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Top 25 Pinball Tables of all-time!
Started By
subzero1970
, May 10 2010 06:08 PM
150 replies to this topic
#41
Posted 29 May 2010 - 05:09 PM
Also, no F-14 Tomcat, Supersonic (Bally) or Black Hole.
Mars, God of War was good too.
"Compassion hurts. When you feel connected to everything, you also feel responsible for everything. And you cannot turn away. Your destiny is bound with the destinies of others. You must either learn to carry the Universe or be crushed by it. You must grow strong enough to love the world, yet empty enough to sit down at the same table with its worst horrors." - Andrew Boyd
#43
Posted 31 May 2010 - 09:45 PM
QUOTE (KloggMonkey @ May 29 2010, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why not redo the poll and have a list of ALL pins and have everyone choose their best 25
and see what the stats look like.
and see what the stats look like.
Umm... sure. Call me when you've done that. Also, I believe our board software doesn't support that many poll choices. Alternative: Have everybody go to the IPDB and let everybody write their top pins down - then they post them here. Ridiculous effort involved, but it'd be kinda effective.
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#44
Posted 03 June 2010 - 05:40 AM
QUOTE (Greywolf @ May 28 2010, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's no EMs on the list at all. Kinda tilted, don't you think?
Also, where's Firepower, Black Knight (original), Flash, Stellar Wars [don't knock that one -- it's mean!], and NO atari games?!?
To think that The Best Pinballs were *all* in [put your 10-year-spread here] is lunacy at worst, short-sighted at best.
For sheer flipping madness/stupidity, I nominate Spring Break. It's a mindless game, but delightfully so.
Also, where's Firepower, Black Knight (original), Flash, Stellar Wars [don't knock that one -- it's mean!], and NO atari games?!?
To think that The Best Pinballs were *all* in [put your 10-year-spread here] is lunacy at worst, short-sighted at best.
For sheer flipping madness/stupidity, I nominate Spring Break. It's a mindless game, but delightfully so.
Stellar Wars is great, and as for Spring Break, I hated the design but yet kept pumping in the quarters on that game!
I could have been smart, but I never learned anything by being smart!
#46
Posted 18 June 2010 - 05:54 AM
Medieval Madness is overrated and that list is limiting.
IPDB.org is much more accurate featuring the most complete list of SS and EM pinball tables. Therefore we get:
Top 10 Player Rated SS Games
#1 Twilight Zone (Bally,1993)
#2 The Addams Family (Bally,1992)
#3 Indiana Jones: The Pinball Adventure (Williams,1993)
#4 Star Trek: The Next Generation (Williams,1993)
#5 Medieval Madness (Williams,1997)
#6 Cirqus Voltaire (Bally,1997)
#7 Creature from the Black Lagoon (Bally,1992)
#8 Theatre of Magic (Bally,1995)
#9 Tales of the Arabian Nights (Williams,1996)
#10 The Lord of the Rings (Stern,2003)
Also see the Top 300 lists.
Top 10 Player Rated EM Games
#1 World Fair (Gottlieb,1964)
#2 Joker Poker (Gottlieb,1978)
#3 North Star (Gottlieb,1964)
#4 Gigi (Gottlieb,1963)
#5 Diamond Jack (Gottlieb,1967)
#6 Dancing Lady (Gottlieb,1966)
#7 Central Park (Gottlieb,1966)
#8 Fireball (Bally,1972)
#9 Wild Wild West (Gottlieb,1969)
#10 Volley (Gottlieb,1976)
That's much more like it!
IPDB.org is much more accurate featuring the most complete list of SS and EM pinball tables. Therefore we get:
Top 10 Player Rated SS Games
#1 Twilight Zone (Bally,1993)
#2 The Addams Family (Bally,1992)
#3 Indiana Jones: The Pinball Adventure (Williams,1993)
#4 Star Trek: The Next Generation (Williams,1993)
#5 Medieval Madness (Williams,1997)
#6 Cirqus Voltaire (Bally,1997)
#7 Creature from the Black Lagoon (Bally,1992)
#8 Theatre of Magic (Bally,1995)
#9 Tales of the Arabian Nights (Williams,1996)
#10 The Lord of the Rings (Stern,2003)
Also see the Top 300 lists.
