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[GHOSTfaceKILLr7]

 

You need to cut the B.S. You would never give Bigus1 permission. We all know he has a reputation. 

 

 

 

 

 

You need to read the post Hero!

 

"I dont recall you ever reaching out about BOP but to be fair, I have not been very active around here since 2020 or so. Had I seen you had reached out, I would have said "have at it" assuming it was not some no-value-add lighting/physics revision like you are so famous for. However, I would even have suggested some things that the table could have certainly used, and supported you."

 

"Now with all of this said, I will offer you some advice. Consider taking a table with the authors permission and plan on making substantial improvements that will elevate it well above its current state. I will guarantee that the author will have absolutely have no objections to this. Take my FH table and do it, and I will be the first to applaud you. In fact, the scaling of the playfield is a bit off. You might consider scaling the PF to actual size and re-positioning everything accordingly. If you were to do something like that, again, I would be the first to applaud you. Now that would be a real makeover with some significant value add that goes beyond a lighting and physics tweak."

 

I explained here the proper way to ask permission ACCORDING to the site rules, and have basically said I would be fine with him doing it as well. But, I would request that some real value-add (major changes again according to the rules) be included. I even said I would tell him what it really needs, such as a re-scaling the PF image.

The rules for asking permission is crystal clear but a clear definition on what requirements you need to meet in order to be considered as major changes / real value of work does not exist. I've checked the rules and it is extremely vague at best. What we are getting is subjective opinions on where that threshold is.

[wrd1972]

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Agreed, and a very reasonable statement. Throw in some class and respect, we would not need any rules IMO.

 

The whole thing is just unfortunate, and can be handled much better. Crazy thing is, I am not familiar with a similar situation like this with any other member in this community, at least since I have been a part of it. Just saying.

 

And like you said. Yes, he has a reputation, but that's the bed he made for himself as a result of his actions and attitude. Plus, the countless amount of people he has pissed off - many which no longer contribute here, speaks volumes. There is common denominator here, and it cant be everyone else.

 

Maybe one day he will actually work to be classy rather than taking the "rules gave me permission" mindset which is akin to giving the virtual middle finger to the other content providers.

[danomyte]

Not trying to stir the pot and not picking side either as they are both great tables but I the Bigus table seems more fun to play.  I don't know if its the physics or what.  It is beyond me as I don't have the table making background you all have.  I am just thankful for you all. 

[htamas]

It's likely that the physics changes are responsible for this feeling ("more fun" = easier).

It is quite typical in his mods, including this one.

Yes, I compared the two and like the gameplay of wrd1972's version a lot better because it is more difficult.

[danomyte]

You are right htamus it is easier.  For pro's like you a harder gamer is probably more fun but for an old fart like me then easier is more fun for me.  Now I get get some of the Rudy reactions I couldn't get in the past.    Peace all.  

[Toady]

hate to ask this, but why is my mirror all white? no wording.

[bigus1]

Speaking shit as usual htamas. The physics are barely changed as wrd1972 claimed to own the machine and to have done the physics, so I left them as is, because it played well enough. I made some changes as part of the ball trap fix but that's it.  As for other tables, better physics make the game easier to play than bad physics. Simple.

[hcj13]

Speaking shit as usual htamas. The physics are barely changed as wrd1972 claimed to own the machine and to have done the physics, so I left them as is, because it played well enough. I made some changes as part of the ball trap fix but that's it.  As for other tables, better physics make the game easier to play than bad physics. Simple.

Funhouse (Williams 1990)_Bigus(MOD) 1.0

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This fun table from wrd1972, shoopity and jpsalas is a real community effort.
This is a makeover of the 2017 1.2d version with a better playfield.
Enjoy 

 

What's New in Version 1.0 (See full changelog)

• 1.0 Playfield, lights, lighting, layout, physics, sound

 

 

But Bigus, you said you changed the physics......

then said in last post you left it as is....

 

which one is it?

[bigus1]

Try the next sentence about the ball trap and give-up trying to catch me out, because it never succeeds.

[remdwaas1986]

This only makes me laugh again! Thank you bogus, for another table with your name on it. You say you changed the physics on tables, then people react on it that it plays nice. Then you say that you barely changed it on this table(be honest, you didn't do anything). trying to upscale an image with this kind of minor changes is not even a MOD.

I so agree on wrd1972. How much times it take to build things and that people like you just put your name on other people work it's disgusting and a big disappointment to the hobby.

You say you are so good with lightning, i said to you before, help me out and i reupload it and thank you under the release. But you only steeling somebody's work and put your name on it.

Because of your drama and no protection on the files I don't update my files here anymore. It's a hobby so it has to be fun. Your reactions to others only makes people leave this site. I rather spend my time where it is fun!

Then you can ask why i even bother to react? It's because of people who are getting pissed of by you, maybe thats your drive, or that is the person who you are.

