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[wiesshund]

See, you like that FOV, which is fine, its your VR and your PC

 

Around 2:34
Like that is about as far as i would get away from the table, like ever.
So of course i would have to look up, to see the backglass.
Most of the time though, you are way farther back than i would want to be

 

But again, I would expect to look up to see it, because i have to look up playing a real one

because i dont exactly stand behind the table.

 

I like how you yanked the manual out of the cab
i will have to find the table that i put all the solenoids and stuff under the playfield on

It was obviously a pretty wasted effort, cause it is pretty pointless, but it was kind of amusing to watch them moving around operating things.
 

[Rawd]

See, you like that FOV, which is fine, its your VR and your PC

 

My FOV is the same as everyone elses on a Quest2.

 

Around 2:34
Like that is about as far as i would get away from the table, like ever.

 

At 2:34 I am standing at my stubby holding the flipper buttons, and in VR, it looks like a real machine is in front of me (no need to look up at the backglass).   I guess its tough to come across in a video.  In the video it looks like I am standing further back than at the machine.  (and the video is also cutting off 35 or more percent of the vertical FOV)

 

The manual and coin door thing is cool in VR    Yeah, mostly a gimmick, but I have used it to cycle through rom options when I am testing my Backglass flashers and things when working on them, so it has come in handy.  I am going to eventually add a real coin door to my cab that opens the VR one with a door switch.

Edited by Rawd, 06 September 2021 - 07:06 AM.

[wiesshund]

Really what i would use VR for more than pinball is combat flight and armored sims, the ones that would actually support it properly

Unfortunately even at the top end of the price range, the clarity and resolution is not there, too many small things that must be read
and too many hostile things that must be identified by a miniscule silhouette and stuff like that, and even with the highest resolution ones they make
it just isnt there yet, im giving myself a headache trying to see if you have the rest of it set up for what is otherwise a proper view.
(Proper meaning proper for a given cockpit etc)

One day they will have them in a screendoorless 4k per eye resolution, i probably wont be alive, but someone will

 

Pinball wise, why VR would be nice for, to me anyways, is also pretty much impossible
Not due to VR but due to the business end of things being incapable of feeding the VR properly

And that would be when on laptop, but i dont know that even a super overly priced gaming laptop could actually feed the thing properly

and if you cant feed a VR headset properly, it doesnt work worth a crap at no fault of the headset.

I mean i can play on my laptop in cab style, but it is a laptop, it has a 14" 720p screen
and it is an older laptop, so the LCD and the words View Angle do not exactly exist in the same sentence .
You kind of have to find the odd sweet spot, and keep your butt there, but at least i have a backglass
that can also make phone calls to order pizza

 

Now if you want to know "What is playing on a 14" cab like?"

I wrote a book on it, it is entitled

'How to lose 3 balls, in 30 seconds or less'

[bpjacobsen]

I watched the video and yes it looks quite cool. but I wear glasses when I play and I just can't see how it would be comfy. And I don't think you would get as much of the real feeling you get with the full cab. It just seems pointless to me if I already have a cab. So it would seem like I was turning 'Virtual Pinball' into Virtual Virtual pinball. Almost like a simulation of the real thing that I already have. Don't get me wrong, I don't have experience with VR so I'm just speaking based on what I see in the video vs my own full cab. The idea of wearing a big set of VR goggles with glasses just seems like it would be more of a hassle than just sticking with the 'real' thing. I would love to try it though but I just don't have 300 bucks to 'try it'. I am an r/c aircraft hobbyist also and that in itself gets expensive. (another whole ball of wax) lol. Dunno, maybe someday. I have VP setup on my mame arcade cab so technically that could double as a pinstubby if I ever decided to sell the cab. But that is gonna be hard to part with. Only time will tell.

Edited by bpjacobsen, 20 October 2021 - 03:13 PM.