Top 10 Player Rated EM Games
#1 World Fair (Gottlieb,1964)
#2 Joker Poker (Gottlieb,1978)
#3 North Star (Gottlieb,1964)
#4 Gigi (Gottlieb,1963)
#5 Diamond Jack (Gottlieb,1967)
#6 Dancing Lady (Gottlieb,1966)
#7 Central Park (Gottlieb,1966)
#8 Fireball (Bally,1972)
#9 Wild Wild West (Gottlieb,1969)
#10 Volley (Gottlieb,1976)
That's much more like it!
#48
Posted 26 June 2010 - 02:09 AM
QUOTE (subzero1970 @ May 10 2010, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please choose one from the list above, I am building a list of the top 25 pinballs, as chosen by you the VP community and then I will be adding them to a new pinball section at www.retrofusion.org.uk which is a brilliant new retro website 
Please make your choice
Please make your choice
I'd suggest you ask the admitted extreme pinheads on here to give you their lists, privately, contrast and compare...
I have played 10x more tables on just emulators or PC games than I have live, so I don't feel qualified.
Superman for instance would be in my top 25, but only #267 on that megalist.
#50
Posted 14 July 2010 - 06:40 AM
EM:
I agree with Popotte on that one. The reason being is there isn't enough opinions left there from the hundreds of pins listed. I am not saying I am a world beater, though I am very good, but I have played them all when the pins were new!! I was around during the sixties and seventies, being the mid 50'ish person that I am, and even rating the top ems of all time are crazily out of whack. Within the Gottlieb EM faithful there are arguments about 60's small flipper vs 70's large flipper machines. The sixties machines were money makers because the small flippers limited even on a great game the chances of keeping the ball from draining down the huge hole sdtm or outlanes almost wide enough to include an inlane. The seventies, in my opionion, changed all that. The advent of inlanes and large flippers led to much more controlled aiming and setup shots, to win free games. The skill levels increased for those that had already spent a decade or more with the sixties machines. When games became less money-making from winning special after special, due to an advanced player owning the table, the add-a-ball became popular with the vendors/routemen cause every new game cost money. Having lived on the west coast (Arizona and California) in the 60' - 79' all the games were special orientated either with high score special or red light. In the midwest I noticed that all the collectors have add-a-ball versions of the old classics ems. The bottom line is that a skilled player could play for free at an arcade, bowling alley, or bar all night out west. In a single game I could rack up 3-5 sometimes 8-10 specials, that would keep you drinking and playing during the few bad luck/bad bounce games. In the midwest there is a premium for adding balls so you get a HIGH SCORE, but maybe only one high score replay and a few extra balls, which was great for the old ems high scores, but after a very good game you might win one or two free games on high scores with the extra ball, but none on red light specials. So you end up, in the long term, spending more money on the Add-a-ball then the ones set up for specials.
I feel sad for those who never got to play the classic gottlieb em's from the 70's in perfect condition. (Fast Draw, 2001, El Dorado, High Hand, Drop-A-Card, Lucky Hand, Jumpin Jack, Volley, Free Fall/Sky Jump, Spirit of '76, Jungle, Joker Poker etc etc, and there are dozens I have left out from the sixties) I gotta laugh at some of those polls and what place those got ranked. El Dorado ......47th......meh!!!. That single game has the longest skills shots in all of pinball and will test your reflexes and hone your skills like no other!! It was one of the Players favorites out west.
Quite honestly in polling it would be nice if the responses are from people who actually played the games on numerous occsion IRL. Finding a perfect Medieval Madness to play...Is PRICELESS but near impossible, but trying to say it is better than half the games on the poll list is not doing justice to the others. A fair representation would be to list your ten favorite that you have played and have a point system in place where #1 got a logarythmic amount of points compared to #2, #3, #4 etc.Then in an agreed upon timespan...say two weeks compile the results and issue the winner. Granted the poll itself may not be able to handle ten inputs. And if you cannot get over 100 responses then you should probably throw out the results. LOL
SS:
There are a few games I would rate equal or better than MM, if I had played them, like AFM. I wouldn't vote for a game I haven't played, even if everyone else says its great. Spiderman plays extremely well, is fast and is a blast., IJ93 is 20 times harder than the emulation,drain city, But still begs to be played. I voted for MM, because I found two machines in Milwaukee and have logged about four hours on the two. Thats not alot of time but, it was so much fun, because they were set up level and were fairly new, and I won about a dozen free games on them.
