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#81 Headlesshobbs

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 11:36 AM

Hey Steve, I was going through all the drama concerning the FP forum closure and I have a few questions which I'm hoping you can answer.

1. Knowing the deal linked with Hyperpin and what I've read up on FP-Nanotech, does this look like Chris may be considering FP and all future releases for market only? This is one vibe I've been getting and it's not something I'm really looking forward to.

2. All of the links to your work at gopinball.com are giving the 404 so nothing can be accessed. Did the site close perminantly and if so, what exactly do you plan with your games regarding this?

Edited by Headlesshobbs, 28 December 2009 - 11:46 AM.


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Posted 28 December 2009 - 12:20 PM

Funny to see everybody expressing the same thoughts i wrote a while ago, without anybody backing me up.
Anyway, things went as expected when people does'nt worship their goods.

I'm still not sure wether i'm going to do more tabels in FP or not, the future will decide.

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#83 Steve Paradis

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 01:47 PM

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1. Knowing the deal linked with Hyperpin and what I've read up on FP-Nanotech, does this look like Chris may be considering FP and all future releases for market only? This is one vibe I've been getting and it's not something I'm really looking forward to.


I don't know about Chris future plan, really so I won't speculate. The only thing I could say is that he approach me and a couple of other table author to make some table for a commercial package. I personaly didn't accept because he wanted to have full exclusivity and for that matters, nobody could have ever been able to play any of my table released to him without paying for them. But also, what was bugging me was that cabinet support (arcadeRender) would not have been present in this release. 4:3 playability only.

David Foley on the other hand was a little more easy going on the topic and had no problem about the fact that my tables could be part of His package for Multipin AND released for free to the community as well, So I went with him.


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2. All of the links to your work at gopinball.com are giving the 404 so nothing can be accessed. Did the site close perminantly and if so, what exactly do you plan with your games regarding this?



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Funny to see everybody expressing the same thoughts i wrote a while ago, without anybody backing me up. Anyway, things went as expected when people does'nt worship their goods.



Timing is everything Light66. There is nothing to be Bitter About. We all recognise you talent and I personnaly wish you make some more projects. Should be something you give a thought about for 2010 smile.gif



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Posted 28 December 2009 - 02:19 PM

From the sound of it it seems Dave was a good decision as you get to keep things under control at the very least. I didn't expect to hear Chris wanting to hoard up tables like that as it makes me think the guy has grown to some all-new level of arrogance. Do you know if he might have gotten to any of the other authors cause I know aside from BlindMankind, I would hate if he got to at least one of them like this.

Also great that site you mention is being used for the file hosting. I remember it from the board awhile back when it was first posted and has grown into quite the database.

Light66: I know you came up with that before and got ignored pretty much. It all comes down to the case of "SEE? I TOLD YA SO!" so we know how that role goes. I didn't know what to think at the time so I just pretty much kept my mouth shut for my own safety.

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#85 Steve Paradis

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 02:27 PM

the other Authors are free to speak for themselve, but the last discussion I had about it, was more leaning toward : "hey do you have any news about that..?"
so I think the project is under revision.

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 03:16 PM

QUOTE (Gravy @ Dec 27 2009, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (cogvos @ Dec 28 2009, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Personally I hope that this is just a glitch in the forums, it has happened before, and that they will be up and running again soon. If not then well it was nice while it lasted. Fp is closed software, and as far as I can tell the guts have been created by a very clever one man team - if I have got this wrong then appols to those who were involved. Anyone who has designed a table will know that this takes a lot of time, so I can only guess how much time building the engine took.

If this is the end of Fp development, and I sincerely hope that it is not, then perhaps those out there who would like to have a 3d pinball emulator might like to consider putting an open project together. There have been attempts to do so in the past on Linux (Linball and Emilia being the two examples I have managed to find, though neither appear active projects) and there are many very successful open projects out there (Gimp, Scribus, Inkscape etc).

You would need some very good coders, and pinball is rather specialised, but there are folks out there who like this kind of challenge. I have no idea how you would start but looking at ODE (the open dynamics engine) is a thought.

In the meantime. Good luck, hello and lets play pinball.


Its important to remember that FP was developed by more than just a one man team even although many people probably see it that way. Don't forget to give a huge thankyou to Lio for all those models otherwise we would just be looking at a blank playfield (as well as Steve for his unofficial models). Im sure the developers of Newton Physics engine also helped out along the way as well. Black's efforts were obviously huge but we have others to thank as well as him, not to mention the table creators who put in such a fantastic effort.