Don't get me wrong I love to help people out and talk to JP and other members here, because i have a great respect for these guys. I'm grateful for this site and the people that are serious.

[STAT]

bigus, why you don't join to the VPW Group ... and offer your skills ? And this is not a Joke!

 

If its your opinion, you can help out in a Build / or make all Tables better, so this would be my next Step!

 

So come on, move to the "good side" ( i hope you know, what i mean )

 

I downloaded some of your Mods, yeah some are ok, but - not all, even not FH, because they are in an awesome State - nothing could be better,
exc. Lights here and there, bright/dark, thats all personaly Views

Edited by STAT, 01 February 2023 - 10:20 AM.

[bigus1]

I was invited to join VPW from the outset, but I politely declined.  Lighting is hugely important as the VPW guys would surely agree, and with the quality of elements on the tables that VPW and I work on, there's not a whole lot of improvement to be gained in other areas. The elements on the X-Men tables are basically the same, for instance.  I'd say physics is more the personal preference.

On maybe 2 of my 154 releases will you find "bigus" anywhere on the table itself. Remove it from the filename and you'd never know, so this suggestion that I'm on some ego-driven quest to have my name of every table and nothing else is pure fantasy. Folks even hassle me about not putting my name on it.

 

I expect this table to follow the path of Bride of Pinbot and end-up with new lighting and physics, and restricted on another site without being shared here. Respect.

[Armyaviation]

I cant believe me missed out at all this talent over at VPW

Edited by Armyaviation, 01 February 2023 - 01:11 PM.

[danomyte]

Hi,  Not trying to piss people off as I know it's important to give people credit where credit is due.  Especially when a lot of time and effort go into these tables.  Its a skill and gift I do not have but am in awe of all you people who do your magic.  Once again thanks.   I am also in awe of those who help with support or provide this great website.  Thank you.  Thank you. Thank you.

 

With the above said, to me when I see a table whether it be a JP, Skitso or even a Bigus table its more than just who made the table (although that is huge in itself, see previous paragraph) but its also a "brand" or "type" for lack of a better word.  I know what to expect when I get a JP table (desktop and cabinet friendly, no Gottlieb brand but usually Taito, very polished and extremely rare there is any bugs and always a hassle free setup and play).  I really love EM's as much as solid states so I love the Loserman76 "brand".  May he rest in peace. A Skitso will always be very extremely detailed with a lot of cool mods and YES a Bigus table has its own brand as well which I have come to expect.  Such as a certain style of lighting that goes well on my cabinet.  It has very good physics.  I can hit a Rudy consistently or actually nail the train in Adams family more frequently as I would on other vpx tables like I normally would on the actual real tables.  I do know what I am talking about here as I own 14 real pins and have access to over 100 real tables in my area.   

 

It's funny, I never met any of you and probably never will but I fill like your some long lost buddies with your own personality and style and wouldn't change any of you for the world.  I guess what I am trying to say in addition to being thankful to you all it really pains me when such talent can't get along and gets vicious.  I realize disagreement and freedom of speech is important and harnesses a lot of good things but I really hope you can all find some common ground and become stronger friends as result.  Also keep the conversation civil.  I applaud Stat's constant great diplomacy.  

 

Finally, I am a little gun shy to hit the "post" button on this post because I am sure I pissed someone off with my letter which was only meant to say thanks and help mediate a dispute.  In a rarity I once tried to help someone with a problem in the forum (alias file related) and said something not accurate in my support and had my head ripped off.  If I said something wrong or if there was a better way then fine but why chew the head off of someone trying to help?  I hope this hobby doesn't destroy itself.  It has enough obstacles as it is.  Peace.  I repeat peace. 

[Noah Fentz]

Hi everyone!

 

First, let me say that I feel it's not bigus being disrespectful here. I see a LONG list of contributors to this table, and it's a helluva lot better than most releases I see in that aspect. Literally everyone he knows about is listed.

 

I must also point out this table is a derivative of JP's table, who has given blanket permission to MOD his tables, and, therefore, ALL subsequent MODs are FREE TO MOD. I point this out numerous times in the guidelines and the following discussions.

 

I shouldn't have to deal with people ganging up on a member after the fact. If you have a problem with someone, or something, HIT ME UP. Don't go ranting on the board and pissing everyone off. Just piss me off. That's what I'm here for.

 

Thank you.

[Wylte]

Hi everyone!

 

First, let me say that I feel it's not bigus being disrespectful here. I see a LONG list of contributors to this table, and it's a helluva lot better than most releases I see in that aspect. Literally everyone he knows about is listed.

 

I must also point out this table is a derivative of JP's table, who has given blanket permission to MOD his tables, and, therefore, ALL subsequent MODs are FREE TO MOD. I point this out numerous times in the guidelines and the following discussions.