Trust Me
, don't under estimate an EM pin:
Whether it be a 70's or a modern pin: Strip all the toys, bells, whistles, DMD games, story lines, and humungous rule sets in the end its all about flipper control, aiming, reaction time and a bit of luck!!!!
I agree with Popotte on that one. The reason being is there isn't enough opinions left there from the hundreds of pins listed. I am not saying I am a world beater, though I am very good, but I have played them all when the pins were new!! I was around during the sixties and seventies, being the mid 50'ish person that I am, and even rating the top ems of all time are crazily out of whack. Within the Gottlieb EM faithful there are arguments about 60's small flipper vs 70's large flipper machines. The sixties machines were money makers because the small flippers limited even on a great game the chances of keeping the ball from draining down the huge hole sdtm or outlanes almost wide enough to include an inlane. The seventies, in my opionion, changed all that. The advent of inlanes and large flippers led to much more controlled aiming and setup shots, to win free games. The skill levels increased for those that had already spent a decade or more with the sixties machines. When games became less money-making from winning special after special, due to an advanced player owning the table, the add-a-ball became popular with the vendors/routemen cause every new game cost money. Having lived on the west coast (Arizona and California) in the 60' - 79' all the games were special orientated either with high score special or red light. In the midwest I noticed that all the collectors have add-a-ball versions of the old classics ems. The bottom line is that a skilled player could play for free at an arcade, bowling alley, or bar all night out west. In a single game I could rack up 3-5 sometimes 8-10 specials, that would keep you drinking and playing during the few bad luck/bad bounce games. In the midwest there is a premium for adding balls so you get a HIGH SCORE, but maybe only one high score replay and a few extra balls, which was great for the old ems high scores, but after a very good game you might win one or two free games on high scores with the extra ball, but none on red light specials. So you end up, in the long term, spending more money on the Add-a-ball then the ones set up for specials.
I feel sad for those who never got to play the classic gottlieb em's from the 70's in perfect condition. (Fast Draw, 2001, El Dorado, High Hand, Drop-A-Card, Lucky Hand, Jumpin Jack, Volley, Free Fall/Sky Jump, Spirit of '76, Jungle, Joker Poker etc etc, and there are dozens I have left out from the sixties) I gotta laugh at some of those polls and what place those got ranked. El Dorado ......47th......meh!!!. That single game has the longest skills shots in all of pinball and will test your reflexes and hone your skills like no other!! It was one of the Players favorites out west.
Quite honestly in polling it would be nice if the responses are from people who actually played the games on numerous occsion IRL. Finding a perfect Medieval Madness to play...Is PRICELESS but near impossible, but trying to say it is better than half the games on the poll list is not doing justice to the others. A fair representation would be to list your ten favorite that you have played and have a point system in place where #1 got a logarythmic amount of points compared to #2, #3, #4 etc.Then in an agreed upon timespan...say two weeks compile the results and issue the winner. Granted the poll itself may not be able to handle ten inputs. And if you cannot get over 100 responses then you should probably throw out the results. LOL
SS:
There are a few games I would rate equal or better than MM, if I had played them, like AFM. I wouldn't vote for a game I haven't played, even if everyone else says its great. Spiderman plays extremely well, is fast and is a blast., IJ93 is 20 times harder than the emulation,drain city, But still begs to be played. I voted for MM, because I found two machines in Milwaukee and have logged about four hours on the two. Thats not alot of time but, it was so much fun, because they were set up level and were fairly new, and I won about a dozen free games on them.
Trust Me
Whether it be a 70's or a modern pin: Strip all the toys, bells, whistles, DMD games, story lines, and humungous rule sets in the end its all about flipper control, aiming, reaction time and a bit of luck!!!!
