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[ynneBBenny]

Well it looks like your "digital surveillance" is horribly wrong and flawed on this occasion. If you ask me, it's more a case of digital BS, digital unfounded assumptions, or worse still, digital strife making.
You still owe me an apology, sunshine.

Ha, you beat us too it. !!! (Looks great too)
We are currently working on an alternative cabinet.
Ours will be a flat pack variety (Allen key assembly)
It will be a black cabinet, glass and coin door, and buttons, legs, rails and lock down only, ready for the customer to supply their own computer and monitors etc.
We are aiming for between 500 - $600 plus postage.
Unfortunately we are in Australia and are planning to mainly service there, unless people want to pay the high cost of shipping.
At our price we are using melamine coated MDF.
We are currently writing up the Gcodes for our CNC machine.

Hmm, interesting.

And ????
I mentioned a blank unpainted, non fitted out cabinet Bozo. It is a massive leap to what you have accused me of. Besides the idea has been abandoned.
Better get that "digital surveillance" software recranking.Either that or give an aplology. Nup that'll never happen.

[Noah Fentz]

Probably a good thing. Allen key assembled MDF will never hold up to even a couple years of nudging.



Let's all just calm down now, and be civil, k?

[ynneBBenny]

Probably a good thing. Allen key assembled MDF will never hold up to even a couple years of nudging.

Exactly, Thats why we abandodned the idea after the first cut. We figured that making any option as flat pack was going to be weak, and any other option might be too complicated for those who were in the market to buy a cab and not make one. Not only this there is another crowd doing the same and selling them for very cheap. It wasnt worth our while. http://arcadeworx.co...076f7707f5c938c

Besides Noah, it was never going to be competition for your cabs, us been down under and all.

[Noah Fentz]

I wasn't looking at it as competition, man. It's just a simple fact. MDF fastened together in any way is going to fall apart after some time of nudging, or the pinball industry would have done it years ago.

Besides, good, solid competition is good. Without it, no one steps up their game.

[Greywolf]

There is exactly ONE point at which it is legal to sell a licensed unit, and there are terms and conditions and even that is sketchy at best:

You sell your unit for the price you paid -- certainly no more -- maybe shipping if the person cannot pick it up, and in that transaction, you EXPLICITLY transfer your license in such a way that you declare that any copies of said software you have are DESTROYED. This is a one-off thing and is usually permitted even by the bigger corps. Check out the EULA sometime -- many of them say that you may transfer said software to a third party, that you must destroy any and all copies that you have, AND that the third party is bound by the EULA in said transfer.

As I said, it is sketchy at best, but it's about the only plausible reason ever to be selling a unit on your own as a consumer and not as an agent of a licensed entity.
And, again, this is one-off, more or less -- PER UNIT that you have in your possession. I'm also aware that most volume license schemes do not permit transfer, so this would be retail units acquired one at a time.

If you sell for less than you paid, you take a loss. If you sell for more than you paid, you're scalping or scamming, pure and simple.

TOTALLY OFF TOPIC: Ticket scalpers should be castrated (if possible), drawn, quartered and then have their entrails ripped out with a spoon.

All right, workers, back to slack.

[gwjrabbit]

Wow. I'm sort of shocked by this, and just assume the "nobigdeal" argument is coming from someone who doesn't make a living producing copywritten things. I do (I'm a writer). I write stuff for free, I write stuff for pay. I get to choose that. When I write for free and post it on a website, I'm doing that expecting the terms of my posting it to be obeyed. Those terms include things (often) like "this forum won't package up what you write and then sell it in a book." If they do, do I "lose money?" no. I but I lose control, and that's really what this is about.

Someone who writes a piece of software is no different. That they choose to give it away for some period of time is a choice. You, as the consumer, agree to the conditions of that choice because that software comes with a license, just like the music you buy from iTunes or on a CD comes with a license.

There is no requirement of "harm" to break a law. I don't "harm" anyone immediately if I run a red light on an empty street. But I have still broken the contract I agreed to when I got my license.

That's the core issue here. You can't redistribute copywritten works. This has nothing to do with money changing hands. If you don't like the terms of a particular license agreement, you are of course free not to use that software. But you don't get to just distribute it at will.

I'll give you another example. I compose a piece of music. I make it available for anyone who comes to my website and agrees to my simple terms of use: This is for your personal use! Enjoy! Don't redistribute it, but if you like it, send someone to my site to get their own copy!"

I've done this because I want traffic, right? I want people to think I make cool stuff, and when they come get their free thing, maybe someone will make me a rockstar.

There's no way you have the right to now package that song up and stick it on a CD with a bunch of other "free" music and just start handing those CDs out on the street. Because when you downloaded it, you agreed to the terms of it. By just blasting it around, I'm losing a relationship with my potential customer.

By "making" a cabinet buyer come to this site (or some other site) to download a table, or some software, the authors are assured of having a touchpoint with the end user -- a touchpoint which can include displaying terms of use, maybe getting an email, or just being a known source for help so they have a good experience.

Seems so utterly simple to me.

[Noah Fentz]

AMEN!

[wildman]

WOW JUST STOP.......

[faralos]

well I did say that a while back in my post that it's a fine line hopefully some of them would get curious enough to figure out the editor and open the table info or script and find where this site is mentioned. That is cool. so again while it sucks that the table builders never get any recognition (nor money) maybe about 20% or more will eventually get here and possibly even register and who knows maybe be a paid supporter? Now that would be the bees knees, but even if they never find this place, at least they and their families are still enjoying virtual pinball and isn't that what it's really all about? to preserve these tables? If they are good enough to be stolen they will stay working forever giving hundreds of more people who we may never ever know also the chance to play pins! so yeah it sucks but it also kind of doesn't in a way...

[CaptBlackwood]

WOW JUST STOP.......

Sorry, but we have a "Beating Dead horse" emote???


anyway. I'm outta this one.

[faralos]

I'm retiring this forum line too...

[Bob5453]

Last person to post in this thread WINS!

[Rawd]

Last person to post in this thread WINS!

Me!

[koklay2014]

Last person to post in this thread WINS!

Me!

Sure Rawd you can have it... Oh wait I guess this counts as a post...

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[GSGregg]

Last person to post in this thread WINS!

Wins WHAT?

[Noah Fentz]

Since this topic has run its course, and the 'Last to Post Wins' game will keep it around far longer than it really should be kept on top ...


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