 

I shouldn't have to deal with people ganging up on a member after the fact. If you have a problem with someone, or something, HIT ME UP. Don't go ranting on the board and pissing everyone off. Just piss me off. That's what I'm here for.

 

Thank you.

This thread brings up some need for clarification on the rules.

 

"If you'd like to MOD another author's work, please contact them. It's the right thing to do. If, after 30 days, you receive no response, you are free to MOD it."

So is this entirely optional on tables that are free to MOD initially?  And if not, how will it be determined/enforced?  You said "I strongly believe contact should be made in every instance" but is that just your opinion as a person, not a moderator?

 

Also, what is the determination for "We also don't need 50 versions of the same table! To be approved, there must be MAJOR changes made from the original" and who gets to make that judgement?

 

"Credit to all previous authors is always required."  If there's evidence that credit to an author was scrubbed from a file, how does one go about reporting it?  (Bigus1 removed credit to Thalamus from Centaur, just to get to the point)

[Noah Fentz]

 

Hi everyone!

 

First, let me say that I feel it's not bigus being disrespectful here. I see a LONG list of contributors to this table, and it's a helluva lot better than most releases I see in that aspect. Literally everyone he knows about is listed.

 

I must also point out this table is a derivative of JP's table, who has given blanket permission to MOD his tables, and, therefore, ALL subsequent MODs are FREE TO MOD. I point this out numerous times in the guidelines and the following discussions.

 

I shouldn't have to deal with people ganging up on a member after the fact. If you have a problem with someone, or something, HIT ME UP. Don't go ranting on the board and pissing everyone off. Just piss me off. That's what I'm here for.

 

Thank you.

This thread brings up some need for clarification on the rules.

 

"If you'd like to MOD another author's work, please contact them. It's the right thing to do. If, after 30 days, you receive no response, you are free to MOD it."

So is this entirely optional on tables that are free to MOD initially?  And if not, how will it be determined/enforced?  You said "I strongly believe contact should be made in every instance" but is that just your opinion as a person, not a moderator?

 

Also, what is the determination for "We also don't need 50 versions of the same table! To be approved, there must be MAJOR changes made from the original" and who gets to make that judgement?

 

"Credit to all previous authors is always required."  If there's evidence that credit to an author was scrubbed from a file, how does one go about reporting it?  (Bigus1 removed credit to Thalamus from Centaur, just to get to the point)

 

 

Hi Wylte,

 

To clarify ...

 

No, express permission is not required when modding an already free-to-MOD table..

 

No, express permission is not required when modding a table released after April 1st of 2022, and 60 days, BUT it sure would be nice (and, again, the right thing to do). Kinda hard to reach out to anyone who's attacked you repeatedly and aggressively, so scenarios we are witnessing right now are not healthy, imo.

 

In regards to the above ... I would love to see more of the ... "Hey, I'd really like to MOD your table. Is there anything you weren't entirely happy with or you'd like to see it improved?"

 

No one should EVER be removed or omitted. That IS wrong, but ... I have no idea what you're talking about, because no one brought it to my attention. I can't speak further on it, but I would like to know the details ... in PM, please.

 

You kinda missed a spot ... We also don't need 50 versions of the same table! To be approved, there must be MAJOR changes made from the original. This can only be determined if the original author has shared their work here. If the original isn't shared here, there's no way for me to know what's been changed, and it will be approved. I'm not going on a hunt to find the original, and I'm certainly not visiting unethical sites just for that purpose. Credit to all previous authors is always required.

 

@ Everyone - I'm having a hard time not calling out what I think is bullshit. I don't want to piss anyone off, yet it seems to come too easy for too many in what's supposed to be a sharing community hobby. Egos should be left at the door here. Anyone who comes here only to attack other members, please let me know that's your intent, and I can queue you up for moderation in the future.

[Wylte]

 

 

Hi everyone!

 

First, let me say that I feel it's not bigus being disrespectful here. I see a LONG list of contributors to this table, and it's a helluva lot better than most releases I see in that aspect. Literally everyone he knows about is listed.

 

I must also point out this table is a derivative of JP's table, who has given blanket permission to MOD his tables, and, therefore, ALL subsequent MODs are FREE TO MOD. I point this out numerous times in the guidelines and the following discussions.

 

I shouldn't have to deal with people ganging up on a member after the fact. If you have a problem with someone, or something, HIT ME UP. Don't go ranting on the board and pissing everyone off. Just piss me off. That's what I'm here for.

 

Thank you.

This thread brings up some need for clarification on the rules.

 

"If you'd like to MOD another author's work, please contact them. It's the right thing to do. If, after 30 days, you receive no response, you are free to MOD it."

So is this entirely optional on tables that are free to MOD initially?  And if not, how will it be determined/enforced?  You said "I strongly believe contact should be made in every instance" but is that just your opinion as a person, not a moderator?