[wiesshund]

I watched the video and yes it looks quite cool. but I wear glasses when I play and I just can't see how it would be comfy. And I don't think you would get as much of the real feeling you get with the full cab. It just seems pointless to me if I already have a cab. So it would seem like I was turning 'Virtual Pinball' into Virtual Virtual pinball. Almost like a simulation of the real thing that I already have. Don't get me wrong, I don't have experience with VR so I'm just speaking based on what I see in the video vs my own full cab. The idea of wearing a big set of VR goggles with glasses just seems like it would be more of a hassle than just sticking with the 'real' thing. I would love to try it though but I just don't have 300 bucks to 'try it'. I am an r/c aircraft hobbyist also and that in itself gets expensive. (another whole ball of wax) lol. Dunno, maybe someday. I have VP setup on my mame arcade cab so technically that could double as a pinstubby if I ever decided to sell the cab. But that is gonna be hard to part with. Only time will tell.

 

At least with VR vpx, the VStab does not come unattached in flight, hitting the elevator and shearing off the servo horn causing you to watch your P51D
cruise, inverted, over the rise and go POP on the other side of the hill

[Redwings13]

Kinda like the time I flew my drone into the power lines in my backyard. It’s just a hobby I kept telling myself.

[bpjacobsen]

Yeah, I been beating up my one wing trying to troubleshoot why I keep losing control mid flight. Lucky for me it's EPP and nearly indestructible. lol (this is a long-winded thread in rcgroups that I started) (sorry, didn't mean to get off topic here)

[wiesshund]

Kinda like the time I flew my drone into the power lines in my backyard. It’s just a hobby I kept telling myself.

 

LOL, not quite the same though, as building a full balsa and monokote world engines 125 powered P51D kit
and then retrieving a pile of scrap wood and radio parts and engine and half a prop from the other side of a hill.

 

3D foamies are so much less traumatic when you crash them, and dont take 4 months to build

 

I shall not mention the pulse jet that spontaneously burst into flames
at 70mph
Did you know that a pulse jet no longer needs wings, or a radio, to keep flying?

[bpjacobsen]

 

Kinda like the time I flew my drone into the power lines in my backyard. It’s just a hobby I kept telling myself.

 

LOL, not quite the same though, as building a full balsa and monokote world engines 125 powered P51D kit
and then retrieving a pile of scrap wood and radio parts and engine and half a prop from the other side of a hill.

 

3D foamies are so much less traumatic when you crash them, and dont take 4 months to build

 

I shall not mention the pulse jet that spontaneously burst into flames
at 70mph
Did you know that a pulse jet no longer needs wings, or a radio, to keep flying?

 

Yeah, I had a 65 inch balsa high wing (Stenson) got all of 2 minutes of flight on it before it decided to flip over and spiral to the ground in a pile of rubbish. still don't know what happened. but that is just the worst feeling. knowing you spent hrs building it only to see it turn into dumpster stew in maiden flight. 

 

So getting back to this VR stuff, I do have a question. My vp cab is running an internally build pc with the following specs:

Intel® Core™ i7-9700K CPU @ 3.60GHz

16gb of ram

XFX Radeon RX 580 GTS Black Edition 1405MHz OC+, 8gb 256bit GDDR5, DX12 VR Ready, Double Dissipation, Dual BIOS, 3xDP HDMI DVI, PCI-E AMD Graphics Card

would the above hardware handle the VPVR stuff OK? (if I did decide to get the quest 2)

[wiesshund]

It would yes, but not at todays normal vr resolution

When the RX 580 came it it was very VT capable, but the resolution of VR devices was not what it is now
Remember in VR everything renders twice, so it is a lot of work to do the 2 images and get the 3rd part right.

 

I do not think it will run VR fast enough on a modern VR headset for you to be happy
and an old gen one is too low of resolution for you to be happy in VPX

 

The RX580 came out before 4K gaming was also a thing really
It will do 4K but it will probably do it at about 40 or 60 fps, i forget which.

Now at 2k it will scream.

 

The 8GB part is pretty much lost on VPX as we do not require much texture memory at all

 

I would try running that card between 1450 and 1480 GPU and 1800 to 1850 VRAM and see what kind of FPS you can pull off in a 4K virtual super resolution

If you can maintain a decent FPS, eh it might do ok in VR but it wont be optimal i do not think, i may be wrong though.

 

I have the MSI RX 580 X gamer, usually i dont turn anything down, except FSAA because beyond 4x FSAA it is a case of diminishing returns at 2K or higher resolutions
due to more pixels, usually 2x or none depending on the game, some need none
VPX the only choice is 4x forced, which is fine as i run vsync on anyways which is less than the uncapped FPS

[Redwings13]

Kinda like my Catalina (WIP), I’m sure I’ll be picking up the pieces some day in the near future.

sorry about getting off topic again.

