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[freneticamnesic]

The lighting bloom is exactly what's been missing from tables, this is great

Sharkey's has these holes in the sides of the metal ramp that light shines though, which just looks amazing with the bloom now... it was never even worth doing in VP9 but this is next level stuff. I can't wait to see some more great tables created and see the new building ideas everyone comes up with...

 

[freneticamnesic]

 

Black screen is undesirable but does not result in loss of data, I call it a draw

I got the black screen and forgot to save. It has locked up the laptop I'm using 3 times now. Had to foce quit everything and restart the pc.

 

 

Damn didn't know it was crashing, has been stable here for a few days now

[toxie]

as said above, this is fixed now and should all be fine with the next build released.

[fuzzel]

rev1711 is up:

 

- black screen issue fixed

- memory leak fixed

[toxie]

please let me know if it fixes the crashing issue for you guys..

The lighting bloom is exactly what's been missing from tables, this is great

Sharkey's has these holes in the sides of the metal ramp that light shines though, which just looks amazing with the bloom now... it was never even worth doing in VP9 but this is next level stuff. I can't wait to see some more great tables created and see the new building ideas everyone comes up with...

 

 

please don't overdo it with the bloom though..

modern games finally understood that bloom should only be used very subtle to increase realism, while even 5 years ago everybody went full-on with it..

[unclewilly]

Yes i havent touched any physics as of yet. So it is the standard physics that it had in physics mod 5 and i know friction on everything except maybe the flippers is way too low.

Ill get to it when i finish updating all the graphics and lights

[toxie]

btw: due to some recent optimizations/cleanups (and some upcoming), MB now runs 25% faster on my machine.. 

and there is still room for more improvements..

[lodger]

With the new approach for lamps, has anyone identified best practices if they have text over them? I have been creating lamps over objects on the playfield texture and it generally looks good, but really makes the writing/icons hard to read. any suggestions?

[freneticamnesic]

please let me know if it fixes the crashing issue for you guys..

The lighting bloom is exactly what's been missing from tables, this is great

Sharkey's has these holes in the sides of the metal ramp that light shines though, which just looks amazing with the bloom now... it was never even worth doing in VP9 but this is next level stuff. I can't wait to see some more great tables created and see the new building ideas everyone comes up with...

 

 

please don't overdo it with the bloom though..

modern games finally understood that bloom should only be used very subtle to increase realism, while even 5 years ago everybody went full-on with it..

why I crank it up to 11

 

(just kidding, 1 or 2 right now - I've noticed bloom is more intense in desktop mode though so where 2 looks good in cab, 1 is better in desktop) ....buuuut you probably shouldn't look at my other wip if you dislike bloom.......

With the new approach for lamps, has anyone identified best practices if they have text over them? I have been creating lamps over objects on the playfield texture and it generally looks good, but really makes the writing/icons hard to read. any suggestions?

 

Recently (and pre-vp10) I've been creating a PNG with my light text on them and putting a non-collidable ramp over the playfield, with the light object below that. (say, .1 light height and .2 light text height)

Edited by freneticamnesic, 18 February 2015 - 05:07 PM.

[lodger]

 

please let me know if it fixes the crashing issue for you guys..

The lighting bloom is exactly what's been missing from tables, this is great

Sharkey's has these holes in the sides of the metal ramp that light shines though, which just looks amazing with the bloom now... it was never even worth doing in VP9 but this is next level stuff. I can't wait to see some more great tables created and see the new building ideas everyone comes up with...

 

 

please don't overdo it with the bloom though..

modern games finally understood that bloom should only be used very subtle to increase realism, while even 5 years ago everybody went full-on with it..

why I crank it up to 11

 

(just kidding, 1 or 2 right now - I've noticed bloom is more intense in desktop mode though so where 2 looks good in cab, 1 is better in desktop) ....buuuut you probably shouldn't look at my other wip if you dislike bloom.......

With the new approach for lamps, has anyone identified best practices if they have text over them? I have been creating lamps over objects on the playfield texture and it generally looks good, but really makes the writing/icons hard to read. any suggestions?

