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[RIJOSROBERTO]

is there any specific settings besides whats in the instructions for tilt ?? in future pinball and vp ?? also how can i add knudging to pinball fx2 and 3 ??

[mjr]

is there any specific settings besides whats in the instructions for tilt ?? in future pinball and vp ?? also how can i add knudging to pinball fx2 and 3 ??

 

Please see http://mjrnet.org/pi...de.php?sid=tilt - that has details on setting up VP 9 and 10.  I don't if FP  or FX2 support analog nudging - does anyone else here know?  If you want to pass along the instructions, I'd be happy to add them to the build guide chapter for future reference.

[RIJOSROBERTO]

cool thank you ,

[RIJOSROBERTO]

Hello mjr and every one ,  the pot came in today , mines has two leg connectors on one end and one on the other i cant tell which is the ground , but so far no matter what combination i put the wires in the tool is picking it up , any ideas ,

[mjr]

Hello mjr and every one ,  the pot came in today , mines has two leg connectors on one end and one on the other i cant tell which is the ground , but so far no matter what combination i put the wires in the tool is picking it up , any ideas ,

 

I finally fleshed out the potentiometer chapter in the new Build Guide, so hopefully that'll answer your question:

 

http://mjrnet.org/pi...ide.php?sid=pot

[hlr53]

 

is there any specific settings besides whats in the instructions for tilt ?? in future pinball and vp ?? also how can i add knudging to pinball fx2 and 3 ??

 

Please see http://mjrnet.org/pi...de.php?sid=tilt - that has details on setting up VP 9 and 10.  I don't if FP  or FX2 support analog nudging - does anyone else here know?  

 

For FX2/3 I can use a Steam controller (and I imagine an xBox controller does the same) by tapping the joystick to nudge. Is that considered analog or digital?

 

[RIJOSROBERTO]

thank you mjr , it did , it helped alot , but for some reason the pot wasnt acting right , so what i decided to do is just use works for vp perfect just not fp ,

Update , so the right axis works for vp perfect and the lext works for fp but in vp the left axis makes the ball go crazy like a remote controll car. So still trying to figure that out .i tried xpadder and it doesnt register the right stick / axis on the logitech controller that iam using no on my xbox 360 controller that i tried to use .

Edited by RIJOSROBERTO, 06 October 2017 - 12:44 AM.

[RIJOSROBERTO]

UPDATE. on my progress , the controller works fine now on the left stick , with vp, fp , pinballfx2 , the problem that i have and iam seeing is that one future pinball isnt picking up the pinscade  2 future pinball doesn't have on the list to choose from  for the plunger selection it doesnt have rY only y thru x and vp does , also becouse the pinscade is programed to use x and y it makes the controller make the pinball ball go crazy on the screen like if its possessed , unless if i can fix the pinscade and change the  x y to something else , iam not going to be able to use my pinscade for nudging 

[mjr]

UPDATE. on my progress , the controller works fine now on the left stick , with vp, fp , pinballfx2 , the problem that i have and iam seeing is that one future pinball isnt picking up the pinscade  2 future pinball doesn't have on the list to choose from  for the plunger selection it doesnt have rY only y thru x and vp does , also becouse the pinscade is programed to use x and y it makes the controller make the pinball ball go crazy on the screen like if its possessed , unless if i can fix the pinscade and change the  x y to something else , iam not going to be able to use my pinscade for nudging 

 

I'm not sure I understand your setup at this point, so it might help if you list exactly what software and hardware you have set up, and then go through what's not working one by one so I can try to address each one.

 

When I run Future Pinball, it does list Pinscape Controller in the list of available controllers for me, so it seems to be able to recognize it as a joystick.  And it offers X and Y axis for nudging.

 

If you're getting too strong of a response on the nudge axis in general, try turning the "Gain" setting down on the X and Y axis.  Those are settings in VP and FP (not Pinscape).  Go to the Keyboard Preferences in VP, or the Game Controller Preferences in FP, to find these settings.

[RIJOSROBERTO]

ok , i have , vp , fp , pinballfx2,  pinscade, and iam going to be using a Logitech game-pad f310  , p/n 840-000058 , m/n g-u0001

 

ok so now , at first when i started programing the pinscade  before i tried the pot future pinball did pick up the pinscade , but now it is not picking up the pinscade ,

 

as well as , in vp since the pinscade uses a y and x axis , exactly like the Logitech  controller  uses y  axis , they clash ,.

 

but if i was able to change the pinscade controllers axis to something else it would work , for nudging ,

 

future pinball only has an axis selection of  r ,x, and vp has a bigger selection  x, r, xr, xy, ,  so iam on able to switch future pinball to xy  because then i cant use it for vp  , but if i leave both at y so that i can be able to use the Logitech pad , left axis stick then i can use it on all of the emulators , except i sacrifice nudging.

 

 

 

 

iam on windows 10 ,

mainly need to see if theirs a way that the pinscade axis be changed so that the pinscade wont use y and x . that would solve the issue ,

[mjr]

Okay, I think I see.  Tell me if this is correct:

1.  The basic problem is that Pinscape and Logitech are conflicting because both use X and Y.

 

2.  You'd like to change Pinscape to use Rx and Ry for nudge instead of X and Y to clear up this conflict.

 

Is that right?

 

There's no technical reason Pinscape can't report nudge data on Rx and Ry; the software just doesn't have any way to configure that right now.

