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[Sabbat]

I've already commented earlier in the thread, but I felt the need to make further impressions. 'Cause DAMN, I am addicted to this stupid thing. I'm playing this more than any modern table right now, and I don't even LIKE EMs most of the time. It's nuts. I'm not sure why, but I simply can't stop playing. I mean, the physics are perfect, so the table FEELS delightfully real. I'm sure that helps. But man, seriously, I can't put this thing down.

I'm currently obsessed with flipping that sixth digit. The highest score I've yet managed is 88k. Curse you, sixth digit! Who needs a DMD and modes when that sixth digit is always lurking up in that corner, always at zero, always mocking me. *shakes fist*

This makes me happy I always knew it was a fun and addictive EM, and I was hoping to share that experience with the community. My highscore on my cabinet is 253k right now

On your real machine or your VP cabinet rawd? Because 253k is really good for no extra balls

[Rawd]

On your real machine or your VP cabinet rawd? Because 253k is really good for no extra balls

Vp cabinet.

But here is a picture of me around 25 years ago with my real high score.

[superballs]

This is a great table Rawd

Though this started today, if there is no ball in play, the table is insanely slow, it takes about 45 seconds to register a credit and once it's registered, it takes another minute or so for the ball to get to the plunger.

Once the ball is in play it's back to normal speed.

This wasn't happening last night.
Any ideas?
I busted 149 000 last night and i've never played this tablebefore, suffice it to say, I'm hooked this is certain to be a defining table for VP.

[Rawd]

This is a great table Rawd

Though this started today, if there is no ball in play, the table is insanely slow, it takes about 45 seconds to register a credit and once it's registered, it takes another minute or so for the ball to get to the plunger.

Once the ball is in play it's back to normal speed.

This wasn't happening last night.
Any ideas?
I busted 149 000 last night and i've never played this tablebefore, suffice it to say, I'm hooked this is certain to be a defining table for VP.

Hmm. I have never experienced this with this table or any other. I wonder what might be happening...? Even after a reboot, and restart VP? Does it happen between balls, or just at the start of the game?

Thanks for the nice comments, I'm happy you like the table.

[superballs]

I agree Rawd, it's indeed strange.

I just installed Win7 ultimate,
Reconfigured VP and VPMame
Of course at first all tables were running really slow,
I'm running the most recent ATI drivers on a Radeon HD 2600 mobility (512MB dedicated, it's a gaming laptop)
Once i got all my drivers installed everything was running great
I booted up this morning and it started.

Funny thing that more comple (looking) tables run fine, ie South Park, Super Mario Bros and Eight Ball Deluxe
This happens whenever the ball is not in play, at the beginning of the game or inbetween balls.

I've had a couple balls where it's not done it, i'm trying to discern some sort of pattern but it seems to be more or less, once in a while i'll get lucky and the score reel will count my bonus at a normal speed.

I'm going to try a few things, re-download the table, the nvram and all that.

Any ideas will be greatly appreciated but i'll let you know what i can find out too.

So far i've tried several drivers with and without the catalyst control center.
Unfortunately without the control center i'm unable to contrl things like AA and all that.

[Rawd]

I have absolutely no clue. I was going to suggest that it must be something on your end, because I have not heard from anybody else with this issue, but it seems odd that this is the only table to cause you trouble. Can you try a few other tables that don't require a rom? Has anyone else ever heard of this issue before on another table?

It ran fine for you at one point, so I can't help thinking that it must be something that you changed. I am curious to know what you find out, and I hope you can get it working properly.

[superballs]

I'm thinking the same thing....i'm going to try redownloading the table, i've stripped the drivers back to nothing and re-installed so that's my next step.
I'll post back when i have a solution and i'll try a couple other rom-less tables.

My cpu isn't going above 25% use either. I'm really hoping this isn't GFX card related, i've managed to avoid any ATI issues so far heh heh .

Thanks Rawd even having to wait nearly a minute between balls i can't stop playing this table

Updated:
Re-downloaded the table, no difference
Tried the 4:3 table and it works fine.

Is there another way i can use to reset a table to it's absolute defautls if it's not controlled by a ROM?

Edited by superballs, 28 August 2010 - 08:00 PM.

[Rawd]

My only thought is that maybe your resolution changed, and the table is somehow going 'off-screen'? This may possibly cause a problem.

Try going into the backglass options, and change the X and Y scale to a bit lower of a number.

Is HD render still checked on the table? (I guess it should be if you re-downloaded it)

When it is taking forever to load the ball, can you flip the flippers? Are the bonus sounds slow and choppy?

You've got me concerned, and I am hoping that others are not experiencing this.

[superballs]

I'm not using UVP or Hyperpin yet so i have no options to change the backglass this is simply in VP 9.0.8

The bonus sounds are fine

I can flip the flippers when this is happening and they are animated very smoothly but they are flipping slowly.

Out of sheer curiosity, i tried loading the table (and had to comment out the startshake command) in version 8
The reels reset to 0 just fine and credits registered as soon as i "inserted coin", though once i drained the game was over for me but that's a whole different story.

Resolution is at 1680x1050 for the playfield monitor there is nothing displaying on my secondary monitor (which is my laptops panel) and nothing should be displaying on it yet.