 

Also, what is the determination for "We also don't need 50 versions of the same table! To be approved, there must be MAJOR changes made from the original" and who gets to make that judgement?

 

"Credit to all previous authors is always required."  If there's evidence that credit to an author was scrubbed from a file, how does one go about reporting it?  (Bigus1 removed credit to Thalamus from Centaur, just to get to the point)

 

 

You kinda missed a spot ... We also don't need 50 versions of the same table! To be approved, there must be MAJOR changes made from the original. This can only be determined if the original author has shared their work here. If the original isn't shared here, there's no way for me to know what's been changed, and it will be approved. I'm not going on a hunt to find the original, and I'm certainly not visiting unethical sites just for that purpose.

I know about that part; I was asking about files modded from here.  I guess it could be drawn from
"there's no way for me to know what's been changed, and it will be approved"

that the answer is that you are the one making the judgement, before approval?

[Noah Fentz]

 

 

 

Hi everyone!

 

First, let me say that I feel it's not bigus being disrespectful here. I see a LONG list of contributors to this table, and it's a helluva lot better than most releases I see in that aspect. Literally everyone he knows about is listed.

 

I must also point out this table is a derivative of JP's table, who has given blanket permission to MOD his tables, and, therefore, ALL subsequent MODs are FREE TO MOD. I point this out numerous times in the guidelines and the following discussions.

 

I shouldn't have to deal with people ganging up on a member after the fact. If you have a problem with someone, or something, HIT ME UP. Don't go ranting on the board and pissing everyone off. Just piss me off. That's what I'm here for.

 

Thank you.

This thread brings up some need for clarification on the rules.

 

"If you'd like to MOD another author's work, please contact them. It's the right thing to do. If, after 30 days, you receive no response, you are free to MOD it."

So is this entirely optional on tables that are free to MOD initially?  And if not, how will it be determined/enforced?  You said "I strongly believe contact should be made in every instance" but is that just your opinion as a person, not a moderator?

 

Also, what is the determination for "We also don't need 50 versions of the same table! To be approved, there must be MAJOR changes made from the original" and who gets to make that judgement?

 

"Credit to all previous authors is always required."  If there's evidence that credit to an author was scrubbed from a file, how does one go about reporting it?  (Bigus1 removed credit to Thalamus from Centaur, just to get to the point)

 

 

You kinda missed a spot ... We also don't need 50 versions of the same table! To be approved, there must be MAJOR changes made from the original. This can only be determined if the original author has shared their work here. If the original isn't shared here, there's no way for me to know what's been changed, and it will be approved. I'm not going on a hunt to find the original, and I'm certainly not visiting unethical sites just for that purpose.

I know about that part; I was asking about files modded from here.  I guess it could be drawn from
"there's no way for me to know what's been changed, and it will be approved"

that the answer is that you are the one making the judgement, before approval?

 

 

"there's no way for me, or ANY staff member approving files, to know what's been changed, and it will be approved"

 

Fixed.

[Noah Fentz]

This only makes me laugh again! Thank you bogus, for another table with your name on it. You say you changed the physics on tables, then people react on it that it plays nice. Then you say that you barely changed it on this table(be honest, you didn't do anything). trying to upscale an image with this kind of minor changes is not even a MOD.

I so agree on wrd1972. How much times it take to build things and that people like you just put your name on other people work it's disgusting and a big disappointment to the hobby.

You say you are so good with lightning, i said to you before, help me out and i reupload it and thank you under the release. But you only steeling somebody's work and put your name on it.

Because of your drama and no protection on the files I don't update my files here anymore. It's a hobby so it has to be fun. Your reactions to others only makes people leave this site. I rather spend my time where it is fun!

Then you can ask why i even bother to react? It's because of people who are getting pissed of by you, maybe thats your drive, or that is the person who you are.

Don't get me wrong I love to help people out and talk to JP and other members here, because i have a great respect for these guys. I'm grateful for this site and the people that are serious.

Now that I have a moment, I'd like to offer a reply to some posts ...

You don't update your files here, because of bigus? So, it's okay to be disrespectful to me to make a point?

Yeah, that's not at all a productive way to resolve an issue, and it's totally offensive to me. Passive aggressiveness always is, and that's the bigger problem here. Not giving back shuts down my give a shit almost instantly.

If there's a problem, bring it to me, discuss it like a genuine person, and it'll be fairly resolved. It's that simple.

Also note: a lot of this apparent history you all have with each other didn't happen here, so don't assume I know what went on elsewhere. I don't.

My quoting of your post addresses many people posting, so, please, don't take this post as a direct callout. It fits in many instances both past and present.

My PM box is open to anyone who would like to actually discuss this. My number is at the top of the page, as well. Let's have an adult conversation, shall we? This, whatever it is, just isn't going to accomplish anything but more animosity.