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[hayhu1m]

Can confirm issues with T-Rex on JP.

Not able on my desktop machine running Win7 64bit and native pinmame any of the issues reported for LW3 or SW.

 

LW3

https://www.dropbox....w3_208.avi?dl=0

 

SW

https://www.dropbox....wr_104.avi?dl=0

 

- Looking at this afterwards - at 2:20, is there a reset of the dmd of sorts ?

Yes Thalamus at 2:20 it reports display version again this is what lethal weapon 3 does then no score at all

[toxie]

Thanks a lot! So we're down to the 128x32 DE machines. Cool!

 

Did anybody test the 128x16 machines? (Batman, Hook, Checkpoint, TMNT. Were there more?)

Oh, and do the 128x32 Sega machines (Apollo13, X-Files, Starship Troopers, ID4, etc) work well?

Edited by toxie, 01 April 2020 - 01:36 PM.

[hayhu1m]

Thanks a lot! So we're down to the 128x32 DE machines. Cool!

 

Did anybody test the 128x16 machines? (Batman, Hook, Checkpoint, TMNT. Were there more?)

Oh, and do the 128x32 Sega machines (Apollo13, X-Files, Starship Troopers, ID4, etc) work well?

Hook and apollo13 seem to be ok only played a few games

[toxie]

If anybody else (or you) have more testing data, please still bring it on.

This is all so extremely helpful to have many people looking at/testing this.

 

So, if anyone finds any Sys11/DE/Stern/Sega based-machine acting up, please post it here.

 

(so far we have the theory that its only affecting 128x32 DE machines, e.g. SW, LW3, JP)

(experimental build here: https://www.vpforums...27063&p=446288)

Edited by toxie, 01 April 2020 - 01:47 PM.

[hayhu1m]

Checked simpsons pinball party all good.

 

Tales from the crypt is all good too.

 

Tommy ok too

 

WWF think is ok saw something say switch while play but not sure if it was fault or normal play it flashed so quick

Edited by hayhu1m, 01 April 2020 - 02:35 PM.

[Sixtoed]

Twister and Star Wars Trilogy seem to work fine, the moving filing cabinet works in X-Files which I imagine is quite complicated, but they're Whitestar so I'm not sure they'd be affected by this?

Edited by Sixtoed, 01 April 2020 - 02:49 PM.

[toxie]

Could you please test LAH and Rocky&Bullwinkle?

Cause i by now would suspect these are broken, too.  (but cannot check myself at the moment :/)

 

Thanks!

[hayhu1m]

Rocky&Bullwinkle some of the animations are not trigering on the ramps and got the display version pop up halfway through a game.

 

LAH seemed to cut scenes eg extra ball cut off halfway through the scene.

Edited by hayhu1m, 01 April 2020 - 03:01 PM.

[toxie]

Okay, thanks! So it seems all to be related to the older DMD controller board, although the net claims that the old and new ones should be interchangeable (minus a jumper setting for ROMs).

 

Nevertheless, if everything fails then i'll add these games separately and just have the improvements affect all the newer games.  

 

Thanks a lot again, and please keep on testing (GnR and WWF would be nice to know to complete that theory).

[hayhu1m]

GNR seems fine WWF as i said earlier regarding switch but would need someone else to check as it might be an in game screen.

[kiwi]

They have already said it for other tables of the same family, even for baywatch the timing is now fine,

the other video mode (running on the beach) I don't know if the speed is right, I have never seen the real one.

 
I was in the middle of a multiball, and it changed to another mode for no reason, then it got messed up because there were too many balls in the game,
it's the first time something like this happens to me, I think it is due to the new beta VPM, but who knows.

[Sixtoed]

GNR seems fine WWF as i said earlier regarding switch but would need someone else to check as it might be an in game screen.

 

If you mean in WWF when switched on when high power coin door error as part of the boot sequence, this is a known rom issue which has been around forever apparently, if it is a driver error then it's always been there.

Edited by Sixtoed, 01 April 2020 - 06:32 PM.

[hayhu1m]

 

GNR seems fine WWF as i said earlier regarding switch but would need someone else to check as it might be an in game screen.

 

If you mean in WWF when switched on when high power coin door error as part of the boot sequence, this is a known rom issue which has been around forever apparently, if it is a driver error then it's always been there.

 

No it was while in a game just as the ball drained

Scrub that WWF is fine just seen it its a switch bonus lol 

[toxie]

They have already said it for other tables of the same family, even for baywatch the timing is now fine,

the other video mode (running on the beach) I don't know if the speed is right, I have never seen the real one.

 
I was in the middle of a multiball, and it changed to another mode for no reason, then it got messed up because there were too many balls in the game,
it's the first time something like this happens to me, I think it is due to the new beta VPM, but who knows.

 

This was happening in Baywatch? And with the build from https://www.vpforums...=27063&p=446288 ?
 

[kiwi]

 

They have already said it for other tables of the same family, even for baywatch the timing is now fine,

the other video mode (running on the beach) I don't know if the speed is right, I have never seen the real one.

 
I was in the middle of a multiball, and it changed to another mode for no reason, then it got messed up because there were too many balls in the game,
it's the first time something like this happens to me, I think it is due to the new beta VPM, but who knows.

 

This was happening in Baywatch? And with the build from https://www.vpforums...=27063&p=446288 ?
 

 

Yes.

[toxie]

I think i'm now down to just LW3 glitching, will post another build tomorrow for you guys to test/verify. If this works out i'll add a special case for LW3 and then call it a day. 

[toxie]

So from my limited tests, this one now only glitches LW3 and R&B..

 

But please again test Sys11 and DE/Sega hardware (all DE 128x16 and Sega 192x64 HW, and then 128x32 DE games from LW3 to G'N'R (see full game list, also including some segmented display DE machines, on http://smiley.tzo.co...uide-index1.htm)) to be sure..

 

The 128x32 Segas and Sterns are not affected by this change here and will react same as the earlier dll-only build..

 

EDIT: removed file nowadays

Edited by toxie, 04 April 2020 - 08:26 AM.

[hayhu1m]

LW3 still blanks out score but seems better speed as skill shot is not as fast and looks to be same as real machine will test others 

 

Rocky and Bullwinkle still not right not everything triggering and display version popping up during play

 

Everything else seems ok Looks to be just LW3 and Rocky and Bullwinkle

Edited by hayhu1m, 02 April 2020 - 07:54 AM.

[toxie]

Good, this matches my experiments!

 

Thanks a lot.. Of course, other people are more than encouraged to also play some games and confirm our tests, so that i can continue to finalize these changes.. 

[Sixtoed]

OK, I'll edit this post as I go;

S11 : Working - Funhouse, Elvira, Bugs Bunny, Dr Dude

 

DE Segmented : Back to the future, Simpsons - Working

 

128x16 : Working - Star Trek 25th, Batman (1991), TMNT, Hook

 

128x32 : Jurassic Park, Tales From the Crypt, Last Action Hero, Guns & Roses - Working

128x32 : Star Wars stwr_107 - Score blanks, trigger animations OK

128x32 : Lethal Weapon - Worked fine for a couple of games, then rebooted, score blanked straight away. Trigger animations OK, skill shot now (correctly) slower, Travis fist fight now actually winnable!

128x32 : Adventure of Rocky & Bullwinkle, display bios revision appearing randomly on dmd.

 

192x64 : Working - Batman Forever 

Edited by Sixtoed, 02 April 2020 - 02:07 PM.