I may not have the rig that a lot of other's have here
My setup is a 2GHz Core 2 Duo
4GB DDR2 (667)
512MB Ati Radeon HD 2600 Pro Mobility

So basically this seems to only be when there's no ball in play

It takes a little while for credits to register and the score reel is very slow when resetting to 0, however in play it runs extremely smooth

With HD Render unchecked the table plays in slow motion that's when loading a ball and in play.
With it checked, the table plays greaty, nice and fast no stutters no problems.

Though even when i redownload the table the score displayed is at 149 000 and some points. Is there any way to reset all that and get a table working from entirely zero?
This is definitely one of the strangest things i've ever seen as i would expect loading the ball to be nice and smooth and the table play to be choppy if it was a system issue...
I'm going to try with one of my displays disabled.

Update:

No Change on only one monitor.

ok I'm uploading a video to youtube of the actual behaviour.

Here's the link

Edited by superballs, 28 August 2010 - 09:35 PM.

[Rawd]

Thanks for the video. I have never seen anything like that before. I am going to try my hardest to recreate the problem, and I am hoping that someone else reading this may have some input.

Click on backdrop, or backglass settings in the vp editor to change the x and y scale numbers, and see if it makes any difference.

To reset your score... Open up the script and delete the ' on the lines that say to do so (near the top of the script). Run the table once and then put the ' back in front of the two lines. High score is the only thing that is saved for this table, and it should not affect the table, but I guess it is worth a try.

[Sabbat]

I've never had an issue like this either. I know i've had games of triple strike not last longer then 45 seconds though so that is brutal!

Edited by Sabbat Moon, 28 August 2010 - 10:38 PM.

[rascal]

Maybe it has something to do with the reels. Those are different from your 4:3 version right?

[superballs]

Thanks Rawd

I tried the Harlam Globetrotters table too.

Although that table uses a ROM i did notice some flipper slowdown right after draining, however as that table isn't counting a bonus in the same wayh exactly it doesnt last nearly as long.

[Rawd]

Maybe it has something to do with the reels. Those are different from your 4:3 version right?

They are the same reels. I just flipped the images sideways, added a 6th reel, and got rid of the post-it note system.

Thanks Rawd

I tried the Harlam Globetrotters table too.

Although that table uses a ROM i did notice some flipper slowdown right after draining, however as that table isn't counting a bonus in the same wayh exactly it doesnt last nearly as long.

So, there is an obvious problem with that table as well though? Try a few more tables and get back to us.

[superballs]

Ok I'll start my list, i'm just rebuilding my list of tables too so bear with me.

Eight Ball Deluxe -> No problem
Harlam Globetrotters -> Only noticeable because I was looking for it

I'll add more as i get them.

Is there a way to get rid of the reels altogether and see if that's a problem?

[Rawd]

Ok I'll start my list, i'm just rebuilding my list of tables too so bear with me.

Eight Ball Deluxe -> No problem
Harlam Globetrotters -> Only noticeable because I was looking for it

I'll add more as i get them.

Is there a way to get rid of the reels altogether and see if that's a problem?

Go to the backbox in the vp editor, and grab all of the reels and images and pull them offscreen (out of the main box). They will still be there and working, but they won't be rendered.. See if that has any effect.

(Don't save the table, and then just exit VP and the changes won't be saved.) (or, save it under a new filename)

Also try turning off the sounds and music in the editor options.., just to see if that does anything. (grasping here)

[superballs]

Ok Rawd. Though, i'm starting to think it hasn't got much to do with reels.

I experienced the same behaviour on Blackjack. Now it was nowhere near as pronounced just that the flippers were a bit slow when it was counting the bonus.

The difference is that the next ball is still starting right away, though i had one instance where it didn't start the next ball. But it looked like it wasn't going to start at all.

I'm still flabbergasted that these seemingly simple tables can do this while i barely get any slowdown at all on newer tables.

I'm willing to resign to the fact that it's my system at this point but really a shame that it had to be on this table.

I think the strangest thing is that the other tables don't have so much lag in the bonus counting department and just get straight on to the next ball.

I dragged the reels off and then tested, no difference, except i had the most amazing single ball i've ever had on the game lol. i'll never find out what that score was :S

Edited by superballs, 29 August 2010 - 03:31 AM.

[Rawd]

..but you can run the 4:3 version with no problem on the same pc and monitor?

The FS version is just a different angle, and the reels layed out differently. I'm at a loss to explain this.

Try taking the 4:3 version, click on backdrop, and put in the FS version numbers, starting with inclination. This will convert the 4:3 version to FS, but it won't change the reels. I am just curious what will happen, if you have time to try that.

[superballs]

Ready for it?

Absolutely ZERO slowdown whatsoever.

Only problem of course are that the scrore reels are sideways but that's almost live with-able at this point heh

[Rawd]

Ready for it?

Absolutely ZERO slowdown whatsoever.

Only problem of course are that the scrore reels are sideways but that's almost live with-able at this point heh

Ok, interesting. I am going to spend some time and make a different FS version with the reels in a bit different place, and see if it makes any difference. I'll send you a pm soon and hopefully we can get to the bottom of this.