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[ronaldvg]

@toxie no way anyone wants you to do it today or even this week or month. I just wanted to let you know so it maybe can be fixed before 10.7 is out of beta, or it is known at least.

[wiesshund]

@wiesshund I have made some video's to illustrate the problem and show you my settings. You can find them here:

 

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AufWzGqhSj-NhOhrmhA9twURPu-5WA?e=KWHfZ9

 

Oh and when I play the testfile that you send me first in VPX through the sound manager, 10.7 nothing from the backglass speakers

Well, one thing i notice in what you showed me is you have windows set as 7.1 but then have it set to a 6.0 speaker configuration
The backbox in 10.7 is going to adhere to DDS standard

Your Center channel is not present

Which, i am betting, is where sounds you assign to backbox, which may be MONO, are going.
The demo table i put up for you.
Did you have table sounds, bumpers, kickers etc, but no scoring bells, or reel motor sounds out of the backbox?

 

Because in your video, when you say "Works perfectly" and you are playing that audio file from windows itself outside of VPX
It is not working perfectly at all, you are missing sounds that are not playing back.

 

I am curious, if you plug in a temporary center speaker of any sort, and set it any place.
and turn the other speakers back on in windows, do you suddenly hear the missing sounds?

 

 

 

[ronaldvg]

@wiesshund I already tested this theory by using APO to mix in the center channel both to the left and right and this sort of works. I do get some sound out of the backbox, but the problem is that all the sound also comes out of the exciters and you could hear on the video how very bad that sounds. Like a big spring that is constantly being hit with something. So that is no solution.

 

But Toxie already replied he would look into this so maybe we wait until he comes up with something.

 

Today I also called a friend of mine which has about the same setup and he upgraded to 10.7 on my request and he has exactly the same problem.

 

Anyways really appreciate your thinking with me.

 

edit: regarding the test file, i obviously know that I cannot hear the sounds that are going to speakers that I have not connected, but I do hear the sounds that I have speakers for perfectly. Not from VPX but from Windows itself to be absolutely clear.

Edited by ronaldvg, 04 October 2020 - 08:47 PM.

[wiesshund]

Yea, i did not like APO, i looked at it once for something else, and kind of got similar results of things bleeding to places that were not where i intended them to be going.

 

Ok, so, as you have a center channel but do not
(What i mean by that is, you have 7.1 selected, so center is available to the DAC for processing, but you have the channel disabled, so nothing will physically come out of it)

 

Sticking with the demo table that i shared, simply since i know what sounds are in it and their formats.

If you open it, and open sound manager
And take fx_bumper1
click position and volume
set to backbox
Push slider full to rear
Push panner full to left, or right

Any noise? 
And if no, then if you enable the center, even though not plugged in, and still have it set as above in sound manager, and have your VPX audio settings just as they are now
Any noise then?

Should be noise in at least one of those scenarios, which you could use as an imperfect work around.

Because the one thing that i notice that it does do, which required me removing some speakers (I cant just turn them off as i use digital output)
is when sound is set to backglass, and sound contains less than 3 discrete channels
Sound goes to Center Channel (which you do not have)

Even if sound is stereo WAV, via backglass it is translated as CENTER

If you hard pan it, it will force it elsewhere, in your case, should be out one of your backbox speakers.
Now that part kinda aint right.
I get what it is doing, but it should be able to look at the media type, and over ride the output method, with out hampering the ability
to output something that is encoded to actually come out that way.
if channel count < 3 then output_as_stereo (which probably is not remotely the the code LOL)

Or if that is for some reason, not feasible, I wonder if it would be possible to include a 10.6 "Like" backbox audio routine in 10.7 and have it user selectable
and simply give the user the option of choosing to use the old stereo only backbox audio, or the new multi channel capable backbox

and yet still retain the ability to read the audio file types that 10.7 can?

 

That way, if i do a table that uses, say 6 channel or 8 channel backbox material
and you are only using a 4 speaker or 6 speaker or some other custom arraignment, you're not playing my table wondering why half the sounds are missing or cut out etc.

 

In my case, i have all 8 speakers, in yours, you are using only 6
We should be able to play the same table, and hear the same sounds, even if they come out a bit different?

I could custom encode all your backbox sounds based on your audio config, or show you how to, and they would play for you flawlessly
but i dont think you nor i want to go doing that for what might be 600 tables, or more.

Redoing my EM tables to 7.1 was fun for the 1st 2, then tedious.
Fun to play, but tedious as hell to re-encode the audio 

 

 

 

[Thalamus]

I have a feeling that he is routing the Center via APO - which you don't like but almost everyone else is using.

[wiesshund]

I have a feeling that he is routing the Center via APO - which you don't like but almost everyone else is using.

Do you know why it bleeds center into his other speakers, and how he could use it and not have it do that?

[Thalamus]

No, I was not aware of some of your findings for 10.7 and that is the only system I've got that has 7.1 now.

[ronaldvg]

@wiesshund I appreciate your very elaborate answer and also the fact that you are trying to find the problem, but I really think we should wait for the findings of Toxie. In 10.6 there is no bleed at all to other speakers and I am NOT actively copying the center speaker to left and right. I just tested that once. On the video's I have shared, APO is not activated at all.

