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[Mitchell]

You can't Disable DirectDraw on Windows 7.

I already told you I'm not going to change anything on the ATI option setup. This isn't graphics card, hardware and drivers issue. VP issue. I will show you one last time. Look closer on the targets.

2nd picture. Left - Graphics are mess up. Right - No graphics issue. See it not my graphics card issue.

3rd picture is showing Left is 9.0.9 showing no problem and right is 9.1.0 - 9.1.2 with graphics issue. Both are drop target.

All the snapshots from me testing out the VP versions are in 32-bit mode only.

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Edited by Mitchell, 13 March 2011 - 08:25 AM.

[sleepy]

Not that it matters to the current difficulties, but the old ATI EMReel bug was a problem of the images in the EMReel tearing and streaking in vertical columns of unintelligible color runs and looking like the compatible color palate tool output in The GIMP photo program.
Just a box of vertical color bars with no image.

I think it was, somebody discovered (or thought) that the bitmap buffer in ATI cards using DirectDraw was offset by a value of 1 causing offset errors in pixel alignment.
It was either that or it was a bitmap buffer offset error by another value.

[Mitchell]

I do have the GIMP 2 and CorelDRAW Graphics Suite X5 install. Could that be the issue?

[cupid]

I already told you I'm not going to change anything on the ATI option setup. This isn't graphics card, hardware and drivers issue. VP issue. I will show you one last time. Look closer on the targets.

For not answering any questions and for the lack of working together, this was the last time I answered to the thread.

Thanks to all others.

[sleepy]

I do have the GIMP 2 and CorelDRAW Graphics Suite X5 install. Could that be the issue?

No, those programs have no effect on the problem.
The Gimp runs on it's own set of GTK .dlls and Corel borrows from the system without changing anything or installs its own .dll dependencies the same as GIMP.
Completely separate from Visual Pinball.

Now, if you were installing an old, old (10 or 15 year old) version of any Windows-based photo editor or program, one that installs by default old DirectX files ver. 7 or earlier by overwriting the existing DirectX system files, then you would need to reinstall the current DirectX ver.
This can also happen when the old DirectX ver. installer does not recognize that a newer version of DirectX is already installed.

[Mitchell]

Well screw it. I give up because dev have no idea what is wrong. But then again they tell people buy a Nvidia graphics card. They doesn't even look at my snapshots on the bugs that I reported? Know what you keep using that out of date Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 Professional Edition. You should be using the newest version of Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Professional Edition instead for Windows 7.

I'm done reporting bugs.

[Wizards_Hat]

Well screw it. I give up because dev have no idea what is wrong. But then again they tell people buy a Nvidia graphics card. They doesn't even look at my snapshots on the bugs that I reported? Know what you keep using that out of date Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 Professional Edition. You should be using the newest version of Microsoft Visual Studio 2010 Professional Edition instead for Windows 7.

I'm done reporting bugs.

OK - can I just sum up, as I think this thread has confused me a little:
...a dev responds to your bug report and asks you to try something so that they can determine exactly what the problem is.
You respond with saying that you aren't going to do that & that they should just fix your problem regardless.
The dev concerned then says that they will not attempt to help you further because you will not try something asked in a very polite and simple way to help them help you.
You then complain about devs telling you you should buy Nvidia cards, when in actual fact the dev concerned never said that and has actually put a huge amount of work into getting ATI cards to work well in VP even though they don't have one themselves.

ok..I think I'm clear about it now.

Regards,
Dan.

Edited by Wizards_Hat, 14 March 2011 - 07:00 AM.

[The Loafer]

Mitchell: Do us and yourself a favor and just re-read what Cupid mentioned and try it. It's my experience that many times, when people are told "change the VP color depth", they just think "desktop" and they just try that. For the record, WITHIN VP, go to your settings and change your resolution to whatever you usually use, but not 32bit, but 16bit; ie: scroll and you'll see the 16bit resolution you're looking for. Then, give that table a try. IE: nothing to do with the desktop, this is the setting to try within VP, ok?

Sometimes you really tick me off.

[Grizz]

buy nvidia~

[Wizards_Hat]

buy nvidia~

lmao

Regards,
Dan.

[TheMcD]

buy nvidia~

Yeah, that about sums it up. To me, it's all a giant conspiracy. Nanotech is actually a puppet of NVIDIA which released this version of VP which is obviously catered towards NVIDIA cards to get more people to buy their cards.

If I were really full of it, I'd say that NVIDIA plans to use their added profits from VP to take over smaller African countries to fuel their desire to become the new world order, but I'm straight edge - and I'd have to get really high to think that.

The McD

[sleepy]

$200 NVidia 3D "shutter glasses" that run on batteries.
That's the NVidia connection.

[Mitchell]

Look like crap in 16-bit mode. Colors faded into water paint colors. It did fix the targets drop issue. VP 9.1.2. Now you see why I refuse to mess with the screen settings.

By the way. I'm not buying a Nvidia card. Even though Nvidia drivers are stable but the hardware are poor because of the heating and fan issue. I had one and the fan burn up in about month or two. I threw it into trash and got a ATI card afterward.

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Edited by Mitchell, 15 March 2011 - 06:45 AM.

[Bob5453]

I agree it looks like crap. This is not suitable for King Hanco.

[druadic]

Look like crap in 16-bit mode. Colors faded into water paint colors. It did fix the targets drop issue. VP 9.1.2. Now you see why I refuse to mess with the screen settings.

By the way. I'm not buying a Nvidia card. Even though Nvidia drivers are stable but the hardware are poor because of the heating and fan issue. I had one and the fan burn up in about month or two. I threw it into trash and got a ATI card afterward.

Well said Mitchell. I threw 4 of these Nvidia cards away before I broke down and bought an ATI 8500 LE. I STILL have this card years afterwards and it runs everything to date!

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[TedB]

All the NVIDIA cards I ever owned worked great and had some issues with ATI. That doesn't make ATI cards bad cards, because it all depends on the other components in your PC, drivers and software you use. I like to get the best results with VP so I chose NVIDIA.
A nice poll : http://www.squidoo.com/nvidia-vs-ati

Edited by TedB, 15 March 2011 - 10:27 PM.

[Mitchell]

Nvidia over price. ATI very cheap. You see why I pick ATI.

If Nvidia people just wake up and see ATI got thier cards to sell for cheap then maybe they will go cheaper. That is the only way I will switch back.

Nvidia sucking ATI balls too long on the prices.

Edited by Mitchell, 15 March 2011 - 10:52 PM.

[Mitchell]

Well Centipede doesn't look that bad at all. Just need to be update. I'm going to stick with the 9.1.2. Deleting the 9.0.9 right now. I'm converting all images into png.

16-bit doesn't bother me much now.

Btw: MTG look the same in 16-bit mode. No water colors bars there.

Edited by Mitchell, 17 March 2011 - 07:10 AM.

[R_L]

buy nvidia~

It works fine for me now, if I save at 16bit col it works like a charm.

Keep it up dev team!

cheers,

R_L

Edited by R_L, 01 April 2011 - 09:51 PM.

[Mitchell]

I went and got me a NVIDIA graphics card while back. Only issue I have with it is the VP drain is all mess up. But I made a quick fix. I made a drain image and put it over the invisible drain. Took care of that.