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[wiesshund]

Kinda like my Catalina (WIP), I’m sure I’ll be picking up the pieces some day in the near future.

sorry about getting off topic again.

Coming soon

To a wood bin near you

[bpjacobsen]

It would yes, but not at todays normal vr resolution

When the RX 580 came it it was very VT capable, but the resolution of VR devices was not what it is now
Remember in VR everything renders twice, so it is a lot of work to do the 2 images and get the 3rd part right.

 

I do not think it will run VR fast enough on a modern VR headset for you to be happy
and an old gen one is too low of resolution for you to be happy in VPX

 

The RX580 came out before 4K gaming was also a thing really
It will do 4K but it will probably do it at about 40 or 60 fps, i forget which.

Now at 2k it will scream.

 

The 8GB part is pretty much lost on VPX as we do not require much texture memory at all

 

I would try running that card between 1450 and 1480 GPU and 1800 to 1850 VRAM and see what kind of FPS you can pull off in a 4K virtual super resolution

If you can maintain a decent FPS, eh it might do ok in VR but it wont be optimal i do not think, i may be wrong though.

 

I have the MSI RX 580 X gamer, usually i dont turn anything down, except FSAA because beyond 4x FSAA it is a case of diminishing returns at 2K or higher resolutions
due to more pixels, usually 2x or none depending on the game, some need none
VPX the only choice is 4x forced, which is fine as i run vsync on anyways which is less than the uncapped FPS

So let's just say I wanted to replace the card in the cab with something that will be future proof. It would handle 4k and anything VR you throw at it. Just curious would you would suggest that would not break that bank if that is even possible.

[wiesshund]

So let's just say I wanted to replace the card in the cab with something that will be future proof. It would handle 4k and anything VR you throw at it. Just curious would you would suggest that would not break that bank if that is even possible.

 

 

 

 

Well, i am not sure you can do future proof on VR
eventually they will get the resolution up to 4k per eye, if consumer interest in VR remains high
and i dont know that even the current top dog video cards would do that efficiently?

But i think that any card that can run 4k at over 60fps should probably do very well in VR?

 

Harder to answer what does it with out breaking the bank, as i have no idea what the bank is, but trying to go "Future Proof" and "Not breaking the bank"
seems a bit ad odds with each other.

 

RTX 3090 or RX 6900xt are about as future proof as one can get right now

which 2 years from now will be considered old LOL

[nromo]

Well, my case is a little different.

I now own 8 real pinball machines so not concerned about the multiplayer aspect of VR pinball. I own the Reverb G2 and planned to get the GTX3080 before SHTF! Now I'll be waiting until supposedly 2023 to build a new computer to run VPX VR. But no interest in pancake pinball. I can run that on my desktop in portrait with the controller I built with I-Pac. I'm surprised VPX VR with SSF isn't more popular at this point?

What are you guys using for load drivers since Pinscape is no longer available? I was thinking about using a couple flipper contactors and shaker motor in the stubby cab.

Edited by nromo, 29 December 2021 - 06:02 PM.

[GlueSniffinEd]

Definitely would do a cab again, and I will be building a new cab someday, when it is needed for the new VPE stuff. I have an Oculus Quest 2 and I plan on doing VR on my gaming PC with an RTX 3060, but I'm not in a hurry to get into setting that up.  I'm what the younger generation would probably call a 'boomer', but the cab is way too much fun with friends and a few beers to go full VR.  Even the wife plays it with me; she won't even consider putting on a VR headset.

[freneticamnesic]

It depends on the situation for me. I'd build another cab if I had the space, I just don't right now. So VR is the cheaper and easier option, not just a dedicated machine that only does one thing, and only sometimes

[fripounet]

with cloud computing.

I am waiting for all the vpe tables to be poured into a metaverse.

so we will have the biggest pinball show (exposition) in the world.))))

[TallaNasty312]

Nothing is future proof. Always "build to upgrade" when it comes to a project like this. Modular PSU, ditch the glue for the screw, focus on capability (do the cab), make room for an ATX motherboard and leave lots of space.

[onemanproject]

VR is the future and you have an advantage of real 3-D view. If you use a cabinet you will only have a 2-D view (flat).