax is not an easy thing to emulate, and it was a lot of work for the guy who did the new simulation core (plus additional help from others), as he had to work from the "source" of the decapped chip.

Samples can only give you so much, and for example QBert cannot be handled by samples alone.

[wiesshund]

I have a few Votrax chips
One in a WOW assembly and one in a GORF

though they both appear to be the same SC-01

 

The one in Reactor seems to be different though SC-01-A

But i dont have a q-bert

 

IIRC q-bert's problem, sample wise, was randomization
there wasnt any

 

On the other hand, i have no clue what Q-bert is saying anyways
So if you play back something that sounds the correct pitch tone and inflection, i'll believe it, even if wrong  

[toxie]

New build up in the first post, changes since last build:

 

General source:

 Updated LISY support to 5.26-20 (Linux for Gottlieb System1 & System80, Bally, Atari, Williams and 'HOme' Pinballs)

 

Core:
 Fixed some bugs in the TMS9995 emulation concerning port data writes / decrementer / CRU, NSM working now

 Fix init error (for example corrupted first song) for YM2151 (older Williams/Bally and others)
 Slightly improve overall YM2203, YM3526, YM3812, Y8950 emulation (older Alvin G. and others)
 Improve SAA1099 emulation (E.F.O.)
 Switch Votrax/SC01 emulation over to real simulation core (some GTS80(A)s and Taitos)
 Correct handling of Gottlieb System 1 displays (thanks to bontango)

 

New Dumps:

 Bally: Scott's Test ROM (version 8)
 Christian Tabart: Sahara Love, using Gottlieb "Sinbad" ROM, and its own sound board
 NSM: Cosmic Flash
      Games, The

 

Correct Dumps:

 Flash Gordon (Free Play) (using English sound ROMs)

 

Clones:

 Bigfoot R0.1e (FreeWPC based rewrite of White Water)
 Lethal Weapon 2.04 (English), also 3.00, 3.01 (unofficial MODs)
 Nitro Groundshaker (7-digit conversion with siren patch)
 World Cup Soccer 0.62b (FreeWPC based rewrite)

 

 

Homework: 

PLEASE TEST, and let me know if there is now missing/more-weird-than-before speech:

 

Gottlieb:

 

Mars God of War

Volcano

Black Hole

Devil's Dare

Rocky

Striker

Q*Bert's Quest

Caveman

 

Taito:

 

Cavaleiro Negro

Fire Action (Deluxe)

Gork

Hawkman

Lady Luck

Titan

Vegas

Edited by toxie, 02 November 2020 - 08:53 PM.

[wiesshund]

forgive dumb question Toxie but, does this incorporate also things from latest SAMbuild
or should i try this but keep the other one as well, and just swap folder names back and forth?

[Thalamus]

According to rev number of latest SAMBuild, they are the same. So, that means, keep SAMBuild for color - or don't.

[wiesshund]

well, seeing as i only got one non OEM color rom to actually work, AFM113b
And it is not patched, but using an external pal and vni file

And i was less than thrilled with the end results, ersatzfarben nicht zu gut

Yea, in ya go toxieversion

 

@Toxie, this does not by any chance support the Stern Deadpool ROM?
 

Edited by wiesshund, 03 November 2020 - 04:31 AM.

[toxie]

Deadpool is not emulated yet, no support for SPIKE..

[wiesshund]

Deadpool is not emulated yet, no support for SPIKE..

 

Well then...

 

 

 

...Maximum effort


 

[Mrtr32]

Hi toxie,

Thankyou for all the fix you have done!

Black Hole have weird distortion with this new build

I’m using vpinmame 32 bits.

Rolling back to previous version for the moment.

[Mrtr32]

I forgot to mention,

 

I´m using blkhole7 rom for the Black Hole Table and VPX 6.1

[Thalamus]

Tried Mars God of War and Blackhole. Verdict is that I'm happy with the new one, but, I also hear some garbled sound in the end of game for Blackhole. No issues hearing the speech which in my imagination at least has become better. Clearly hearing Re-entry has failed, ball drains and then we have this garbled sound. Will try more games later on.