 

Recently (and pre-vp10) I've been creating a PNG with my light text on them and putting a non-collidable ramp over the playfield, with the light object below that. (say, .1 light height and .2 light text height

That's interesting. I'm assuming you just do it as one big sheet for all of them?

[freneticamnesic]

Yes 1 image, same size as the PF (just another layer in photoshop really)

[onemanproject]

Another question: Why is the ball rotating in the plunger lane at the plunger - i do nothing ? (Papa smurf table)

[Sindbad]

I played a little bit with the LED segment displays on the Vector playfield and replaced the misused ramps with lights. The result is great...

 

[onemanproject]

I played a little bit with the LED segment displays on the Vector playfield and replaced the misused ramps with lights. The result is great...

 

Is this a vp 10 table is looking good

[Sindbad]

Yes, it's a VP10 WIP for Vector (Bally).

[ICPjuggla]

I played a little bit with the LED segment displays on the Vector playfield and replaced the misused ramps with lights. The result is great...
 

Is this a vp 10 table is looking good

lol, it is posted in the VP10 beta thread, so one would think so! ;-)

The table is looking great Sindbad awesome job so far.

[sliderpoint]

Rubber ball is a good analogy. I'm no expert, but it seems to be by looking with F11 visual aid that the spin is done very well. It's just that this spin translates to direction more that it should. In a perfect world reducing table friction would reduce not the spinning, but the bite. As far as I can tell this is the case. I would also suggest reducing the added value scatter angle and set the constant scatter angle to zero. You can never evaluate physics if you are adding value just for the hell of it. In my opinion the max scatter angle used would be a fraction always less than 1. You will know if you need to use a scatter angle.  

 

 

Dont you relate the impression that the ball in the vp10 behaves a bit like rubber ball ? And dont you think the ball stops on the flippers falling from the high speed from left and right side (I know that the ball spins but is not that a bit unnatural ? (Sorry for my english)

Yes. Very much so.

I have not brought it up, because I'm sure it will be fixed soon.

But the ball does do some crazy bouncing around especially around the flippers and slings that a real pinball just does not.

 

 

yea, its also very noticable in MBash - the ball actually accelerates when it enters the flipper lanes, its almost as though there is no table/ball friction in these areas causing the ball to speed up... anyone else seen this?

 

I noticed it. Last night I looked for a wall to set friction on, but nothing I could find there was at the right height. It seems like the model of the lane guide (blade type between plastic and playfield) is hidden. It's a WIP though. UW will notice it when his attention is on physics.

 

 

I also noticed the excessive ball movement generated from spinning. It's not just MBash, its in VP10.  I agree with Shockman's description that the spin on the ball seems to be translating into full directional momentum at the speed in which the ball is spinning when it hits a wall (or something).  There should be speed/momentum loss as the ball is trying to change direction and fight the friction of play surface as well.

 

-Mike

Another question: Why is the ball rotating in the plunger lane at the plunger - i do nothing ? (Papa smurf table)

 

I don't know "why". But it is a known issue and it doesn't seem to affect physics.  I believe it was stated that it's just the graphic moving not the ball.

[BananaBoat]

Would it be safe to assume the main focus thus far has been on the editor and its functionality ? I'm hoping the same level of debugging is yet to come as far as physics is concerned. Need to keep in mind this is a beta so much of the odd physics at the moment could be table config. Let's just wait and see .

I do hope hkwever that the spinning ball when stationary is addressed at some point.

[freneticamnesic]

I believe it's table settings BananaBoat. Most of us are still operating under the old PM5 settings, but those have changed so there's plenty of tweaking left to do. We need to get some more tables out there and get then playable before we can get anywhere with proper physics adjustments.

[BananaBoat]

I believe it's table settings BananaBoat. Most of us are still operating under the old PM5 settings, but those have changed so there's plenty of tweaking left to do. We need to get some more tables out there and get then playable before we can get anywhere with proper physics adjustments.

 

yea exactly.

These things are worth noting however, so that they can get the appropriate focus in due course.