Edited by ANDROID, 14 July 2010 - 06:45 AM.
#52
Posted 11 August 2010 - 10:39 PM
QUOTE (kristian @ Jul 21 2010, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No Black Knight... probably the most revolutionary table of its time.
And not a single early 80's table I see... what a completely useless poll...!!
And not a single early 80's table I see... what a completely useless poll...!!
That is sooooo true...
[proud owner of a Williams Solar Fire]
- It's called "The American Dream" because you have to be asleep to believe it.
George Carlin
- Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant intelligence.
Henrik Tikkanen
- "Reality check, Michelle, Talk about composure, Total lack of. He's a man-- About-- 12 Feet Tall--"
Carrie Kelly
- It's called "The American Dream" because you have to be asleep to believe it.
George Carlin
- Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant intelligence.
Henrik Tikkanen
- "Reality check, Michelle, Talk about composure, Total lack of. He's a man-- About-- 12 Feet Tall--"
Carrie Kelly
#55
Posted 15 August 2010 - 08:24 PM
QUOTE (1234fd @ Aug 12 2010, 01:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have an idea for an even more useless poll:
Was this poll usefull?
1š: yes
2š: no
3š: I donīt know
4š Donīt give a damn.
Was this poll usefull?
1š: yes
2š: no
3š: I donīt know
4š Donīt give a damn.
#56
Posted 04 September 2010 - 02:31 PM
I couldn't take part in the poll because it completely ignored/overlooked early EMs, commercial Flipperless, counter top games, and trade stimulators. But then, if I did such a poll, I doubt I'd get much response. Hopefully I can change that when I start uploading some of my stuff soon.
John
#57
Posted 04 September 2010 - 03:00 PM
QUOTE (tiltjlp @ Sep 4 2010, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I couldn't take part in the poll because it completely ignored/overlooked early EMs, commercial Flipperless, counter top games, and trade stimulators. But then, if I did such a poll, I doubt I'd get much response. Hopefully I can change that when I start uploading some of my stuff soon.
Go ahead!
From Brasil. Updated version of 1234fd
#58
Posted 04 September 2010 - 05:02 PM
QUOTE (1234fd @ Sep 4 2010, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (tiltjlp @ Sep 4 2010, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I couldn't take part in the poll because it completely ignored/overlooked early EMs, commercial Flipperless, counter top games, and trade stimulators. But then, if I did such a poll, I doubt I'd get much response. Hopefully I can change that when I start uploading some of my stuff soon.
Go ahead!
I second this
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#59
Posted 06 September 2010 - 01:46 AM
To provide a credible poll covering the entire spectrum of pinball you should allow members to specify their top 5. Correlate this data to obtain your list then let everyone vote on that, its fair, diverse and accurate to our community. The poll will then have substance and wont seem bias to your preference, which is clearly modern. Make those TRAGICS narrow their beloved's to 5, that'll keep em busy for a while
The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they'll be when you kill them.
#60
Posted 25 September 2010 - 05:48 PM
QUOTE (subzero1970 @ May 10 2010, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please choose one from the list above, I am building a list of the top 25 pinballs, as chosen by you the VP community and then I will be adding them to a new pinball section at www.retrofusion.org.uk which is a brilliant new retro website 
Please make your choice
Please make your choice
Sub O:
too many great tables.
what about some great oldies from the 70s.
i played real pb tables as far back as the 70s.
go to www.irpb.org.
DL capt fantastic and kickoff/quarterback in 70s tables.
capt fantastic will not work in vp9 for FS. vr slope error.
play in vp8.
if anybody has a solution on how to get capt fantastic to play in vp9 rotate would you please post it on the home page with a new thread and detailed instuctions.
kickoff/quaterback will rotate and play in vp905.
cosmic princess 1980 is a very good table.
dl some oldies from irpb.
alot of the irpb tables rotate and play ok in 905.
edited/moved or disabled decals and maybe some other images out of the playfield.
enabled reels.
i moved the scoring reels, credits etc... to the bottom or to the plunger launch for FS.



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