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[bladexdsl]

yeah admin is ON running in windows nt 4.0 sp5

never had a problem until i enabled this 16x setting. screw it i'm changing it back to default

You should seriously upgrade!

to what windows 8?! i'm using win7 64x

i turned off compatibility mode seems to be fine now i can still barely see any difference in the tables though the text is clearer on some of them but that's about it.

Edited by bladexdsl, 15 April 2011 - 07:54 PM.

[rob046]

Yeah I didn't know you were talking about compatiblity mode, since even using NT even for compatibility mode is kinda odd because it is sooo old & came out well before VP was developed. & for that reason I'm not even sure how NT mode would help any more than XP mode would, but VP can do some odd things & some weird things have helped people, so if something clearly helps you then go for it. Currently I have a few programs that if they aren't running in the background VP runs much slower. Very odd & I wonder how many other people out there this happens to but they are unaware VP can run 50% better. Believe it or not some people do still run NT or win98 for whatever reason. Glad turning compatibility mode seemed to help for you, now try what I say below in the last paragraph for an extra boost.

I just tried all the compatibility modes, & at least for me with the newer more intensive tables, once again I find using NO compatibility mode the best option for performance, which is what I usually find but I wanted to check again today since its been a long time since I had. Only use compatibility mode if you are having some glitches & one of the modes fixes it. But as I've said, I don't have much issue with vanishing display or if I do I'd just hit F3 & that should fix it. & other than this vanishing display thing, I think all versions of windows that people use should play VP just fine & shouldn't require compatibility modes.

Btw, using 16xAF (again I recommend 8x) you won't see a huge difference on most tables but its still worth enabling because some tables benefit from it more than others. & it certainly doesn't hurt any tables to have it on, it only helps.
To really see the difference you should take a screenshot of the table without AF, then take one with AF enabled, layer them in photoshop or other photo editing software & quickly enable/disable the top layer on & off, then you'll see how this setting helps. You'll see the most difference maybe on older tables or tables that don't have the highest resolution textures, or tables that have PF art with complex textures. & yes, it can also clear up text a bit. Also in your graphics control panel, to get the most out of this feature you want to max out the few other settings as well that deal with textures. Actually even if you don't use AF you want those other settings maxed.

With VP the only settings you need to be careful with and may not want to max out or enable at all are the AA settings. Those aren't really texture related but I always mention it because I know some people enable this & are unaware that it is causing these little glitches to their tables. AA results are unreliable & unpredictable, & how well it works varies from table to table. I've found there are some things that can be modded to work better with AA, but it gets too time consuming & I often just leave AA disabled.

More than anything I HIGHLY recommend "disable desktop composition". I just did some testing & not only can it improve some small glitches in the editor, but I think it might also take care of the vanishing display. More importantly, I get a real nice FPS boost. On JP's TOTAN I got about 25-30 more fps with desktop composition disabled. & on a game like that I like to set the alpha slider at least half way, so every little performance boost is welcomed.

[bladexdsl]

i don't see an option to disable desktop composition ?

[Noah Fentz]

Honestly turning on AF doesn't make a huge difference. The improvements are usually subtle. & on tables that already use high rez textures you can hardly tell any difference at all in most spots. If you can't do 16xAF for whatever reason, it isn't too much of a loss. After all, before VP9 this AF setting didn't work at all & we got along just fine.

A note for anybody, I did lots of testing with both VP & FP with AF. Beyond 8x or maybe even 4x in some cases, I don't see much difference. In other words, I say don't waste resources on 16xAF. If you got a decent gpu, just max it at 8x at most. Might free up a little memory & the results are just as good.

You're joking, right?

The difference is night and day for me. See the first post comparisons.

AA should always be 'Application Controlled' for VP.

[bladexdsl]

i've got AA on 16x and it's working fine but than again i do have the awesome power of the gtx 580

[Sabbat]

after I turned AF back to 16x after it must of got changed from a driver update. My mind was blown away once again at how much sharper and nicer everything looks.

[thewool]

Hi all, found this thread after feeling slightly disappointed with the appearance of VP on my FS cab... Basically it's what has already been described, the playfield and plastics appeared quite blurry. I thought maybe this was just because of the TV I used (Sharp Aquos 42") but after a good read of this topic I did some tinkering...

Seems that people with FS cabs are not seeing massive improvments with the AF setting on. I enabled x16 and it didn't make much difference at all. That was until I set VP 9.12 to use 2048 textures in the video options - Eureka! The playfield and plastics were a good bit sharper, the improvement was significant!! At last I seem to be getting a good picture, the difference is best seen on some of the new high res tables such as TOTAN.

Just thought I'd post this info to see if it helps any other FS cab owners.

[wrd1972]

Four year bump. LOL

 

Why are the plastics on some tables very sharp while others are a bit fuzzy...settings being equal? Are there any newer settings (above AF) that can help ensure that all plastics are made as sharp as possible.

BTW, I have Nvidia 7600.

[freneticamnesic]

Source images will be the biggest impact. If the images are blurry before they go into VP, they'll be blurry in VP.

[MBison]

Thanks for this topic. I did the instructions and I believe it made a nice difference!