 

But...  if you DID set Pinscape to Rx and Ry, wouldn't that prevent FP from working?  Because FP only allows for X-Y-Z settings.

 

Is there any way you can reconfigure the Logitech device instead?  Maybe put it on Rx-Ry?  If so, that might be the more general solution in that FP would keep working.

Edited by mjr, 17 October 2017 - 05:40 PM.

[RIJOSROBERTO]

that is beyond perfectly correct lol ,

 

but the logitech doesnt allow me to change it , and i tried using xpadder and xpadder doesnt see it for some reason ,

on fp it works becouse its using y wich on the logitech controller pad is the right axis stick thingy ,

 

 

and if i put it on Ry for example the right stick will work for fp but it will conflict with vp , makes the ball go all around the place like if it was haunted , iam going to see if i can buy an xbox 360 gel candy controller there a little cheaper , to see if that would work , since for some retard reason now my origianl xbox 360 controller inst working on me at all ,

 

 

but so far it seems either way fp wont read it unless i disconect the game pad controller ..

Edited by RIJOSROBERTO, 17 October 2017 - 06:10 PM.

[mjr]

Just out of curiosity, what are you using the Logitech joystick for?

 

> and if i put it on Ry for example the right stick will work for fp but it will conflict with vp

 

Sorry, I'm really getting confused here!   What are you putting on Ry?  I thought you couldn't configure the Logitech joystick to use Ry, and I know Pinscape can't, so...?

[RIJOSROBERTO]

In the settings in vp you can ,,

As a replacement virtual plunger bare eith me driving home

[mjr]

As a replacement virtual plunger bare eith me driving home

 

(That's by way of answer to "What are you using the Logitech for?", right?)

 

Let's see... reading back on the thread, it looks like you were having trouble getting the potentiometer working with Pinscape and decided to switch to the Logitech joystick for your plunger instead.  Am I reading that correctly?  If that's all you need the Logitech for, maybe the thing to do is go back to the original plan and figure out what was going wrong the potentiometer, so you can clear up all of these conflicts the easy way, by just getting rid of the Logitech.  That might be a simpler problem to solve overall.

[RIJOSROBERTO]

true , but it looked like it wanted to work because the bar in the setup for the pot ,  the meter to calibrate it , was moving an inch or two , but next to the beginning , i tried the wires rewiring left and right i think it might be defective , i just bought a 15 dollor light up xbox 360 controller so iam testing it out now to see , if that doesn't work then iam going to try to order a different pot if not i will save up the money and get the one from zeb , that way i don't have to worry to much on messing it up lol ,

[mjr]

true , but it looked like it wanted to work because the bar in the setup for the pot ,  the meter to calibrate it , was moving an inch or two , but next to the beginning , i tried the wires rewiring left and right i think it might be defective

 

Do you have a model number for the potentiometer?  I bet it's just a matter of getting the wires in the right order.  If you have the model number information, the manufacturer's data sheet should tell us how the wiring should be arranged.  

 

Alternatively, you can use the multimeter test method to figure out the wiring, as described here:  http://mjrnet.org/pi...ide.php?sid=pot

 

 

 i just bought a 15 dollor light up xbox 360 controller so iam testing it out now to see 

 

Okay, let us know how it goes with that.

I suspect you're going to run into similar problems with any two-joystick setup, though, since Visual Pinball just isn't set up to deal with multiple joysticks.  

[RIJOSROBERTO]

and you are corrct  , same issues , , i have to buy a new tester , last one i blew reading a car battery , that  had issues,,.. i tried moving around those wires left and right  from the pot , using the same instructions that you gave me with the wires attached to the pinscape like the in the picture,. and no luck ,  ..

 

http://www.mouser.co...88-RSA0N11S9A0K

Edited by RIJOSROBERTO, 17 October 2017 - 10:52 PM.

[mjr]

and you are corrct  , same issues , , i have to buy a new tester , last one i blew reading a car battery , that  had issues,,.. i tried moving around those wires left and right  from the pot , using the same instructions that you gave me with the wires attached to the pinscape like the in the picture,. and no luck ,  ..

 

http://www.mouser.co...88-RSA0N11S9A0K

 

It looks like you have the recommended one, so that should be good.  

 

You might want to give it a another try at some point to make absolutely sure you can't get it working.  I think  the odds a defective part are very small, since these are such simple devices.  Unless you did specifically did something to it that you think might have broken it, like breaking one of the pins off, or plugging it into a car battery.   You might have just had a wire not connected properly or something like that - a new try with fresh eyes might get it working.

Just be sure to double-check everything to make sure the wires are plugged into the right pins on the KL25Z and the potentiometer.  Wiring is about the only thing that should be possible to go wrong with this.

[RIJOSROBERTO]

lol ,  the  meter when trying to calibrate it would move like an inch ,  and no more , and withing the game nothing would happen , ill try it now ,

 

i wish this web page  would let me post pics , but for some reason it wont let me ,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

( UPDATE )

 

 

i dont know how lol , but as soon as i mounted the pot on a piece of wood that iam going to use the bar seems to be stable so i can move the green bar  thats in the calibration section of the pinscade settings back and forth ,

 

 

going to try  it in vp and fp now ,

Edited by RIJOSROBERTO, 18 October 2017 - 05:43 PM.