Hi Gravy,

Many thanks for the history heads up - I had no idea that Lio was responsible for all the models. Equally I did not know the situation behind Newton's involvement. I came very late to FP, long after it's inception and although I'd love to build a small cabinet such things take time and money (I lack both). I have the greatest of respect for anyone who can do stuff I cannot be they developer, model builder (and having tried to do this I know it's hard to learn), table designer, musician , artist, sculpture... well you get the idea.. Steve's new models added a new dimension to FP and I never really got the chance to see what they could do, oh well.

I came to pinball 'cos I was useless at all the video games in the arcades and never won on the slots (ever!). Decades ago there was a 2d construction kit on the BBC micro (might have been available on others) and it has taken a loooong time for the technology to be able to give us anything like the experience of playing a real table. So it's a shame we appear to be in this difficult situation.

At present I am waiting and hoping things will be resolved. Someone mentioned that a pinball editor/ engine would take a lot of work. Yes it would, and I hope that such work will not be necessary. Equally reverse engineering is a big no. It would not be right or proper, legal etc. If there comes a need(? - probably wrong word) for a new system then an open development team (or similar) might be a way forward.

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 04:59 PM

QUOTE (Headlesshobbs @ Dec 28 2009, 07:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. Knowing the deal linked with Hyperpin and what I've read up on FP-Nanotech, does this look like Chris may be considering FP and all future releases for market only? This is one vibe I've been getting and it's not something I'm really looking forward to.


what deal are u talking about in regards to hyperpin? Hyperpin is freeware.
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Posted 28 December 2009 - 05:15 PM

QUOTE (billlpa @ Dec 28 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Headlesshobbs @ Dec 28 2009, 07:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. Knowing the deal linked with Hyperpin and what I've read up on FP-Nanotech, does this look like Chris may be considering FP and all future releases for market only? This is one vibe I've been getting and it's not something I'm really looking forward to.


what deal are u talking about in regards to hyperpin? Hyperpin is freeware.
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The guy is just confusing 2 words : HyperWare and Multipin.
Don't fuss about it wink.gif

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 05:26 PM

Fantastic to see you here ruckage. you inspired me to build tables when fp was first created. If i remember right you and i released some of the first originals. Glad you are still around.

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 07:10 PM

QUOTE (Steve Paradis @ Dec 28 2009, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The guy is just confusing 2 words : HyperWare and Multipin.
Don't fuss about it wink.gif


Better to speak up about it and correct the statement Steve. Thanks for the clarification.

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 07:20 PM

Let's hope for the best and that the forums went down because Black ran out of bandwith near the end of the month. Regardless, it's good to see the community still existing and coming together. I am amazed every day at the levels of talent and creativity I see in the pin community. It's been a great year with all the new pin cabs and VP9 development. Very much looking forward to what 2010 brings.

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 09:47 PM

QUOTE (Steve Paradis @ Dec 28 2009, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (billlpa @ Dec 28 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Headlesshobbs @ Dec 28 2009, 07:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. Knowing the deal linked with Hyperpin and what I've read up on FP-Nanotech, does this look like Chris may be considering FP and all future releases for market only? This is one vibe I've been getting and it's not something I'm really looking forward to.


what deal are u talking about in regards to hyperpin? Hyperpin is freeware.
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The guy is just confusing 2 words : HyperWare and Multipin.
Don't fuss about it wink.gif

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Yeah I did get mixed up with that, my bad.

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 09:48 PM

QUOTE (bbastyr @ Dec 29 2009, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let's hope for the best and that the forums went down because Black ran out of bandwith near the end of the month. Regardless, it's good to see the community still existing and coming together. I am amazed every day at the levels of talent and creativity I see in the pin community. It's been a great year with all the new pin cabs and VP9 development. Very much looking forward to what 2010 brings.



Horray! Let's hope that he has simply pulled the pin (pun not intended).... FP suked ass...and some of the FP worshippers - sorry 'contributers' p1ssed me off no end with their asses stuck so far up blacks ass it wasn't funny. One in particular comes to mind but hey who cares. FP IS DEAD! HORRAY!

Man what a great start to the New Year...