 

In my opinion this can simply be solved in the handling within VPX itself, as it was (and is) working very good in 10.6. It would also solve this for everybody that is encountering this problem.

 

The solution that I am using at the moment is, that I make a new emulator in Pinup Popper and I just run the original tables with that. It would be nice if this gets sorted in 10.7, also for future tables that can taka advantage of the new fuctionality of 10.7, but for now it is a feasable workaround.

[jejepinball]

Hi, I don't know the reason but this tables crash with the 10.7 beta 4307 : Half-Life (TBA 2019) and Dragon Ball Z VPX 1.06

[3rdaxis]

Could someone be so kind as too send me a link to the last stable version of 10.6?

[Thalamus]

https://www.vpforums...&showfile=11572

[onemanproject]

On second of October there was a VP 10.7beta crash:

 

crash.txt:

 

Crash report VPX rev4307
============
Process: vpinballx.exe
Reason: 0xC0000005 - EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION at 0023:0054FBC1
Attempt to read from 0x2038566C
Thread ID: 0xD50 [3408]

Call stack
==========
0054FBC1 vpinballx.exe (0x77235C7C 0x0054BC8A 0x00426CD0 0x0054bc91)
0054BC91 vpinballx.exe (0x0000C2F6 0x20384D70 0x00426CD0 0x00000000)
004275C3 vpinballx.exe (0x0000C2F6 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x001600e0)
0055EB4F vpinballx.exe (0x0000C2F6 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0000c2f6)
00426D1F vpinballx.exe (0x00426CD0 0x001600E0 0x0000C2F6 0x00000000)
7785502A USER32.dll GetClassLongW + 0x7AA (0x00426CD0 0x00000000 0x0000C2F6 0x00000000)
77852D8A USER32.dll DispatchMessageW + 0x24A (0x0019EC14 0x005B5FB2 0x0019EAE4 0x00000000)
77844ED0 USER32.dll DispatchMessageA + 0x10 (0x0019EAE4 0x00000000 0x00000001 0x0019eb00)
005B5FB2 vpinballx.exe (0x00000000 0x0073E170 0x00000000 0x00000000)

Environment
===========
Date/time: 2/10/2020, 22:19:24:681
Number of CPUs: 4
Processor type: 586
System: Windows 10 (10.0 19041)

Memory status
=============
Total Reserved: 209756K (204M) bytes
Total Commited: 413952K (404M) bytes
Total Free: 3570532K (3486M) bytes
Largest Free: 2095296K (2046M) bytes

Registers
=========
EAX=FFFFFFFF EBX=0019DDF0 ECX=00000004 EDX=03670000
ESI=77844080 EDI=20384D70 EBP=0019EC14 ESP=0019EACC EIP=005B5FB2
FLG=00010246 CS=0023 DS=002B SS=002B ES=002B FS=0053 GS=002B


Failed to save minidump.
 

[onemanproject]

And today:

 

Crash report VPX rev4307
============
Process: VPinballX.exe
Reason: 0xC0000005 - EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION at 0023:0052CC3A
Attempt to read from 0x00000018
Thread ID: 0x334 [820]

Call stack
==========
0052CC3A VPinballX.exe (0x00010000 0x0000005E 0x0052C0F1 0x0809d1e0)
0052C0F1 VPinballX.exe (0x0809D1E0 0x0019EC14 0x0019EB14 0x00000000)
005B4901 VPinballX.exe (0x0019EB14 0x003A2000 0x005A752C 0x0019ebf8)
005A752C VPinballX.exe (0x00000000 0x00000001 0x565C3A44 0x626e6970)
005A6E8F VPinballX.exe (0x00000000 0x00000001 0x003A2000 0x00754fe0)
005A7910 VPinballX.exe (0x00400000 0x00000000 0x0319388C 0x00000001)
005CFE48 VPinballX.exe (0x003A2000 0x75A7F970 0x0019FFDC 0x771774b4)
75A7F989 KERNEL32.DLL BaseThreadInitThunk + 0x19 (0x003A2000 0xFFFFFFFFA26B0B3B 0x00000000 0x00000000)
771774B4 ntdll.dll RtlGetAppContainerNamedObjectPath + 0xE4 (0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF 0x77197333 0x00000000 0x00000000)
77177484 ntdll.dll RtlGetAppContainerNamedObjectPath + 0xB4 (0x02F12070 0x003A2000 0x00000000 0x78746341)

Environment
===========
Date/time: 13/10/2020, 20:20:47:575
Number of CPUs: 4
Processor type: 586
System: Windows 10 (10.0 19041)

Memory status
=============
Total Reserved: 80316K (78M) bytes
Total Commited: 639600K (624M) bytes
Total Free: 3474324K (3392M) bytes
Largest Free: 2095424K (2046M) bytes

Registers
=========
EAX=00000000 EBX=0019D9A4 ECX=08B748D0 EDX=08B748A0
ESI=00000024 EDI=0322C6A0 EBP=0019FFEC ESP=0019FFE4 EIP=77177484
FLG=00010283 CS=0023 DS=002B SS=002B ES=002B FS=0053 GS=002B


Mini dump saved successfully.
 

