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[freezy]

What you've changed from horse to snake now?

[chepas]

What you've changed from horse to snake now?

 

No, Horse > Snakes. Snakes are not good for logos imo, let the big boys use them.

[freezy]

That's what I thought, thanks for clearing this up!

[freezy]

@chepas Other topic, and I'm sorry I know it's unrelated to horses, but would you be willing to help me with VPE skeleton game integration? No hurry, but it would be cool at some point.

[chepas]

@chepas Other topic, and I'm sorry I know it's unrelated to horses, but would you be willing to help me with VPE skeleton game integration? No hurry, but it would be cool at some point.

 

Yeah sure, I haven't looked how you've done MPF but can you use the python VPCom and just hook up pretty quickly then, similar to VP?

[freezy]

Well, we still wanna keep VPE cross-platform so COM is kinda out of the picture (also, it sucks). For MPF we're using a gRPC daemon (code here) that VPE connects to and thus allows to exchange bi-directional messages. That's just for the game logic though, for the media controller we'll need to figure out another solution.

[Rajo Joey]

Simple question: how can I export back to VPX? I can't find a menu entry for this.
And I can't find anything about it in the documentation either.

Thanks.

[freezy]

Simple question: how can I export back to VPX? I can't find a menu entry for this.
And I can't find anything about it in the documentation either.

Thanks.

Select the root node of the table in the hierarchy, and you'll have a button in the inspector.

 

 

EDIT: I wanted to write an editor tutorial that covers VPX features for a while now, but there's still too much stuff changing. It's gonna be one of the first ones though!

Edited by freezy, 23 April 2021 - 11:26 AM.

[chepas]

Well, we still wanna keep VPE cross-platform so COM is kinda out of the picture (also, it sucks). For MPF we're using a gRPC daemon (code here) that VPE connects to and thus allows to exchange bi-directional messages. That's just for the game logic though, for the media controller we'll need to figure out another solution.

 

Yeah, I don't want to go too deep into it now, you already had me thinking about it.

 

Proto buffs, can't get into them and I avoid, there's always been something else to use but I'm not trying to interop Python all the time and have the freedom not to.

 

But the proto you already have there, I don't have to worry about that as you probably have all Skeleton game covered.

[freezy]

We can also use a pipe. Advantage of the protobufs is that they have been designed already, there are code examples, and it would be trivial to implement them in VPE since I've already done the ground work for MPF.

 

Not sure what you mean by Skeleton being covered.

[chepas]

Not sure what you mean by Skeleton being covered.

 

Covered in proto because any "interfacing" endpoints skeleton would need is already there. (as in I wouldn't even need to go there).

 

You're on your own if you want frames from SDL. I gave up on that idea a while ago when trying to put it on a VP script dmd.

 

It was only a matter of converting the texture layer but that was too much of a ballache at the time. Using Ctypes in python, just couldn't get head around converting the frame, I may have the work somewhere where it was pretty much that one line to finish it.

Edited by chepas, 23 April 2021 - 12:29 PM.

[freezy]

Ah okay, gotcha.

 

MPF-MC is using Kivy, which is built on OpenGL. We don't have a solution yet to share some kind of frame buffer between Unity and Kivy, but that's the next thing and Jan sounded optimistic. If we get this working, and SDL renders to OpenGL as well, we might be able to use the same approach for Skeleton. Otherwise at least for cabinet mode I suppose letting Skeleton render its own thing would be acceptable as well.

 

Anyway, let me know if or when you have time to play with it.

[chepas]

MPF-MC is using Kivy, which is built on OpenGL. We don't have a solution yet to share some kind of frame buffer between Unity and Kivy, but that's the next thing and Jan sounded optimistic. If we get this working, and SDL renders to OpenGL as well, we might be able to use the same approach for Skeleton. Otherwise at least for cabinet mode I suppose letting Skeleton render its own thing would be acceptable as well.

 

Anyway, let me know if or when you have time to play with it.

 

I've used Kivvy myself a long time ago to make a UI in python and thought that was a strange choice to begin with. 

 

It won't be as difficult to do that for SDL / Python, I think the trouble was converting it to get compatible with VP. 

 

Yeah I will do because I want to revisit that again. It would allow for fullscreen VP + SG on desktop.

[fripounet]

il faut lancer mpf avec la console ou bien c'est vpe qui lance mpf ?

car mpf ne s'affiche pas dans vpe , pourtant il est bien installé.

 

ça correspond à quoi value 1,2,3 game logic ?

 

trad. google

you have to start mpf with console or is it vpe which launches mpf?

because mpf is not displayed

 

 

 

Edited by fripounet, 27 April 2021 - 07:15 AM.

[freezy]

Maybe read the doc?

[freezy]

So I've tested the UPM setup and this combination (all latest) works here:

 

 

Otherwise I've merged a PR that does a lot of groundwork for display handling. We now support DMDs and segment displays, and they are very flexible. Documentation here if anyone interested.

 

Both the DMD and the segment display render with a shader entirely on the GPU, so they are quite performant. They are also both integrated into Unity's shader graph, which lets anyone create all kind of cool effects without having to write actual shader code:

 

 

 

Many thanks to @ravarcade who helped me a lot with the segment display shader (it was actually for dmdext at the time). It looks pretty good now and we will tweak it further more.

 

That's it, that was basically what I've spent my time in April on.

 

EDIT: Oh, eye candy, I forgot. Here a few shots from Rowlan from a few weeks ago:

 

 

 

Edited by freezy, 30 April 2021 - 10:02 PM.

[TerryRed]

Time well spent... from both you and ravarcade!

[fripounet]

le fait d'être sur unity 2020.3.6f1 lts pose problème sur l'utilisation de vpe ?

faut-il être absolument sur l'ancienne 2020.2 ?

[strikekat]

Freezy - Excellent work. I was impressed with your work on the older JS port (I actually compiled+demoed it at a local user group back then). Of course, like web dev, I'm also not really familiar with Unity3D

Do you guys have testers on Linux, do you need help on that side of things?

[freezy]

@strikekat Oh, nice to hear! Which user group? We don't have any developer using Linux, but we build for it in our CI. If you want, give it a try! AFAIK the Unity editor for Linux is still labeled "experimental", you might encounter a few bumps on the road..