The only losers are the genuinely talented FP table authors who I sincerely feel for... I just hope they port their talents to VP and just get on with great pinball. As I said on Hyperpin, FP physics suck and the 3d modelling is useless when rotated vertical fixed view VP tables exist. FP had features that are simply redundent. Good ridence...bring on 2010 and VP....

I'm off to have a celebration drink! What a great start to 2010!

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 09:52 PM

QUOTE (xzotic @ Dec 28 2009, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (bbastyr @ Dec 29 2009, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let's hope for the best and that the forums went down because Black ran out of bandwith near the end of the month. Regardless, it's good to see the community still existing and coming together. I am amazed every day at the levels of talent and creativity I see in the pin community. It's been a great year with all the new pin cabs and VP9 development. Very much looking forward to what 2010 brings.



Horray! Let's hope that he has simply pulled the pin (pun not intended).... FP suked ass...and some of the FP worshippers - sorry 'contributers' p1ssed me off no end with their asses stuck so far up blacks ass it wasn't funny. One in particular comes to mind but hey who cares. FP IS DEAD! HORRAY!

Man what a great start to the New Year...

The only losers are the genuinely talented FP table authors who I sincerely feel for... I just hope they port their talents to VP and just get on with great pinball. As I said on Hyperpin, FP physics suck and the 3d modelling is useless when rotated vertical fixed view VP tables exist. FP had features that are simply redundent. Good ridence...bring on 2010 and VP....

I'm off to have a celebration drink! What a great start to 2010!


Hooray! Let's just disregard that there will be much more FP talk over here and FP will continue to live regardless of the status that the FP forums have!

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 10:18 PM

It was only a matter of time before some vp pundent would step outta the woodwork....

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 10:32 PM

Whatever pundent means exactly (no result in LEO translator), please try to ignore posts of people who don't agree with you, if/in case you start to worry. We all will never agree in each detail. Some people just can't keep their unwanted opinions under their hat. hi.gif
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Posted 28 December 2009 - 10:57 PM

I find it wrong that some VisualPinball-Users come down the streat and speak it out with the bigest speakers they have "FuturePinball is dead".
Read it in Hyperpin-forum too sad.gif

Why is it?
We have a program, we have a editor. And there are much of tables I very like.
I read again of "perfect" ball physic - I only want to play "pinball" not to see how fast or slow must run the ball over the playfield, a good grafic and some good sound/light effects are enough (for me of course).

Some things I have learn about both programs - to play with a cab FP: I can play every table - VP it's not so easy, the table must edit and change to 90° with the grafic driver?.
For me only that thing is how a SMS on a mobil phone or e-mail in the internet - it's a MUST HAVE.

There is only the "new pinballs with ROMs etc." - They are cool of course, but I have more fun with the older.
Every user must have the right to wrote what he/she think about....
...but go I out and say ....dows is dead - long live Linux? Cut it because I don't want trouble with M$

There are some users (me too) they are not happy about the state today for FuturePinball.

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 11:27 PM

I don't know why people, regardless of which forum or software they support, want to throw everyone into a little classification like rom beggars, or FP Pundits. For shame, grow up, and leave your hate at the door. Before anyone goes pointing fingers, I'm appalled that after all these years there is still the "winners don't use roms" from the FP supporters, and still the "fp phsyics suck" from the VP supporters. I think some of this childish banter should have been proclaimed enough by now to not have to be stated. Please don't continue trying to make others unhappy.

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Posted 28 December 2009 - 11:48 PM

I'm in wub.gif with all pinball !!!


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Posted 28 December 2009 - 11:53 PM

QUOTE (destruk @ Dec 28 2009, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know why people, regardless of which forum or software they support, want to throw everyone into a little classification like rom beggars, or FP Pundits. For shame, grow up, and leave your hate at the door. Before anyone goes pointing fingers, I'm appalled that after all these years there is still the "winners don't use roms" from the FP supporters, and still the "fp phsyics suck" from the VP supporters. I think some of this childish banter should have been proclaimed enough by now to not have to be stated. Please don't continue trying to make others unhappy.


I couldn't have said it better myself, destruk.

We're all here for the love of pinball, and outbursts like that are neither appreciated, nor warranted.

We're all here for the love of pinball, just as Yogi so eloquently points out, so please, xzotic, no more outbursts like that. I have supported Future Pinball and its community from the beginning, and this is not a contest ... it's a GREAT hobby.

If anyone else feels the urge to make comments like that, please refrain from commenting at all.


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