Hi, I don't know the reason but this tables crash with the 10.7 beta 4307 : Half-Life (TBA 2019) and Dragon Ball Z VPX 1.06

Yes i have the same problem

[WhenLit]

Hi, "Cactus Canyon TTNZ 2.0" no longer starts with 4307 (and maybe prior to).

It hangs in these 3 lines (see error in attached files), and then stops:

Line 50 - LoadVBSFiles "02800000", "WPC.VBS", 3.52
Line 76 - vpmInit Me

Line 178 - Controller.Stop
 

[ronaldvg]

Hi, "Cactus Canyon TTNZ 2.0" no longer starts with 4307 (and maybe prior to).

It hangs in these 3 lines (see error in attached files), and then stops:

Line 50 - LoadVBSFiles "02800000", "WPC.VBS", 3.52
Line 76 - vpmInit Me

Line 178 - Controller.Stop
 

If you copy the controller.vbs from the 10.6 package to your scripts directory this will work again. @whenlit

 

Ronald

 

edit: please do not follow this suggestion !!! See below remark of Thalamus.

Edited by ronaldvg, 14 October 2020 - 06:08 PM.

[Mitchell]

Save your table again for back up. Sometimes my table won't work after saving. I had to use a new table and then move all to that so it will work again. I think it get hang after saving.

[Thalamus]

 

Hi, "Cactus Canyon TTNZ 2.0" no longer starts with 4307 (and maybe prior to).

It hangs in these 3 lines (see error in attached files), and then stops:

Line 50 - LoadVBSFiles "02800000", "WPC.VBS", 3.52
Line 76 - vpmInit Me

Line 178 - Controller.Stop
 

If you copy the controller.vbs from the 10.6 package to your scripts directory this will work again. @whenlit

 

Ronald

 

BAD suggestion ... VP is going forwards - not backwards in time. Get the updated and improved script instead. https://github.com/s...pxtable_scripts for a whole lot of them, Direct link to the table in question : https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sverrewl/vpxtable_scripts/master/Cactus%20Canyon%20(Bally%201998)%20TTNZ%20v2.0.vbs - already has DjRobX's P-ROC fixes and Toxies VP10.7 fixes too. Please stop suggesting fiddling about with the scripts that are distributed with VP.

[ronaldvg]

 

 

Hi, "Cactus Canyon TTNZ 2.0" no longer starts with 4307 (and maybe prior to).

It hangs in these 3 lines (see error in attached files), and then stops:

Line 50 - LoadVBSFiles "02800000", "WPC.VBS", 3.52
Line 76 - vpmInit Me

Line 178 - Controller.Stop
 

If you copy the controller.vbs from the 10.6 package to your scripts directory this will work again. @whenlit

 

Ronald

 

BAD suggestion ... VP is going forwards - not backwards in time. Get the updated and improved script instead. https://github.com/s...pxtable_scripts for a whole lot of them, Direct link to the table in question : https://raw.githubus...) TTNZ v2.0.vbs - already has DjRobX's P-ROC fixes and Toxies VP10.7 fixes too. Please stop suggesting fiddling about with the scripts that are distributed with VP.

 

@thalamus Ok, will do that but I tried every other suggestion, also the github and the error with the P-Roc stayed. I have had no ill effect yet on using the older controller.vbs, but I know this will become a problem later.

 

@whenlit please ignore my remark, follow the advice of Thalamus

Edited by ronaldvg, 14 October 2020 - 06:15 PM.

[WhenLit]

 

 

 

Hi, "Cactus Canyon TTNZ 2.0" no longer starts with 4307 (and maybe prior to).

It hangs in these 3 lines (see error in attached files), and then stops:

Line 50 - LoadVBSFiles "02800000", "WPC.VBS", 3.52
Line 76 - vpmInit Me

Line 178 - Controller.Stop
 

If you copy the controller.vbs from the 10.6 package to your scripts directory this will work again. @whenlit

 

Ronald

 

BAD suggestion ... VP is going forwards - not backwards in time. Get the updated and improved script instead. https://github.com/s...pxtable_scripts for a whole lot of them, Direct link to the table in question : https://raw.githubus...) TTNZ v2.0.vbs - already has DjRobX's P-ROC fixes and Toxies VP10.7 fixes too. Please stop suggesting fiddling about with the scripts that are distributed with VP.

 

@thalamus Ok, will do that but I tried every other suggestion, also the github and the error with the P-Roc stayed. I have had no ill effect yet on using the older controller.vbs, but I know this will become a problem later.

 

@whenlit please ignore my remark, follow the advice of Thalamus

 

Thank you for your help!

Now it works fine.

[arcadezz]

Hi, when I update to the later versions of VPX 7 beta, I get "pinball missing" on alot of tables, for instance Addams Family. Any idea why? If I roll back to VPX 6 final or the earlier version of VPX 7 beta, it works fine. Any help is appreciated, thanks.